Never once said I didn't see them. I simply disagree with you. I am in no way saying I don't believe the OP, but saying its fraying and is defective needs more than just telling us. I have heard of plenty of people here on MR receive replacement straps from Apple if they are truly defective. Like I said earlier here, I trust Apple's verdict more than a person here wanting a new band.I gave you my arguments twice. That you don't recognize them is on you. I am not going to repeat myself for a third time. I always start assuming someone (the OP) is speaking the truth until proven otherwise. You start with assuming the OP is untruthful. Nuf said. We are too far apart, so now I am really done.