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the banks are not your friend.

The credit card companies are definitely not your friend.

Shop for the best rate. Jump ship when opportunity presents itself.

Mange your budget so that your immediate cash needs keep up with inflation (money market account).

Be frugal.

Get a Roth IRA
 
Trying to figure out if it's worth it to move the savings I just started a couple months ago. Couple online banks are at 5%, but I'm sure they'll be cut soon too... New to all this.

While I agree with others saying don't have loyalty to banks, keep in mind that most people aren't moving their money from bank to bank regularly to keep up with the highest savings rate. It's generally not worth the time and effort, and those that do do it usually stop after a short period because they forget about it. Pick a bank that gives you good services and has a high rate, and keep an eye on it every six months to make sure the rate is still competitive. Otherwise, just leave it be.

Also, it's a savings account, not an account really designed to earn money. You shouldn't have much money in a savings account at all. A Roth IRA is a much better vehicle for emergency savings.
 
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Never have loyalty to any company - especially a bank. They are not loyal to you and will change policies, remove features, increase prices, or sell their business to a competitor on a whim.

This is especially true of banks and banking products. Always go with the lowest fees/highest savings rate. Most HISAs are fee-free these days anyway, so you can keep multiple accounts open and just move money into the one that gives the best return.

Companies make money by taking it away from you. Do whatever gets you the best deal, because if you don't, no company will ever do it for you.

While I agree 100% with the sentiment, I'd say that you also have to factor in the hassle & time it takes to switch & monitor accounts.

I'm not loyal to any bank, but won't be moving $ out of my Apple Savings Account to chase a few 1/10ths of a % of interest. Not out of loyalty to apple, but because the rate is close enough & the benefits of moving for that little don't outweigh the cost.

A savings account, in my mind, is there to give you access to liquid cash when you need it. You don't want to keep a ton of $ in there as you're losing $ on it over time, relative to other investment opportunities. And when you do the math on even $100,000, a 1% difference (4% to 5%) only works out to $1,000/year. At $10,000, it works out to $90/year. While that's not nothing, it is also small enough that I'm not going to waste time moving my $ around & setting up accounts to chase that. Apple is at 4.1%, I think some of the others mentioned here are 4.7%, so that 0.6% would earn $600/year, or $50/month if you had $100,000 in the account. At $10,000, it's $5/month.

But I do agree with wiki, don't ever base your savings on loyalty to any bank (or company). Find ones that work for you & when they no longer work, move on to one that does.
 
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I don’t know why this is even on MacRumors, it’s not a rumour.
FWIW, I appreciate seeing it here. I know I'll get an alert in the wallet app at some point about this, but it's easy to miss those, so it's nice to see it pointed out.
 
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Apple Card is giving junk HYSA rates so that Tim Apple and Goldman Sucks can siphon off their profits. Shameful.

While there are banks offering higher HYSA rates, I wouldn't call the Apple Card rates "junk" or "shameful." If you have an issue with the rates, blame Goldman Sachs (not "Tim Apple") as they are responsible for the bank/financial products.

Goldman Sachs' Apple Card HYSA rate is 4.10%
Goldman Sachs' Marcus HYSA rate is 4.10%
American Express HYSA rate is 4.10%
Capital One HYSA rate is 4.10%
 
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unless you live in a no income tax state you should not be using any HYSA. put the cash in a brokerage and buy 1 year treasuries at 4.20 and you pay no state tax. super liquid.

100% this. Or buy them from TreasuryDirect, and keep rolling them over.
 
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Keeping money in savings account assures that you will lose money over time to inflation, as the interest is always lower than the inflation rate. That's the price you pay for FSIC insurance. Better to keep your money in a money market fund at a brokerage like Fidelity. Higher interest rates, free checking, credit card that yields 2% cash on every purchase, and a debit card that picks up out of network fees (if the ATM you use has Mastercard or Visa decals). And over more than 50 years, Fidelity has never broken the buck, even in the worst recessions.
SPAXX doesn't even pay over 5%, we're talking nominal differences here vs HYSAs...the only way to beat inflation is to invest in the stock market, and for most people that's the S&P 500/NASDAQ.
 
Trying to figure out if it's worth it to move the savings I just started a couple months ago. Couple online banks are at 5%, but I'm sure they'll be cut soon too... New to all this.
I bet they cut soon. I have my savings at SoFi and was at 4.60% APY for a while. Then it dropped to 4.50% a few months ago (I think?) and then just dropped to 4.10%. With the fed rate cut, these banks follow
 
Never have loyalty to any company - especially a bank. They are not loyal to you and will change policies, remove features, increase prices, or sell their business to a competitor on a whim.

This is especially true of banks and banking products. Always go with the lowest fees/highest savings rate. Most HISAs are fee-free these days anyway, so you can keep multiple accounts open and just move money into the one that gives the best return.

Companies make money by taking it away from you. Do whatever gets you the best deal, because if you don't, no company will ever do it for you.
Not sure what your point is here. Apple is a company working with a bank. Apple is a company that only cares about their customers' money. Apple gives you something physical for your money but that is all the more reason to be cautious about their offers and promises. Phones and apps are addictive making it hard for most users to see true value proposition. At least banks are totally transparent about their goals...money.
 
We all know that Apple, a $3.5T company by market cap, desperately needs that 0.4% of interest.
They aren't going to lose money on the product. If the Fed lowers interest rates, they have to lower their interest rate or they will be bleeding out money.
 
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Like all banks (and this is GS not Apple) when Fed rates drop, savings interest rates fall. The only issue I have is that they reduce the savings rate much faster than they increase it. Never trust a bank to do what is in your interest.
 
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I'm curious about how these frequent rate cuts might impact the overall financial health of Apple Card users. Are there any potential long-term consequences we should be aware of?
 
I'm curious about how these frequent rate cuts might impact the overall financial health of Apple Card users. Are there any potential long-term consequences we should be aware of?
Just that you're not going to earn as much in interest as you were before they lowered it.

This is no surprise and was entirely predictable. When the Fed cuts interest rates, the banks lower interest rates to balance the scales. I imagine every other HYSA is going to follow suit, if they haven't already. Banks don't stay in business by losing money.
 
If someone really wants to earn interest on their money, wouldn't just buying bonds or CDs pay higher rates anyway? 🤔
CDs pay about what high yield savings accounts pay. High yield savings accounts are where people are supposed to put their emergency fund (up to 6 months of living expenses) for quick access.

If someone wants real returns on their money, investing in mutual funds is the place to be hands down. JP Morgan / Chase has over a 100 different types of funds where the entry is only $1,000. After that someone can just add whatever they want monthly. A couple dozen of them are up 26% this year alone. They have many more up 16% or more for the year.

Those are the returns one would want on investing, not CD or savings rates. I personally think the fed will just keep pumping up the stock market year after year until the dollar hyper inflates (which could be several years still) so probably still time to get in. Yea its risky but averaging it out over the past 100 years (even including the Great Depression and the 2008 thing), it's by far the best place to invest for high returns over time.

This post is for informational purposes only. It is not financial advice... =)
 
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This is an amazing reveal of ignorance:

-Companies, such as GS, needs to be competitive. If GS pays out more to retail depositors than it could earn from deposits with the Fed, it would go out of business. This is why all the other retail banks are lowering their rates. This is how the credit works in a market: rates are related.
No that’s not how it works. Banks can lend out deposits ten times simultaneously so at various rates they could be making up to 300% on your deposits. They are not hurting for money.

I worked on a startup for 5 years with a BofA executive on our team. So I know exactly how it works
 
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No that’s not how it works. Banks can lend out deposits ten times simultaneously so at various rates they could be making up to 300% on your deposits. They are not hurting for money.

I worked on a startup for 5 years with a BofA executive on our team. So I know exactly how it works
No thats exactly how it works.

Its simple: you need to offer a savings rate that is competitive or you wont attract deposits. And the rate you offer should be less than you earn, or its not economic.

Hurting for money has nothing to do with it. Every company is always competing for customers - basic driving force of capitalism.

What you are referring to is the reserve ratio. And its outdated — the ratio is no longer 10%, its been eliminated for 4 years.
 
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