Apple blew chance at getting Kinect technology

[roadbloc]

Is this seriously the best you can do?

Sometimes I think that about your posts. But I don't say anything. I just find it amazing how you're always willing and eager to attack Microsoft for their mistakes, but you refuse to accept that Apple can, at times make mistakes.

Allow me to list Apple's mistakes that I can think off the top of my head that have happened so far this year:

• Antenna Issues on iPhone 4
• iPhoto 11 deletes photo collection on update from iPhoto 09
• iOS daylight saving time bug
• White iPhone failure

I think this list proves that Apple are not testing their products as efficiently as they did before. The iPhone 4 antenna problems is a BIG one, a very sloppy hardware mistake and very disappointing from a company that is supposed to be top notch hardware.

So go ahead and post all your statistics showing the amount of sales compared to complaints and blah blah blah. My point is that these problems actually occurred and were (and still are) failures on Apple's behalf.

Now, for all you know, Apple may be kicking themselves for loosing this technology. And for all you know, Microsoft may be pretty cool about their position in the tablet world. But for all you know it could be the total other way round. You cannot claim to know what Apple is thinking.

 

[*LTD*]

Sometimes I think that about your posts. But I don't say anything. I just find it amazing how you're always willing and eager to attack Microsoft for their mistakes, but you refuse to accept that Apple can, at times make mistakes.

Allow me to list Apple's mistakes that I can think off the top of my head that have happened so far this year:

• Antenna Issues on iPhone 4
• iPhoto 11 deletes photo collection on update from iPhoto 09
• iOS daylight saving time bug
• White iPhone failure

If that's the best you can do, Apple is doing better than anyone thought.

First point: non-existent. There aren't any antenna issues. Never were.
Second point: I agree with this. It was a major problem.
Third point: Minor. A true "so what", luxury problem. It was an inconvenience, at most.
Fourth point: It never existed. Apple went on to sell over 14 million non-white iPhones last quarter. The best smartphone with the best OS. In black. Hardly a problem.

Save for the iPhoto bug (how prevalent was that??), this is all mickey mouse stuff.

The competition can only wish it could lay claim to Apple's "mistakes." But they've got a helluva lot more to worry about, namely: Apple.

 

[maflynn]

Is this seriously the best you can do?

What best

I'm pointing out the plain and simple fact that apple tried and failed to get admob. You're taking it to a new high level, like the failure of apple is a personal error.

So what. iAd is about to go global. Apple mobile profit will be right up there with Google's in only a matter of months. The whole AdMob issue no longer matters, and considering what Apple is about to achieve in mobile profits it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

It seemed to matter to apple as they openly courted (and low balled) admob.

Find something that's actually significant.

I did, the failure to get Kinect Seriously, you highlight apple's accomplishments but sweep their failures under the rug. Apple is not perfect, they're not a religion, they're a multibillion dollar international corporation, whose sole purpose is to make a profit for their stock holders, not some religion to hoist up on a pedestal to worship.

 

[*LTD*]

I did, the failure to get Kinect

Looks like they didn't really care about it.

Unfortunately, Kinect isn't going to help Microsoft sell Windows Phone 2007 or get a viable tablet to market, the latter of which Uncle Fester really cares about apparently.

Judging by Apple's roadmap and their blistering pace of development in key growth industries, they've likely got something better planned.

 

[maflynn]

Looks like they didn't really care about it.

That's a leap of faith. Losing does not equate to not caring about it. To be blunt that's sour grapes. There'e really not too many people that say that apple lost the admob deal because they really didn't want it.

Unfortunately, Kinect isn't going to help Microsoft sell Windows Phone 2007 or get a viable tablet to market, the latter of which Uncle Fester really cares about apparently.

Right now, no. Given what I've been reading, its HUGELY popular for the xbox, and MS must be happy with how fast its selling. Who knows what other products they may add it into. As it stands MS is more of a software company, so there's few other products MS currently has that could benefit. That's not to say they won't develop a new product, just there's nothing right now, other then the xbox.

Judging by Apple's roadmap and their blistering pace of development in key growth industries, they've likely got something better planned.

I'd not say say apple has a blistering development pace. Just look at the pedestrian pace of OSX, Aperture, Logic, Final Cut Pro, iLife, iWork have experienced. Updates are few and far between. If Apple had updated Aperture faster then once every other year they may have kept ahead of Adobe, as it stands LightRoom has become the defacto standard for professional photographers.

 

[roadbloc]

First point: non-existent. There aren't any antenna issues. Never were.

Rubbish. I have had the problem if I hold my iPhone on the antenna hotspots. And if there were no problems what was with the 'It's Getting Hot In Here' sticky thread that was in every forum topic? You know, the one requesting less abuse about the iPhone 4. And why did Apple even acknowledge the problem if there was no problem?

Jeez... and as for the white iPhone... It did exist. On the website at least. For a while. I guess white plastic is hard to get. Why don't you look at the MacRumours thread that announces the removal of the white iphone 4 on the apple website and count the number of disappointed customers?

 

[lsvtecjohn3]

Thy paid less and they got less. The real jewel was AdMob, they themselves admit they let the deal slip through their fingers.

So what they paid less and got less. Apple save 475 million dollars and there profit going to be just as much as Google by the end of next month, sounds like a smart move to me. Keep thinking Apple screwed that deal up.

 

[chrono1081]

No need to try, AdMob was the crown jewel, plain and simple. It sad that you cannot accept the fact that apple blew it, and arrogantly assumed that AbMob would be there, when google, flush with cash swooped in.

Even Jobs admitted that they tried to buy admob and failed.

Keep drinking that koolaid

I think you should double check who is drinking what kool-aid. You come down on LTD for liking Apple but all you do is insult Apple. How is your kool-aid any different than his?

Sadly most of mac rumors are not Mac fans anymore. The constant apple bashing for every little thing around here is getting annoying. "oh no Apple didn't get kinect technology" who cares?

 

[maflynn]

Sadly most of mac rumors are not Mac fans anymore. The constant apple bashing for every little thing around here is getting annoying. "oh no Apple didn't get kinect technology" who cares?

Well given this thread a number of people posting, it seems people do care. If you don't care, then you're free not to post. This forum is for discussions for "Apple, Industry and Internet Discussion" That's what I am doing.

 

[roadbloc]

Sadly most of mac rumors are not Mac fans anymore. The constant apple bashing for every little thing around here is getting annoying. "oh no Apple didn't get kinect technology" who cares?

I like Apple. I prefer their products over any other tech companies products. This doesn't mean Apple are perfect and I bow at the altar of SJ like some of the posters here do. The topic in hand is worth discussing over, just to wonder on what Apple even wanted to do with Kinect technology.

But when genuinely good threads like this get invaded by fanboys, who see this as an attack on their beloved Apple and fire away with the defensive posts filled with 'record sales figures', excuses and sometimes just plain guesses on what is going to happen in the future or plain guesses on what Apple was thinking at the time; it annoys me, as they have missed the point of the thread due to their blind devotion.

Just....

 

[Mike225]

I like Apple. I prefer their products over any other tech companies products. This doesn't mean Apple are perfect and I bow at the altar of SJ like some of the posters here do. The topic in hand is worth discussing over, just to wonder on what Apple even wanted to do with Kinect technology.

But when genuinely good threads like this get invaded by fanboys, who see this as an attack on their beloved Apple and fire away with the defensive posts filled with 'record sales figures', excuses and sometimes just plain guesses on what is going to happen in the future or plain guesses on what Apple was thinking at the time; it annoys me, as they have missed the point of the thread due to their blind devotion.

Just....

I thought you were chrono for a second, due to your orange avatar, and was like "WTF? Since when could you think for yourself?"

 

[lsvtecjohn3]

Guess Apple didn't need that Kinect technology after all...



http://www.9to5mac.com/47044/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ios-4-3

 

[Liquorpuki]

Guess Apple didn't need that Kinect technology after all...



http://www.9to5mac.com/47044/everything-you-need-to-know-about-ios-4-3

What does that have to do with anything

 

[Abyssgh0st]

What would Apple even do with Kinect? It's neat for hacking (not even gaming, it's intended purpose) and we all know Apple isn't a huge fan of that.

 

[LethalWolfe]

What would Apple even do with Kinect?

A 'touchless' touch screen style interface for the TV maybe? Imagine playing iOS games, Angry Birds for example, on your TV.


Lethal

 

[lsvtecjohn3]

What does that have to do with anything

Well the title of this thread says "Apple blew chance at getting Kinect technology" Apple put Multi-touch gesture in iOS 4.3. So how did Apple blow it again?

 

[Liquorpuki]

Well the title of this thread says "Apple blew chance at getting Kinect technology" Apple put Multi-touch gesture in iOS 4.3. So how did Apple blow it again?

A Kinect is not multi-touch technology

 

[lsvtecjohn3]

A Kinect is not multi-touch technology

gestures iOS 4.3 has gestures now

 

[belvdr]

gestures iOS 4.3 has gestures now

Not via camera. You're still touching the device.

 

[Dr McKay]

It's not just the physical Kinect they lost out on, it's all the technologies behind it, the advanced facial recognition, the fact Kinect can learn who you are, and can even distinguish peoples clothes, as well as the 3D depth sensing etc.

I'd actually read an article a while back saying that the reason Apple didnt get it, is because while they were on the board of companies investing in the technology, it said that Apple tried to have it all 'their way', and when the other companies said 'No'. They walked out.

 

[*LTD*]

What would Apple even do with Kinect? It's neat for hacking (not even gaming, it's intended purpose) and we all know Apple isn't a huge fan of that.

There's no reason to worry. Apple probably has a patent for something like that, and if they ever do release similar tech it'll a) be done right and b) be lauded as the first usable form of tech in that area. Kinect will them be viewed as a bungling research project.

Think of smartphones *before* the iPhone. It's as if they didn't even exist. given what the iPhone brought to the table, they never really did.

I feel sorry for MS, having to retreat into gaming and trying to grow technologies from there that might be useful *someday*, when Apple is leading all the markets that matter with great tech in everyone's hands *today.* MS fans (do they actually have any?) are always left *waiting* for something, only to be let down.

 

[Liquorpuki]

There's no reason to worry. Apple probably has a patent for something like that, and if they ever do release similar tech it'll a) be done right and b) be lauded as the first usable form of tech in that area. Kinect will them be viewed as a bungling research project.

The Kinect works pretty well from my experience. And yeah, based on their existing product line I have no clue what Apple would do with an IR peripheral that requires a 6 foot gap to use. Maybe control Apple TV but that's pretty lame.

Think of smartphones *before* the iPhone. It's as if they didn't even exist. given what the iPhone brought to the table, they never really did.

I can remember the Blackberry, the Treo, the Communicator, and other flagship smartphones. Just because the iPhone is the most popular smartphone NOW doesn't erase history.

I feel sorry for MS, having to retreat into gaming and trying to grow technologies from there that might be useful *someday*, when Apple is leading all the markets that matter with great tech in everyone's hands *today.* MS fans (do they actually have any?) are always left *waiting* for something, only to be let down.

I agree that MS is a mess of a company but with the Kinect, they've done something good. There is now a general interest in motion control where a year ago there wasn't. And this is how markets are created.

 

[LethalWolfe]

There's no reason to worry. Apple probably has a patent for something like that...

LOL. You never cease to amaze me.

Think of smartphones *before* the iPhone. It's as if they didn't even exist. given what the iPhone brought to the table, they never really did.

They only didn't exist in the minds of Apple fanatics. For the people that live in reality smartphones existed for years before the iPhone (ya know, during the time Jobs kept saying Apple wasn't going to get into the phone market). What Apple did different was create a smartphone squarely aimed at consumers and not business people.

I feel sorry for MS, having to retreat into gaming and trying to grow technologies from there that might be useful *someday*, when Apple is leading all the markets that matter with great tech in everyone's hands *today.*

Of course MS "retreats" into gaming but Apple "takes over" gaming. LOL

Look at Apple now. Today they own mobile gaming, among other things. Not a bad trade-off.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-27076_3-20000214-248.html

How Epic fit the Unreal Engine into Apple’s iPhone

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10465246-52.html

At GDC, iPhone game development breaks out

I'm sure you are right though that other companies will continue plow ahead into uncharted territory while Apple hangs back and cherry pick the fruit's of others labor.

Maybe control Apple TV but that's pretty lame.

Controlling iOS games on your TV would be fun though.


Lethal

 

[Slix]

I think Kinect would have only worked for them if Apple did it right. I really don't like not having at least something to touch while gaming. It takes the sureness out of it, for me at least.

 

[n8mac]

I agree that MS is a mess of a company but with the Kinect, they've done something good. There is now a general interest in motion control where a year ago there wasn't. And this is how markets are created.

Well lets see...
1. The Wii has motion control.
2. The Wii is very popular.
3. The Wii has been out since 2006.

So what you said makes no sense.