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Cookie18

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No it is not. It's breaking the lease contract that Apple and the developer has. The only point where it becomes theft is if Apple requests it back and the 3rd party withholds it.
If I rent a car and do not put a second driver on the contract, but let someone else drive the car (breaking the rental agreement), that person has not committed theft unless the company wants the rental car back and that person does not return it.

While you're right (and I don't believe it is theft), in your scenario if your friend started dismantling the rental car you both would likely be liable for criminal damage.
 

jdb8167

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While you're right (and I don't believe it is theft), in your scenario if your friend started dismantling the rental car you both would likely be liable for criminal damage.
It is also likely you can’t dismantle a DTK without damaging it some way. Unlike a car.
 
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DeanL

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While you're right (and I don't believe it is theft), in your scenario if your friend started dismantling the rental car you both would likely be liable for criminal damage.

Again, misuse of the term "criminal". Crimes are those egregious acts that the government prosecutes. If you dismantle a rental car, the rental car company will sue you, not the government, and you will not go to jail, you'll be expected to pay for the car.
 

jdb8167

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Again, misuse of the term "criminal". Crimes are those egregious acts that the government prosecutes. If you dismantle a rental car, the rental car company will sue you, not the government, and you will not go to jail, you'll be expected to pay for the car.
There is a classification called Criminal Damage to Property. IANAL so I have no idea if it applies or exists in Canada but at the least, your statement that the use of ”criminal” is a misuse is likely wrong.
 

Cookie18

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Again, misuse of the term "criminal". Crimes are those egregious acts that the government prosecutes. If you dismantle a rental car, the rental car company will sue you, not the government, and you will not go to jail, you'll be expected to pay for the car.

This is completely false. Criminal damage is literally a crime that is dealt with with by the police and prosecutors.
 

DeanL

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There is a classification called Criminal Damage to Property. IANAL so I have no idea if it applies or exists in Canada but at the least, your statement that the use of ”criminal” is a misuse is likely wrong.


Really, in this specific case it's be about whether they can disassemble it and put it back together without causing damage.
Unfortunately we do not know whether the DTK can be disassembled without damage.
This is completely false. Criminal damage is literally a crime that is dealt with with by the police and prosecutors.

Y'all are grasping at straws LOL first it was "it's theft", now it's "oh well anyways they probably can't disassemble the DTK without damage so they'd be committing criminal damage".
 

DeanL

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The bottom line is 1. Them having the DTK is not theft or a crime; 2. Opening the DTK would probably not be criminal damage.

TLDR: none of it is a crime despite what fanboys want
 
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mr_roboto

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None of these arguments over the true legal definition of crime matter. What matters is the pressure Apple can bring to bear. This has, historically, included police knocking on doors and intimidating people. All they have to do is convince law enforcement that a crime or something crime-adjacent has been committed, and it'll happen.
 

Cookie18

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Really, in this specific case it's be about whether they can disassemble it and put it back together without causing damage.
Unfortunately we do not know whether the DTK can be disassembled without damage.


Y'all are grasping at straws LOL first it was "it's theft", now it's "oh well anyways they probably can't disassemble the DTK without damage so they'd be committing criminal damage".

I don’t know why you’re being so belligerent. I said in my previous post that I don’t think it is theft but there have been multiple reports that the DTK base seems to be on the device in a way that would mean it gets damaged when trying to take it off. Hence criminal damage if it does indeed damage the device to even take off the base plate. Just because you’re wrong doesn’t mean you have to be an ass about it. Just take a step back dude.
 

Manzanito

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The bottom line is 1. Them having the DTK is not theft or a crime; 2. Opening the DTK would probably not be criminal damage.

TLDR: none of it is a crime despite what fanboys want
It may or may not be a crime. Apple’s lawyers would have a field day either way.
 
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Jorbanead

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Regardless if it is a crime or not, I think LTT was idiotic for posting that to Twitter, but made the right call sending it back.

You don’t want to piss off a $2 Trillion company just for some views on a niche product only hardcore fans care about. Especially since we’re so close to Apple actually announcing a real Apple Silicon Mac that doesn’t use 2 year old hardware not intended for a Mac.
 
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Krevnik

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As for HDMI/Ethernet and so on, the A12Z-iPad does have USB-C so that would be very simple on the HW side.
Or maybe that chip had it all along but functionality was never activated in SW.

Since the USB-C port on an iPad Pro could be used for hooking up to external displays, it’s pretty clear it has to use something. Apple says it supports DisplayPort for connecting external monitors (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT209186) and DisplayPort is really easy to convert to HDMI. The HDMI port you see on the Mac Mini or on graphics cards are fed with a DisplayPort signal that’s converted to HDMI.

The extra USB ports are likely just connected to an internal hub, along with the Ethernet. For the sake of a DTK, this is all likely in the category of “good enough”.

Yeah, that explains the lack of followthrough. I do like LTT’s technical content but some of their “engagement” tactics to draw attention are clickbaity. It quite evidently worked on me in this case!

This is my biggest issue with LTT. There’s some level of thought put into the content itself. But there’s two glaring things that stick out to me. One is the clickbait stuff you mention. The other is that it is clear that they should be doing more research before starting shooting. They’d put their foot in their mouths a lot less often if they did that.
 
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