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As a hetero, the marches don't bother me. They do no harm to me physically, socially, or financially.

I'm not sure how much they accomplish however, other than to "project" a more mainstream embrace/acceptance of LGBT. I suppose that's a victory in and of itself? Because as time goes by, more and more people will think that LGBTs being treated as equals is not such a weird idea.

Kinda like women, 120 years ago, it was considered a weird idea that women should have the right to vote. Today, the idea of female suffrage is universally accepted (in Western nations) as normal.

Equal? How is this special pie treatment everywhere equal and normal? X_x
 
Which would Apple support - #gaypride, #whitepride, or #blackpride?

Is it weird to have pride in what you are, rather than what you have achieved?
I could see Apple acknowledging Black History Month just as they acknowledge Gay Pride. There isn't a need for white pride, because straight white people are literally celebrated everywhere you look. Straight people have pride in who they are, but it's instilled before they're even conscious of it because it's reflected back at them from every direction. Minorities often have to consciously develop pride in themselves, and we gather together to celebrate each other and help to instill pride in one another because we do not see ourselves reflected in the dominant majority culture.
 
What political opinions do you feel Apple doesn't support?

It's not about what I feel. That's where you are wrong. This is fact. Tim Cook has made it totally clear.

Almost anything Trump says. Tim Cook is a strong Democrat and he forces his democrat will on Apple as whole. Whether you like or hate Trump, Tim Cook should be letting his empoloyees have the diversity of political thought, to each individually choose if they agree ro disagree with what Trump says and does. Not just write letters to all of Apple saying (basically) that Trump is a monster and everything Trump says and does is wrong.

Tim Cook should be allowing his staff at Apple to make up their own mind, not shoving democrat policy down their throats.
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straight white people are literally celebrated everywhere you look.
Where? What festivals or celebrations do white straight people have that specifically celebrate the fact they are white and straight - that are not gender biased? I don't know of any. Please let us all know so we can celebrate them too.
 
It's not about what I feel. That's where you are wrong. This is fact. Tim Cook has made it totally clear.

Almost anything Trump says. Tim Cook is a strong Democrat and he forces his democrat will on Apple as whole. Whether you like or hate Trump, Tim Cook should be letting his empoloyees have the diversity of political thought, to each individually choose if they agree ro disagree with what Trump says and does. Not just write letters to all of Apple saying (basically) that Trump is a monster and everything Trump says and does is wrong.

Tim Cook should be allowing his staff at Apple to make up their own mind, not shoving democrat policy down their throats.
I don't see Tim shoving Democrat policy down his employees' throats. He's communicating Apple's (the company) position on policy that affects their business. There's a difference between communicating the company's opinion and dictating what an individual employee's opinion is.
 
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I don't see Tim shoving Democrat policy down his employees' throats. He's communicating Apple's (the company) position on policy that affects their business. There's a difference between communicating the company's opinion and dictating what an individual employee's opinion is.
The recent letter about Trump leaving the Paris accord is proof of this. That happening does not affect Apple in any way. Apple will still make billions every quarter. The letter is Tim Cook being anti Trump like most strong democrats are.
 
Where? What festivals or celebrations do white straight people have that specifically celebrate the fact they are white and straight - that are not gender biased? I don't know of any. Please let us all know so we can celebrate them too.
Did you even read what I wrote? Festivals and celebrations for gay and racial and ethnic minorities arise out of a need for them, because we do not see ourselves reflected back from the dominant majority culture. Growing up as a straight white person in America, you have no need for festivals that celebrate your whiteness or your straightness because it's reflected back at you from any direction that you look. You see yourselves portrayed positively in television, movies, books, and the media. You have role models in every environment, literally countless people to whom you can look up to and who will inspire you because they share the same identity that you do.

We don't have that. So instead of bemoaning the fact that there are no straight, white pride parades...be thankful you don't need them.
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The recent letter about Trump leaving the Paris accord is proof of this. That happening does not affect Apple in any way. Apple will still make billions every quarter. The letter is Tim Cook being anti Trump like most strong democrats are.
The Paris Accord absolutely affects Apple, since it's entirely about the environment which Apple (the company) is in support of. The letter is Tim Cook being an environmentally conscientious corporate citizen. No where in the letter did it dictate what individual employees must do, say, or believe. He was communicating the company's position.
 
Did you even read what I wrote? Festivals and celebrations for gay and racial and ethnic minorities arise out of a need for them, because we do not see ourselves reflected back from the dominant majority culture. Growing up as a straight white person in America, you have no need for festivals that celebrate your whiteness or your straightness because it's reflected back at you from any direction that you look. You see yourselves portrayed positively in television, movies, books, and the media. You have role models in every environment, literally countless people to whom you can look up to and who will inspire you because they share the same identity that you do.

We don't have that. So instead of bemoaning the fact that there are no straight, white pride parades...be thankful you don't need them.
I read what you said. All of it actually. Saying "be thankful you don't need them" is totally missing the point of them. Celebrating one's culture is always a good thing. It's always great to be proud of your own culture or sexuality or similar. Everyone needs to be proud of who they are. So we could say everyone needs them equally.

There is never a time when this is not needed.
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The Paris Accord absolutely affects Apple, since it's entirely about the environment which Apple (the company) is in support of. The letter is Tim Cook being an environmentally conscientious corporate citizen. No where in the letter did it dictate what individual employees must do, say, or believe. He was communicating the company's position.
The US leaves an accord which is not enforcable, is not based around the science and does not provide any serious outcomes that benefit the world. The US, and Apple as part of the US is actually better off now. Leaving the Paris Accord is Trump being a environmentally conscientious citizen and a good President.

Tim Cook is saying his personal position is the company's position when this position does not improve Apple's bottom line at all in any way. If Tim Cook was pushing for the Paris Accord to be actually enforcable and actually about science then I'd have agreed with him. Tim Cook did not do this though.
 
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I read what you said. All of it actually. Saying "be thankful you don't need them" is totally missing the point of them. Celebrating one's culture is always a good thing. It's always great to be proud of your own culture or sexuality or similar. Everyone needs to be proud of who they are. So we could say everyone needs them equally.

There is never a time when this is not needed.
Do you know why I marched this year? Because I can be fired for being gay. I can't adopt in all 50 states because I'm gay. I can be denied housing because I'm gay. I could be beaten and left for dead because I'm gay. I have to think twice before expressing any affection toward my partner in public. I used to have to switch pronouns at work when talking about my weekend. I faced losing the love and support of my entire family because of who I am. When any of these things become ever-present concerns for straight people BECAUSE of the fact that they're straight, I will march in the street with you. But until then, you don't get to question the legitimacy of why we march.
 
Not just write letters to all of Apple saying (basically) that Trump is a monster and everything Trump says and does is wrong.
That's a lie. At the very least, extreme exaggeration on your part. While TC is politically opposed to many of Trump's policies, TC is also willing to work with the Trump Administration (and GOP senators) for the common benefit of businesses/corporations/technology/reform/etc. Try reading news (outside of Fox News) once in a while, maybe you'll be up to speed on these facts.


Apple's Tim Cook meets with Sen. Orrin Hatch, dines with Jared and Ivanka

Tim Cook will meet Trump to discuss government inefficiency

Apple's Tim Cook meets with lawmakers in DC


WATCH Apple CEO Tim Cook Meets with President Trump at White House




 
Do you know why I marched this year? Because I can be fired for being gay. I can't adopt in all 50 states because I'm gay. I can be denied housing because I'm gay. I could be beaten and left for dead because I'm gay. I have to think twice before expressing any affection toward my partner in public. I used to have to switch pronouns at work when talking about my weekend. I faced losing the love and support of my entire family because of who I am. When any of these things become ever-present concerns for straight people BECAUSE of the fact that they're straight, I will march in the street with you. But until then, you don't get to question the legitimacy of why we march.
No one is questioning the legiticimy of why you march. We all would also fight for those things alongside you so everyone is treated equality.

The point is everyone should be able to live in a world where it's socially acceptable to be who they are and celebrate it. Saying one group has less or different issues to another group is very true and something that totally needs addressing, but it's not at all what I was saying.

Straight people have just as much right to celebrate being straight as gay people have to celebrate being gay. Fighting for rights comes under the discrimination and not treating everyone banner. That's totally different to what I was saying.

People can celebrate being straight as well as also fight for equality for everyone no matter what their sexual orientation is.
 
No one is questioning the legiticimy of why you march. We all would also fight for those things alongside you so everyone is treated equality.

The point is everyone should be able to live in a world where it's socially acceptable to be who they are and celebrate it. Saying one group has less or different issues to another group is very true and something that totally needs addressing, but it's not at all what I was saying.

Straight people have just as much right to celebrate being straight as gay people have to celebrate being gay. Fighting for rights comes under the discrimination and not treating everyone banner. That's totally different to what I was saying.

People can celebrate being straight as well as also fight for equality for everyone no matter what their sexual orientation is.

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That's a lie. At the very least, extreme exaggeration on your part. While TC is politically opposed to many of Trump's policies, TC is also willing to work with the Trump Administration (and GOP senators) for the common benefit of businesses/corporations/technology/reform/etc. Try reading news (outside of Fox News) once in a while, maybe you'll be up to speed on these facts.


Apple's Tim Cook meets with Sen. Orrin Hatch, dines with Jared and Ivanka

Tim Cook will meet Trump to discuss government inefficiency

Apple's Tim Cook meets with lawmakers in DC


WATCH Apple CEO Tim Cook Meets with President Trump at White House



You are missing the point. Where are the letters to Apple saying how he is working with Trump at times. Where are the letters to Apple praising Trump? Please share them with me, because I have not seen any. I've only see ones where Tim Cook is attacking some of Trump's decisions.

I'm not using mainstream media for this, I am using the base facts. The point here is simple. Tim Cook is working to improve Apple. He will do it with any President, however he is pushing his democrat agenda with the letters to Apple. Tim Cook can be opposed to whatever he wants, but he should not write letters as head of Apple to the Apple staff pushing this.

All the links you've shared here is no different to what he did when Obama was president. The difference is Tim Cook did not publically write letters to Apple hating on Obama's bad decisions. That's the difference I am pointing out.
 
No one is questioning the legiticimy of why you march. We all would also fight for those things alongside you so everyone is treated equality.

The point is everyone should be able to live in a world where it's socially acceptable to be who they are and celebrate it. Saying one group has less or different issues to another group is very true and something that totally needs addressing, but it's not at all what I was saying.

Straight people have just as much right to celebrate being straight as gay people have to celebrate being gay. Fighting for rights comes under the discrimination and not treating everyone banner. That's totally different to what I was saying.

People can celebrate being straight as well as also fight for equality for everyone no matter what their sexual orientation is.

So you want to have a Straight Man Celebration Parade? I'm straight. And you're straight. Should we march together and shout slogans of how awesome and proud we are for being…. uhh…. straight? Let's march hand in hand, in union and solidarity. Should we also hold hands while we're at it? Ummm, that would seem odd.
 
So you want to have a Straight Man Celebration Parade? I'm straight. And you're straight. Should we march together and shout slogans of how awesome and proud we are for being…. uhh…. straight? Let's march hand in hand, in union and solidarity. Should we also hold hands while we're at it? Ummm, that would seem odd.
There's more than one way to celebrate that. And it only seems odd because society deems it to be wrong. Why is that socially acceptable for gay people to march like that but not straight people to do the same?
 
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We celebrate Oktoberfest in many places all over the world. Surely you agree it isn't normal to be German. Most of the world is NOT German.

Or maybe I have that wrong. A lot of people (including me) are a bit German, or can be persuaded if you catch us on a good night.
 
Where are the letters to Apple praising Trump? Please share them with me, because I have not seen any. I've only see ones where Tim Cook is attacking some of Trump's decisions.
There is no expectation that for every criticism one lobs toward Trump that there also be a praise. This isn't kindergarten. Tim Cook isn't under any obligation to protect Trump's fragile ego (or yours for that matter).

It's generally expected that a president will make sound decisions, weighing all possible outcomes, choosing what does the most good, or possibly even the least harm given the options. When 45 makes a bad call, he can expect to be called on it. If he expects to be praised for something, he should do something praiseworthy. It's not rocket science.
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There's more than one way to celebrate that. And it only seems odd because society deems it to be wrong. Why is that socially acceptable for gay people to march like that but not straight people to do the same?
Literally because all of the reasons I've told you multiple times. Do some research. Cultural anthropology is a thing.
 
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I don't think anyone has equated the two.

Good.
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Straight people have just as much right to celebrate being straight as gay people have to celebrate being gay.

People can celebrate being straight as well as also fight for equality for everyone no matter what their sexual orientation is.


Mmmmmmmmm, I'm gonna have to call this one BS. If straits were out celebrating being strait, gays would call them bigots. It would be seen as an anti gay march, even of it were just people who were really happy to be strait, but supported gays.

No group, said to be bigoted, by SJWs, could get away with celebrating ANYTHING. White pride march full of whites who have plenty of black friends and family members? RACIST!

Now white people having an apology march, would be seen as heroes.

Our country is ****ed with a capital F.
 
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So much "bigot mongering" in here...

Is it homophobic and bigoted to be of the opinion that Tim Cook is delving Apple too far into politics? Nope.

You lack any realistic perspective of 21st century mega-corporations. Guess what? Apple has more money than half of the small nations on Earth.

Samsung, Microsoft, Amazon, Google. They are all wealthier than so many small sovereign nations. These mega-corporations are literally nations unto themselves. A mega-corporation like Apple probably has far more diplomatic power to influence major nations (like Japan, USA, Germany, China) than dozens of small sovereign nations like Tonga, Fiji, and Monaco. So I can understand that these mega-corporations have vested interest when it comes to national politics. Apple (and others like Amazon, Google, Microsoft) have a reasonable need to voice their concerns regarding national policies. National policies affects them. It affects their finances, their economies, it affects their hundreds of thousands of employees, etc.

And just like in the science fiction novels of Heinlein, Niven and Pournelle…. there is no doubt that in the near future, mega-corporations (be it Samsung, Amazon, or Apple) will be in the position to field their own private armies and large security forces, to defend their own interests. Mega-corporations will become political nation-states on their own (in practice if not in name). It's trending in that direction. You just don't realize it yet.
 
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