Other Apple Banning

[svenmany]

I was specifically challenging your statement that OP did nothing criminal. That's ALL my quote was about.

OP committed fraud. OP made an inaccurate statement in order to benefit from it.

Whatever Apple's response was then, now or in the future, and how far it could have or would have gone doesn't change that.

They definitely committed fraud. I personally wouldn't advertise such repeated behavior. Certainly, if the seller had been some small business and they had learned of this deception, this probably would have ended up in small claims court. But, I don't know if the behavior is criminal. Any lawyers reading this?

I definitely was surprised to read such a blatant admission in an opening post of a thread.

 

[eyoungren]

They definitely committed fraud. I personally wouldn't advertise such repeated behavior. Certainly, if the seller had been some small business and they had learned of this deception, this probably would have ended up in small claims court. But, I don't know if the behavior is criminal. Any lawyers reading this?

I definitely was surprised to read such a blatant admission in an opening post of a thread.

OK, I'm not a lawyer. But making false claims in order to profit or benefit is a criminal act. What we are now debating is the fine point, which is to what degree.

OP was highly unlikely to have anything happen to them legally. No sane prosecutor would pursue anything like this except if Apple were truly pushing for it. But if OP had misrepresented himself to an insurance company over the matter of a luxury vehicle or a large home that'd be a different matter entirely.

But it's still the same thing - just unproven in a court. It's only us humans that apply degrees of culpability.

 

[Arctic Moose]

Apple would’ve found out about that back then, or even discovered it now could I have gotten in trouble with them? Trouble meaning banned from Apple products or blacklisted from their services (is that even a thing?), etc.

Check out this thread:

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/apple-online-store-ban.2302962/

 

[Bug-Creator]

Let's say OP was doing this with a carrier insurance plan rather than an extended warranty (which is Applecare).

Applecare is an insurance regardless of how it is named.

If Apple found a costumer to be a bad apple they could (and will) stop selling both Applecare and HW (directly ) to him.
Apple has no (legal) obligation to offer you the normal warranty (directly) if you bought from a 3rd party.

Pretty much similar with certain UTubers being banned form the AppleStore for buying every version of a new product only to send them back after a few days.

 

[eyoungren]

Applecare is an insurance regardless of how it is named.

If Apple found a costumer to be a bad apple they could (and will) stop selling both Applecare and HW (directly ) to him.
Apple has no (legal) obligation to offer you the normal warranty (directly) if you bought from a 3rd party.

Pretty much similar with certain UTubers being banned form the AppleStore for buying every version of a new product only to send them back after a few days.

Oh, I agree. It's just that AC is often referred to as 'extended warranty' so I was trying to make it relatable. I was unaware it's actually insurance though, so thanks.

There are those who don't see warranty fraud as anything wrong, but call it insurance fraud and it's a different outlook on their part. But whatever you want to call it, it's still what it is.