Apple built a DirectX 12 translation layer for Apple Silicon

[kiranmk2]

anybody see how the vanilla M2 performs? I'm really impressed with the Max and Ultra results, buuuuut I'm wondering if my purchase of an M2 Air was a poor one. Back when gaming wasn't really on the table, the M2 seemed fine.

I've seen Cyberpunk 2077 running at 15-20 fps on the M2. I don't think you're going to get AAA games working on an M2 via Game Porting Kit, but if developers actually use it to port games to Metal I'd imagine that a solid 30 fps is would be possible.

 

[leman]

I've seen Cyberpunk 2077 running at 15-20 fps on the M2. I don't think you're going to get AAA games working on an M2 via Game Porting Kit, but if developers actually use it to port games to Metal I'd imagine that a solid 30 fps is would be possible.

I'm fairly certain that will MetalFX and some half-decent optimisations M2 Air will run Cyberpunk at high/1080p with 40-50 FPS.

 

[TSE]

I'm fairly certain that will MetalFX and some half-decent optimisations M2 Air will run Cyberpunk at high/1080p with 40-50 FPS.

It's performance equivalent to a GTX 1650 if I'm remembering correctly?

 

[bcortens]

It's performance equivalent to a GTX 1650 if I'm remembering correctly?

I believe so, In the latest ATP John Siracusa was talking about how he doesn't think Apple's M1/M2 line are good enough for gaming which is a perspective I don't understand. Sure you can't run everything on high but the games that are supported are likely to run well enough to satisfy most people. The average PC Gamer isn't running a 4090 they're usually running something from the XX60 series or XX50 series and most of them are laptop GPUs as well.

 

[koyoot]

I believe so, In the latest ATP John Siracusa was talking about how he doesn't think Apple's M1/M2 line are good enough for gaming which is a perspective I don't understand. Sure you can't run everything on high but the games that are supported are likely to run well enough to satisfy most people. The average PC Gamer isn't running a 4090 they're usually running something from the XX60 series or XX50 series and most of them are laptop GPUs as well.

1650 performance will have integrated GPU in Meteor Lake-P architecture. Times when integrated GPUs are rubbish are over, and we are entering era of good-enough integrated GPU performance.

Apple will have to step up their game, as well.

 

[Pressure]

I believe so, In the latest ATP John Siracusa was talking about how he doesn't think Apple's M1/M2 line are good enough for gaming which is a perspective I don't understand. Sure you can't run everything on high but the games that are supported are likely to run well enough to satisfy most people. The average PC Gamer isn't running a 4090 they're usually running something from the XX60 series or XX50 series and most of them are laptop GPUs as well.

Steam shows the most used card in Windows happens to be the GeForce GTX 1650 at 6.05%.

GeForce RTX 3070	3.26%
GeForce RTX 3080	2.09%
GeForce RTX 3070 Ti	1.50%
GeForce RTX 3080 Ti	0.78%
GeForce RTX 3090	0.53%
GeForce RTX 4070 Ti	0.49%
GeForce RTX 4090	0.47%
GeForce RTX 4080	0.35%

 

[dmr727]

1650 performance will have integrated GPU in Meteor Lake-P architecture. Times when integrated GPUs are rubbish are over, and we are entering era of good-enough integrated GPU performance.

Exactly - my needs aren't crazy high. I recently replaced my 1060 with a 4070, and while it's nice to be able to run everything I play on the highest settings, the difference in quality isn't game changing. There are a couple of newer titles that prompted my purchase, but for the most part the nicest thing about the new card is that it's silent at times where my poor 1060 would be furiously spinning its fans. I never realized how nice gaming without the fan noise would be until I got to actually experience it.

If integrated gets good enough, it'd be nice to ditch the ATX PC mobo/massive GPU card paradigm and start looking at NUC-like solutions for the desktop. That's why this translation layer is so cool - if it gets good enough that I can run my favorite games at acceptable frame rates (I need 60+fps, even if I need to lower the settings), even something like a Mac Studio becomes an option.

 

[Geminiwave]

1650 equivalent is ....pretty good actually. That SHOULD run most games reasonably well. No it won't be 4k 120 with ultra settings but I'm not expecting that from a laptop at all. That's very exciting news indeed!

 

[JouniS]

I believe so, In the latest ATP John Siracusa was talking about how he doesn't think Apple's M1/M2 line are good enough for gaming which is a perspective I don't understand. Sure you can't run everything on high but the games that are supported are likely to run well enough to satisfy most people. The average PC Gamer isn't running a 4090 they're usually running something from the XX60 series or XX50 series and most of them are laptop GPUs as well.

The average gamer is using hardware they bought years ago. That's not a useful baseline for deciding what kind of hardware to buy today. Or for deciding what kind of hardware you should target with the game you are currently developing.

For those kinds of questions, you should be looking at what people are buying today. And that seems to be GPUs with performance similar to M2 Pro/Max.