I cannot call complex having two word documents open side by side....
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I cannot call complex having two word documents open side by side....
I wouldn't bother - some on here have decided that anything outside their requirements is 'legacy' and would rather the iPad not be improved at all because its already fine for their usage.
I agree with your second part, iOS needs work so simple things do not require jumping through hoops. Many uni students for example will write essays where you're looking at multiple source documents - easy to do on a Mac, on an iPad very hard. When I was at uni, I would always have my referencing guide open, then a website or two of information, and my document - the iPad can't even hold two word documents open without opening one in Pages. There is a point that simplicity makes things more complex.
But you said Gustave must be doing very simple work, suggesting his work must not be complex.
Again, my point is, simple doesn't equal not real.
I use MS Office apps (mostly Word and Excel) for my business and I've been using them exclusively on the iPad Pro for the past 6 months mostly with no issues.
I will admit that on rare occasion there is something that requires an inconvenient workaround, but for 99% of my uses, it is fine.
As for opening files and saving them to the cloud, the MS Office apps are very much built around OneDrive. The same Office 365 subscription that allows me to use the MS Office apps also gives me 1 TB of space on OneDrive, so I do store my files there, and it all works very well together.
As for the issue of opening multiple files inside of an app such as Word, that is something that Microsoft would have to build into their app. Even on a PC, there is no such thing as opening multiple instances of the same app. There is one instance of Word open and multiple files can be opened inside of that one instance. Yes, they have built that capability into their PC and Mac apps, but have not built it into their iPad app. That is something that app makers have to do, not something for Apple to do.
If you think there are actually multiple instances of the same app open on your PC/Mac, then try force quitting one instance while leaving the others open and you will see that it cannot be done. Furthermore, try opening multiple instances of your web browser and login to the Macrumors forum on one instance but not on the other instance. You will see that once you login on one instance when you refresh the other instance it too will be logged in. That is because there is only one instance of your web browser open with multiple windows.
Do you have Skype on your Mac or PC? Try opening multiple instances of Skype and log into a different account on each. Again, cannot be done. There is no such thing as multiple instances of an app. It is multiple windows within the same app, and the same can be done on an iPad if the app maker makes it that way, as we can see with Safari in iOS10.
While I agree that some types of work require multiple documents to be open at once, I wouldn't attempt that type of work unless I had a big monitor. I find this difficult to do even on 13 inch notebooks. The biggest iPad is 12.9, and the more popular model is the 9.7. I kind of think that two documents open at once is about as much as these screen sizes can handle. We now have split screen in Safari, so perhaps we'll see it in Word soon enough.
Not quite cloud storage to external drive but NAS from Synology, QNAP, WD, etc have built-in support for Dropbox et al (no iCloud, though, iirc). You could just hook up the NAS to your home router/switch and it can download/mirror files and folders from your cloud storage account. Most new NAS also have USB host and will let you do scheduled backups from NAS to external drive or even to a PC or another NAS if you want your files to be extra protected.
I did it for 2.5 years of uni (currently not at uni) fine on a 13 inch MacBook pro. I can easily have three windows open + very quickly manoeuvre between them.
Saying the only 'real work' is using Microsoft office is a very narrow view of the world!! In fact most people don't need to use those apps on a Daily basis. There are plenty who use PDF forms etc. Also fully capable on iPad. If your only concern is MIcrosoft office then get a surface and be happy. Don't stay here saying everyone else don't do 'real work' because their entire work life doesn't revolve around MS office!
"Real work" as opposed to what? Fake work? Almost work?
Anything used to get a job done is real enough for me.
Anything used to get a job done is real enough for me.
Share sheets are simple enough to understand and use. Share > pick what to share to > no step 3.
To save on a traditional computer you have to press Command-S > navigate save dialog > select folder > name file > click Save button. So many hoops!
You made saving a file on a traditional computer sound so much more complicated than it actually is.Share sheets are simple enough to understand and use. Share > pick what to share to > no step 3.
To save on a traditional computer you have to press Command-S > navigate save dialog > select folder > name file > click Save button. So many hoops!
But that's exactly how people are making saving something to either external storage or cloud storage on the iPad lol. How hard is it to select file, share, send to iCloud (or gdrive etc) select folder... it is not any more difficult on iPad. It's just a different path to the same ends.
Read back to my post where I linked a bunch of options. Their apps state that any content including documents, photos, music, videos, PDF, even things like garage band files, voice recordings, etc pretty much any file type. It's as easy as file share and select the app that is for the brand drive you have and then the file will open in that app and you can save it anywhere on the drive from there.
I wish, but there's no full adobe photoshop, lightroom, premiere package - you can't compare it to the desktop version.
The same with a few other tasks, such as swift development. Having a setup with multiple monitors, documentation open, while having test machines connected, emulator running, and debugging tools, CLI to web server, etc .. all in an overview, virtual spaces and your code still in front of you ..
the iPads are amazing, and they take the load off a lot, especially on the road. But they're tools until you end up behind your desktop and do the beast-work-stuff.
The same with a few other tasks, such as swift development. Having a setup with multiple monitors, documentation open, while having test machines connected, emulator running, and debugging tools, CLI to web server, etc .. all in an overview, virtual spaces and your code still in front of you ..
the iPads are amazing, and they take the load off a lot, especially on the road. But they're tools until you end up behind your desktop and do the beast-work-stuff.
There is unless you just want to save to the default location (in which case, you can skip the select folder step on traditional PCs so it just saves everything to Home or My Documents. Also, you still do need to name the file although that's likely done before you do share.
Besides, my point wasn't that it's easier on a traditional PC. It's that Excel for iOS handles it more elegantly with its native support for cloud storage.
I detest office for iOS for precisely the same reasons you listed. They don't support the standard iOS share sheet, and microsoft opted to integrate Onedrive instead of supporting iCloud drive (and opening from dropbox is a step backwards because I have to open the file from the dropbox folder instead of directly from the app itself).
Incorrect. I just tried it and it works as needed. I opened 3 instances of excel on my windows 7 laptop. I have 3 separate windows open and in task manager i have 3 excel.exe files. I end process on one and remaining 2 are still open and working.
Same goes for IE. Multiple iexplorer.exe processes are running each one independant of each other. Its true they share same cookies and such so your logged in session will carry over if needed. I haven't tested logging into different services.
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I've read a lot on these forums but this post takes the cake in facepalmness factor
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You just inadvertently proved Kostas point
None of these apps were developed using ipad. All of these were developed on outdated legacy desktops
Also don't forget that in all of these apps ipad is treated as a dumb gui terminal used to interact with the end users. Backend is where everything is happening. Backend runs in the cloud on many many "legacy" servers (we established the fact the anything that is not an ipad is legacy). That is where all processing is done and database storage is done. Nothing is processed or stored on the ipad itself.
I also have an example of lunacy that users have to deal with to work around Apple's restrictions.
Our company started deploying vdi desktops to its users so that they can work remotely and from any devices. Its running on citrix. Few users got ipad pro to test out. One biggest limitation that came up is using bluetooth mouse. Impossible. So citrix had to devise a workaround by creating a mouse that only works in its receiver. Since its a very specialized mouse, its cost is $60 and its sole purpose is to work inside the receiver. If apple allowed mouse usage inside IOS then any bluetooth mouse would work perfectly fine in receiver software. And good luck using your fingers to click around vdi. Its not pretty. But of course it is legacy
Yes, I realize that I can use the share option to move a file to the drive app, but what happens when I want to backup the entire contents of my OneDrive, which would be hundreds of files? Doing it this way would take a week! LOL
There is another option I have found, which is to subscribe to one of these "cloud to cloud" backup services, so they would automatically backup my OneDrive contents daily and archive it for me. I found several such services on google, but I have to find out how much it costs.
What do you mean by not opening directly from the app itself? I have my Dropbox account linked to Excel for iOS and I can open spreadsheets directly from within Excel. Since I use Windows PCs primarily, this is convenient for me since I don't need to keep track of multiple versions of files (e.g. is the exported/shared file the latest version?). Whatever changes I make to files on Dropbox with Excel for iOS get propagated to all the other computers I use.
But yes, they definitely need to add native iCloud support for folks using Macs.
Again, you can get a NAS with built-in support for cloud storage that will do this for you so you at least have a complete local copy in case your internet goes down or something. You can manage the NAS from the iPad but you certainly don't need to copy stuff one by one. The NAS software should do all the heavy lifting.
There is some confusion here. Let me put it differently.
Having two word documents open side by side and edit them simultaneously IS SIMPLE, IS REAL WORK, but it is NOT WITHIN current iOS capabilities
Ok, write Microsoft and request this feature.
I have a surface but I don't like windows.
I write about the limitations of iOS and I suggest improvements. Why is this bothering you?
"In fact most people don't need to use those apps on a Daily basis." : we obviously disagree here.
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the last time I checked iOS is Apple
software, not Microsoft
the last time I checked iOS is Apple
You want two Word documents open side by side. Sounds like an app feature to me, not an OS level feature.
Real work!!!
I am the GM for a 20 year old company with 14 employees, I work solely on iPad Air 2 and iPhone 6 I think the work I do is real.
I am the GM for a 20 year old company with 14 employees, I work solely on iPad Air 2 and iPhone 6 I think the work I do is real.