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Apple today published a support document explaining why it decided to release a standalone Apple Music Classical app for classical music.

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In short, Apple says the app was designed to support classical music's complex metadata:
Classical music is different. It has longer and more detailed titles, multiple artists for each work, and hundreds of recordings of well-known pieces. The Apple Music Classical app is designed to support the complex data structure of classical music.
Apple offers a longer explanation on a new Apple Music Classical page:
Classical music often involves multiple musicians recording works that have been recorded many times before and are referred to by different names. For example, from the formal Beethoven's Piano Sonata No. 14 to the popular byname of Moonlight Sonata, or in multiple languages, such as Mondschein Sonata in German. Such complexities mean that classical music fans have been ill-served by streaming platforms. Until now. A distinct app, included with an Apple Music subscription, gives these classical music lovers the editorial and catalog content they've been missing.

Only a brand-new app — with specialized features and a beautiful interface designed for the genre — could remove the complexity and make classical music easily searchable, browsable, and accessible for beginners and experts alike.
The support document provides answers to some other frequently asked questions about the app, which began rolling out today. Much of the information relates to how the Apple Music Classical app integrates with the standard Apple Music app.

Apple also shared a video overview of the app on YouTube:


Apple Music Classical offers over five million classical music tracks and is free to use with a standard Apple Music subscription on iOS 15.4 and later. The app is based on Primephonic, a classical music streaming service that Apple acquired in 2021. The app is available for the iPhone only at launch, with an Android version coming soon.

Article Link: Apple Explains Why It Launched an iPhone App Dedicated to Classical Music
 
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The app was automatically loaded to my iPhone at 10 p.m. EDT on Monday. First impression is that it seems a lot like a skin on a subset of Apple Music.

First search test did not inspire confidence.
- Typed “Beethoven symphony 2” (sans quotes) in the search box and the works (as opposed to albums) listed were the composer’s symphonies nos. 5, 9, 6, 7 and 3 along with, I assume, the number of recordings or tracks of each.
- Under that is a See All Works link. Selecting it takes you to a page that lists the symphonies as above followed by 8, 2 (finally!), 1, 4 and 10 (?!).
- Select 2 and you’re presented with a preliminary list of recordings, including an unexplained/unjustified Editor’s Choice (Berlin Phil under Rattle, no thanks), followed by a list of five Popular Recordings and a See All link.
- Select that and you finally get to the list of 500-odd albums that can be sorted by Popularity (the default), Name, Release Date or Duration. Lots of big name European and American orchestras under big name conductors, though you’ll have scroll through several screens before you come across a period instrument performance (Gardiner’s, with Savall's excellent performance coming a few more screens below that).

This is lame from start to finish and not that much better than Apple Music.

I used to subscribe to Idagio. Searching it for Beethoven symphony 2 presented you with a results page in two parts: a list of all the recordings and another list of the ensembles, the conductors and, for things like concertos and chamber music, the individual musicians. You want to hear Toscanini’s recording with the NBC Symphony Orchestra? You select NBC or Toscanini and bingo.

Searching Apple Classical for Turandot turns up scads of albums and tracks (all together in a single list…) but not the just released Warner recording with Radvanovsky and Kaufmann. To get that, I had to type Turandot Pappano (the conductor). Neither it nor the recently released William Christie-conducted Platée from Vienna had liner notes, let alone libretti. For new recordings, Idagio often had both in PDF format.

First impressions, I admit, but so far a disappointment. Plus, though there's lots of stuff in lossless and hi-res, I've no way to play it back in anything but mid-res (Sonos, which does hi-res with Qobuz and Amazon, and AirPod Pros).
 
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So far it’s been great, I like the font too!

Although I listen to classical music a majority of the time on my Mac while studying or working so it’ll be nice to get a macOS app.

That being said, I would’ve preferred Apple put the effort into fixing the atrocious Music app that has not properly worked without many bugs for a few years now… oh well, I choose to stick with Apple Music so the fool here is me!
 
I’m hoping it splits out my top played songs for the year in my 2023 most played playlist. I listen to classical while I work but I really want that separate. So far it looks like it won’t… it adds the songs to my Apple Music too, so I think this is just a different interface to listen to part of your Apple Music library and look up music (within the classical genre, obv).
 
The app was automatically loaded to my iPhone at 10 p.m. EDT on Monday. First impression is that it seems a lot like a skin on a subset of Apple Music.

First search test did not inspire confidence.
- Typed “Beethoven symphony 2” (sans quotes) in the search box and the works (as opposed to albums) listed were the composer’s symphonies nos. 5, 9, 6, 7 and 3 along with, I assume, the number of recordings or tracks of each.
- Under that is a See All Works link. Selecting it takes you to a page that lists the symphonies as above followed by 8, 2 (finally!), 1, 4 and 10 (?!).
- Select 2 and you’re presented with a preliminary list of recordings, including an unexplained/unjustified Editor’s Choice (Berlin Phil under Rattle, no thanks), followed by a list of five Popular Recordings and a See All link.
- Select that and you finally get to the list of 500-odd albums that can be sorted by Popularity (the default), Name, Release Date or Duration. Lots of big name European and American orchestras under big name conductors, though you’ll have scroll through several screens before you come across a period instrument performance (Gardiner’s, with Savall's excellent performance coming a few more screens below that).

This is lame from start to finish and not that much better than Apple Music.

I used to subscribe to Idagio. Searching it for Beethoven symphony 2 presented you with a results page in two parts: a list of all the recordings and another list of the ensembles, the conductors and, for things like concertos and chamber music, the individual musicians. You want to hear Toscanini’s recording with the NBC Symphony Orchestra? You select NBC or Toscanini and bingo.

Searching Apple Classical for Turandot turns up scads of albums and tracks (all together in a single list…) but not the recently released major Warner recording with Radvanovsky and Kaufmann. To get that, I had to type Turandot Pappano (the conductor). Neither it nor the recently released William Christie-conducted Platée from Vienna had liner notes, let alone libretti. For new recordings, Idagio often had both in PDF format.

First impressions, I admit, but so far a disappointment. Plus, though there's lots of stuff in lossless and hi-res, I've no way to play it back in anything but mid-res (Sonos and AirPod Pros).
Same here. I used to subscribe to Primephonic. I'm not sure how they can claim it was based on Primephonic. Primephonic worked great. This new app does not work great. I must be doing something wrong, but it feels like the regular Apple Music app, limited to classical music.
 
I really do appreciate the efforts put in making the experience for classical music better. However, as long as there are no convenient ways to stream lossless music to my Hifi system, classical music on Apple Music remains a bad proposal compared to platforms like Qobuz.
 
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Two things that are missing from the Apple Classical app are portals to Opera and Ballet respectively. There is an "Opera Essentials" button much like artist essentials in the standard Music app but there needs to be a section just for music from these distinct, but important genres.

And while we're at it, perhaps a video section for classical performances, opera and ballet?
 
OK, so Apple Music Classical just downloaded to my phone, and it's a disaster for browsing the albums you've added to your library. You can't view them by composer or artist, just as a list of albums. I guess it'll sort of work if you keep just a few albums and view by date added. Major disappointment, and totally unlike what I've always done with my local music that I would sync to my iPhone.

So maybe that's not what they had in mind for the app, so I added some composers and went to view Mozart. The first thing under Latest Albums is "Classical Music for Dogs". I realize that's just coincidence, but it fits the app to a tee. Woof.

My initial impression is that the app is OK to discover new releases and probably to play the things Apple has set up for you. It's all but useless for playing albums you've added to your library, because you can't browse them by composer. Ironically, the regular iPhone Apple Music app does allow this, but if you also have popular music in your collection, your classical composers will be lost in the sea of 30+ permutations of Sade and her bandmates, plus hundreds of others, depending on what you have. To add insult to injury, Mozart will be sorted under "W", Schubert under "F", etc. Just swell. However, I discovered a tiny glimmer of hope in the Windows Apple Music Preview app, where I was able to create a smart playlist that shows composers for the classical genre; it's possible to view this playlist by composer, but the app doesn't remember my choice after I've navigated away from it. This playlist does appear in Apple Music on my iPhone, but there it appears as a flat list of songs, with no ability to view by composer or any other attribute, which is completely useless. The playlist does not appear in Apple Classical at all.

I've also looked at Spotify and iDagio, and for the life of me, I don't understand the design sensibilities of the people behind any of these services. I want to add albums to my library and easily browse them later by composer, artist, etc. It's what I always did with my huge local library by carefully managing the metadata. That's the primary thing. None of them will do it. Is it because the record labels forbid it?
 
A pleasant surprise when I woke up this morning, as Apple Classical had been downloaded to my iPhone, but also the same (iPhone) app was downloaded to my iPad, which I didn’t expect (given it was suggested as „iPhone only“).

Still nothing, as yet, for the AppleTV though, that would be of great interest to me.
 
Hope there's something don't get, but i can't see any difference vs. regular Apple Music.

I just want a simple, simple thing: filter results by composer, director and orchestra. I can't see this basic option, i still have to browse countless meaningless results.
 
wow, the app is actually pretty cool! Tested it on the new HomePods (2 paired in Stereo), sounds crisp.
  • It also automatically imported previous classical music that I had on the Apple Music app which is classic Apple (pun), making things seamless.
  • Sound is incredible (only tested on 2 new HomePods, stereo).
  • Searching is honestly straight forward, searching a song or artist (Mozart) there's countless results (songs, playlists, albums, etc), just like searching a regular artist in regular Apple Music.
  • The Data is pretty extensive too (and small fonts to show more on the screen), showing composer, catalog, work, movement, orchestra, and tons tons more).
  • Obviously I'd love this on the iPadOs, MacOS and TVOS, but I'd rather if it launch on 1 OS then delay it months/years to launch on all. I think this will be a game changer for people wanting to listen to classical music, which isn't a lot of kids these days.
My only complaint is there's no karaoke/singing mode? wtf.
 
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