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i think cutting off dependencies on ms is a great idea. i say, it's about time.

i despise ie for many reasons, the greatest of which is standard compliance or the lack thereof. for some reason, ms sees nothing wrong with adding their own little tweaks to existing technologies, or changing them just enough to be able to call them their own.a prime example of this is "JScript" used back in ie4, which is an obvious ripoff of "JavaScript". see the resemblance? boy, we sure don't know where you got that idea from. the differences are slight, but significant enough to necessitate writing a second version of nearly all scripting. otherwise ie users will complain about things not working, oblivious to the real reason behind it. i go along with it only because their browser is so widely used, and the alternative limits accessibility. i also see this tactic at work in css to some degree, and it sickens me.

a "call to arms" if you will, for any and all web developers/designers who may read this - stay current on coding standards and use them. validators can be found on the left side of this page. also, some literature.

chimera would be an excellent choice of browser for apple to adopt. it's completely osx native which makes it speedier than most others, with the possible exception of icab or opera. having branched from the mozilla project, which complies with standards more extensively than any other i've encountered - almost too much in some instances that i won't elaborate on just now, it would surely set apple in the right direction.

as for ms office, i have no use for it. actually, i try to boycott it wherever possible. there have been rumors on mosr about an impending major appleworks update, a large concern of which is supposedly office compatibility. does this not eliminate the need for ms support of the apple platform? if this pulls through, one of the biggest attractions of switchers will still be there, but will no longer involve ms directly or their notoriously shoddy interface design. good riddance.

personally, if i want to distribute any kind of documentation or paperwork via computer, my first choices are rich text and pdf. both widely used and supported, dare i say more so than word documents. and imo pdf is the way to go for anything intended for print on the receiving end for its accuracy and font inclusion. i would like to point out that anything that can be printed using a standard osx print dialog can be saved in this format.

i'll freely admit my bias against ms and their products. but i would hope this makes quite the convincing argument for the ms dependent. thus ends my rant.
 
In my opinion, I think either we will get an apple browser with 10.3, or they will release it for download at random sometime in mid-2003 to early 2004. What do we call it? iBrowse? Eyebrowse?
 
Possible names:
iBrowse
iSurf
iWeb
iBrow (hehe, that was a joke by the way)
Browser (going along with the whole 'mail' thing)
Navigator (or a synonym of browser, would go along with 'mail')
iNet
Mac OS X browser (if apple goes for a generic titling scheme)

I think iSurf would be the best. Either iSurf or Mac OS X browser.
I think a browser from apple would be really cool.

Many people are arguing whetherit should be brushed metal or
regular, or something strange/different. I think it should have
skin support. And although apple has never really gotten into
the whole skins thing, I think an apple browser would be a good
place to start.
 
We ............ need ............ MS

There happy, said it. </tears>

IE and Office make the mac feel more, recognisable, to the computer users of the world.

Mac people are not users. we enjoy our computers.
 
No metal

Apple own's interface guidelines means the browser will not be in metal.

Metal look is only to be used to virtual devices that represent real world objects. Like the calulator, iSync, Calendar, etc.

Since there is no real-world equivalent to a browser, I'm totally certain it'll use the traditional non-metal, Aqua look.
 
How about naming it "Nexus Browser" Nexus essentially means the center, and that pretty much describes the net today. "Apple Nexus Browser" has a nice ring to it. Oh, and the browser Must support tabs (suprised M$ still hasn't ripped this off and put it in IE)

Apple PDA: iNote
Next iApp: iVideo or iCapture or something... (organizes current videos on your Hard Drive, records mp4 videos like tivo, allows playback, syncs with your iPod so ypu can watch music videos on it (color lcd required on iPod)

Just some random thoughts.

- backdraft
 
Its coming

i hope that apple release their own browser, ie sucks. They recently signed up the chimera creator, this is a good indication of where apple wants to go.
M$ won't pull office from apple, it has a team in M$ working on apple products so they aren't just gonna sack everyone because the browser isnt used anymore. Maybe if apple bundled both then everyone would be happy, people who want to use M$ can use ie, and the people who want to browse quickly and with a good browser can use the apple browser.
 
Apple own's interface guidelines means the browser will not be in metal.

Metal look is only to be used to virtual devices that represent real world objects. Like the calulator, iSync, Calendar, etc.

What real-world object does iChat represent?

Thank god for Unsanity's (De)Metallifizer. I hate the brushed metal look. I just wish the haxie worked for Carbon stuff like iTunes.
 
Originally posted by Somebody

What real-world object does iChat represent?

Think of when you were in school, you used to pass note to people. Little things scribbled on paper. Well, iChat and Rendevous allow you to replicate this sort of adhoc connection and send little notes without the teacher knowing.
 
Love my slow IE

Say what you will, but I love my IE 5.2


reason 1: all the toolbars are collapsable. the only toolbar i have showing is the status bar. I hate having a quarter of my TiBook screen devoted to toolbars. Netscape blows! The toolbars can be collapse, but it still takes up space (useless design). Opera and Chimera are no better.

Yes, it may be slow loading pages sometimes, but it kicks butt.

If Apple comes out with a faster browser and more beautiful, but doesn't have collapsable toolbars, I'm not going to use it.
 
SPEED PLEASE

If iBrowse (?) turns out as buggy, slow and unreliable as IE, OW and the rest, or jerks the whole system around like iPhoto, iCal and the rest,forget it. I'm tired of having a 1MB cable connection behaving like a 9,600 modem, and having the means obscuring the end.:mad:
 
*tests this on Chimera and NS*

Well.. my NS isn't working right, but i believe you can go status bar only in all of them. That's what the little clear button on the top right of your title bar is for... on any window. Gets rid of the toolbars.
 
Mate, i have IE, NS7, OmniWeb and Chimera on my compmuter and have only one complaint - Hotmail only works well from IE. Otherwise i use Chimera or OW.

Chimera is fast, neat and has tabbed browsing. If you dont like tabbed browsing turn it off.
 
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