It bugs me that this is wasted in a freaking iPad. Put it in the damn Macs already, especially the Mac Mini because that's what I want.
Makes sense, given how much they have dropped the price of the iPad Pro this generation.... oh wait.careful with the storage...you get binned M4 with the lowest storages , this is a first for the M ipads
Go to your room. You can come out when Mr Cranky Pants doesn't reappear.It bugs me that this is wasted in a freaking iPad. Put it in the damn Macs already, especially the Mac Mini because that's what I want.
How bad has it gotten? Mine still seems pretty close to original capacity in terms of how long a charge lasts (also M1 iPad Pro, 2020). But I haven’t been tracking it to see whether it has degraded (it must have to some degree, being 4 years old!).Should be a nice jump from my M1 iPad pro.. battery life on this thing has gotten so bad in the last few months.
But, but... the iPhone must be first with new generation tech... no way any apparent patterns can be altered at any time. First iPhone, then everything else.
And so much for the apparent pattern of M-series releases too. Many thought they saw a pattern in only 2 generations and then M3, PRO & MAX hit together to alter that perception and now here's M4 out at a very odd time of the year vs. the apparent pattern.
As has been offered before, there is no pattern in only a few iterations of anything. Flip a coin 3 times and you may get heads or tails 3 times in a row. That doesn't mean even the next flip will come up the same way. And with tech, any apparent pattern is subject to change at any time.
I'm with #9: I won't be surprised to see the apparent ORDER of releases flipped as soon as WWDC with M4 Ultra jumping ahead of MAX & PRO. Why? Mostly because it is apparently in the most profitable Macs per-unit-sold... and- apparently- Apple likes money. 💰💰💰
M4 will be digested news by WWDC and the Mac lineup will have their 2 "most powerful" Macs running on what will seem like 2-generations-old brains.
AFAIC: Welcome M4! Now bring on the Macs with it ASAP.
It's not about new processors. It's about new processes, which is totally different. Or course M4 is both.I just about to say the same thing. With a new processor it takes a while to get yields where they need to be for a larger product category like laptops. Yield is key for profitability in this business.
As best as anyone has been able to determine, the idea that N3B had big yield problems is a weird internet rumor that just took on a life of its own, but has no basis in fact. It is however true that N3B is significantly more expensive than N3E, for the reasons outlined above (much greater complexity).Switching nodes requires redesign and retesting. The node that Apple was using was too expensive in production because of yield problems, but it was the best one when M3 was designed. With M4, they switched to a newer node that was ready for M4 and has better yield and is an improvement.
That's *extremely* unlikely.Assuming same clock: single-core will be the same, and multi-core will only go up <5% if that.
There's no chance that that's due to production "problems". Look at the size of the CPUs vs. the size of the entire die. However your idea about them culling from production for Macs as well does have merit... *if* they're actually making them in that volume already, which, I don't know, would be ahead of TSMC's earlier published schedule, but it's possible.Wow. Maybe they brought the cost of M4 down below the cost of M1 and 2? Impressive. I'm guessing they had production problems with M4, though, if the vast majority of chips will be binned to only 3 cores. Unless of course they're just using the crap up on iPad Pro and will save the good chips for Mac...
Because you clearly know absolutely nothing about chips. That's ludicrous. Just google for "apple m3 die shot" and do a few minutes of reading.I’m betting the higher storage are binned M4 binned as well, compared to what go into the MacBook Air, and those are binned M4 pros, and those are just binned M4 Max.
I was clearly joking with the last part.Go to your room. You can come out when Mr Cranky Pants doesn't reappear.
Does it mean that you don't really know what you're talking about? Apple claims the M4 is the fastest NPU in any device, which, yeah sure, is correct. For now. The Snapdragon Elite X has a more powerful NPU. And given the performance comparison Qualcomm has shown compared to the M3 and the claims Apple is making about the M4 compared to the M2, Qualcomm has nothing to worry about.What do you think it means?
The comparison Qualcomm did was comparing the chips with at totally different power level and for some reason not comparing with M3 Max.Does it mean that you don't really know what you're talking about? Apple claims the M4 is the fastest NPU in any device, which, yeah sure, is correct. For now. The Snapdragon Elite X has a more powerful NPU. And given the performance comparison Qualcomm has shown compared to the M3 and the claims Apple is making about the M4 compared to the M2, Qualcomm has nothing to worry about.
The M4 is at best roughly equal to the Snapdragon X Elite. The good news is; that's nothing for you to be defensive about. Apple can take care of itself and it *really* doesn't matter in the slightest in the first place.
Looks like Apple will shift to a yearly release for M series chips.
Poor MacBook Airs are now slower than an IPAD.
Did you get lost in all of QC's hype and forget to look at the actual numbers? The SXE is way behind the M3 in single-core performance, nevermind the M4, and, well, choosing to compare a 12-performance-core SXE with the bottom-rung M3 (with just 4 P cores and 4 E cores) says pretty much everything that needs to be said. The quite middling M3 Pro beats it, and the Max leaves it in the dust.Does it mean that you don't really know what you're talking about? Apple claims the M4 is the fastest NPU in any device, which, yeah sure, is correct. For now. The Snapdragon Elite X has a more powerful NPU. And given the performance comparison Qualcomm has shown compared to the M3 and the claims Apple is making about the M4 compared to the M2, Qualcomm has nothing to worry about.
The M4 is at best roughly equal to the Snapdragon X Elite. The good news is; that's nothing for you to be defensive about. Apple can take care of itself and it *really* doesn't matter in the slightest in the first place.
A4 and A5 was the last time that an iPad got a new architecture before the iPhone - a while agoCorrect me if I’m wrong, but when has the iPad EVER had the most advanced SOC when the iPhone (and now Mac) hasn’t?
I thought that rumor was VERY far-fetched, but… the M4 iPad Pro is real. Was there an issue with getting the M3 into it? Thermal problem? Battery?
A10X alsoA4 and A5 was the last time that an iPad got a new architecture before the iPhone - a while ago![]()
That's a lousy argument. We've been through this already.When the M3 came out, Apple mostly compared it to the M1. Now the M4 comes out and Apple mostly compare it to the M2. I'm not saying that apple are being disingenuous here, but Apple appear to be being disingenuous here.
It's not like they're hiding what the comparisons points are.
In this case it's blindingly obvious what's going on as there is no M3 iPad
their point was that they don't expect most users of M2s to upgrade to M3s. But for M1 users, in many cases, it's a reasonable value proposition
Because you clearly know absolutely nothing about chips. That's ludicrous. Just google for "apple m3 die shot" and do a few minutes of reading.
...at least, the pro/max part is ridiculous. The MBA M4 having more cores is highly unlikely, though maybe a little less crazy- we'll know if we get a die shot of the M4. It wouldn't make sense though - it doesn't help with product segmentation, and fusing off cores in the iPad is pointless and even counterproductive (except for segmentation *within* the pad product line).
Think the A10 came out with the iPhone 7 in Sept 16, whereas A10X was June 2017 at WWDC! Good times...A10X also
Playing games i get about 2 hours. 3 maaaaaaybe 4 watching YouTube videos.. still works great if i just use it plugged in lol.. I‘ve pretty much ditched my laptop and this is my daily driver so it’s worth the upgrade seeing as how this is a 2021 model and it’s really a 3 generation jump in processor. I have decided I don’t need to go max with the 1TB this time though, looking back, that was overkill.How bad has it gotten? Mine still seems pretty close to original capacity in terms of how long a charge lasts (also M1 iPad Pro, 2020). But I haven’t been tracking it to see whether it has degraded (it must have to some degree, being 4 years old!).
Right, because basic algebra is soooo challenging.And it just happens to make the speed-up look better and quite hard to compare to the previous generation. But you stick to your opinion and Apple will no-doubt have some ocean-front property in Kansas for you soon.