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belvdr

macrumors 603
Aug 15, 2005
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Because there's no contract that I had to sign that said that if I liked Apple products, I had to immediately start hating all things Microsoft. Hey, I prefer Pepsi, but I like Coke too. Oh noes!! :rolleyes:

Pepsi and Coke?!? That's the craziest thing I've ever heard! ;)
 

Rodimus Prime

macrumors G4
Oct 9, 2006
10,136
4
Just wondering why so many Apple fans support MS products? Xbox 360 comes to mind. By paying for the Xbox 360 + LIVE you're basically guaranteeing that MS will have a monopoly in the next gen consoles.

Thank you for proving why apple fans are thought of as blind idiots who can not think for themselves.

Of all the fanboys out there I honestly think apple ones are the worse.
 

0098386

Suspended
Jan 18, 2005
21,574
2,908
MS actually lose money if you buy xbox without buying games. But for certain titles computer gaming are much better, because computing gaming doesn't have auto aim.

Can you actually buy used games for xbox?

As I posted a few posts above yours - the Xbox 360 has been making a profit since Jan 2008. I don't know if the PS3 is but Nintendo always make a profit on their systems.
And of course you can buy used games for Xbox. Why wouldn't you be able to? :confused:
 

chachster

macrumors newbie
Jul 23, 2008
29
0
I will immediately return my XBox 360 and PC running Windows. Oh yeah, and cancel my XBox Live service. Cannot continue to support their coffers. Sheesh... I like having a choice of what to spend my money on. I guess I am not allowed to own a PC with Windows and a Mac with OS X.
 

thegoldenmackid

macrumors 604
Dec 29, 2006
7,770
6
dallas, texas
This argument has been made before:
Sony makes a portable music player and has been much longer then Microsoft
Sony also makes notebooks, headphones and other products that compete against Apple's products.

Nintendo's portable device has been specifically targeted by the iPod touch.
 

Antares

macrumors 68000
The Real Question

You know what? The OP is actually kind of on to something.

Why is it so wrong for someone to refuse to pay for a company's services or products if they don't like that company for legitimate and fundamental reasons? If you don't like Microsoft's business practices, monopolistic tactics or whatever, you should stand up for what you believe in. You should not support Microsoft financially by paying for any of it's products or services...irregardless of what good products they may and actually (reluctant to admit) occasionally do have.

The same can be said of Walmart. They may have cheaper prices than other stores and are conveniently located near where you live and/or work. However, if you don't like Walmart's business practices, how they treat employees or distributors and what happens to smaller/independent businesses because of them, you should stand up for what you believe in and not buy anything from them.

Let me give some analogies. Note: These are extreme examples meant only to illustrate a point.
1. If a company bought slaves and used them to manufacture a product and sell it to you for 1/3 the price of every other competitor, would you buy that product from them because it's a good product and so much cheaper? If you disapprove of slavery yet still buy that product from that company, you are essentially supporting slavery, yourself.
2. Would you buy a blood diamond knowing that many people were killed to obtain it? Do you justify it by saying that the blood diamond is cheaper than other diamonds of equal quality or even of better quality than other diamonds....ingnoring the human deaths associated with it?

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I think the OP didn't clearly say what he really wanted to say...but I could be wrong. This has nothing to do with being a Mac/Apple fan. Let me try rephrasing his question:

For all those people who say that they hate how Microsoft uses their size and immense cash reserves to buy themselves into markets, how they use anti-competative practices to gain an unfair advantage over other companies, etc., why do you help them continue doing so by purchasing their products and/or services?

The debate should flow from there.

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I think the OP is trying to uncover why so many people seem to be so hypocritical at times. Along with the fact that most people don't even realize it.

A lot of people speak out against a company's business practices yet they keep buying products from them (It could be Microsoft...or it could be any other company). Why? Because they say that they like some of their products or those products cost less than the competing products? When it comes down to it, a lot of people don't put their money where there mouth is. They only truly stand up against something or for something when it is economically convenient for them.

It's not just business, it could be other things in life... People speak out against a politician but they don't bother going through the effort to vote for someone else....or even voting at all. Or...people say how the environment is important to them but they keep buying the gas guzzling cars, wasting electricity, don't use more environmentally friendly products, don't live a more sustainable lifestyle,etc.. The examples can go on and on.

This isn't a debate about choice or buying the products that are good for your purposes. It's a debate on why if you say that you don't like something, do you turn around and continue to support it?
 

uuaschbaer

macrumors regular
Aug 31, 2009
229
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I like Apple to be and stay the underdog, it stimulates it to invest and impress. You wouldn't want the coming iMac update to be as shabby as the latest iPod Touch update, would you? The OS(computer) market isn't quite a monopoly of course, it's an oligopoly if I'm not mistaken.
 

pdjudd

macrumors 601
Jun 19, 2007
4,037
65
Plymouth, MN
Monopolies are a tough thing - the fact that they are a monoploy maks them difficult to avoid. I don't purchase Microsoft products becasue I despise what they do, yet I really have little choice but to work for compies that support Microsoft products and services. I have to use Windows and Office simply because thats what we use and thats what we settled on. The company is going to purchase MS components no matter what I do. I would love to work for an Apple based company, but the reality is that I can't pick and choose. If I want a job that pays me enough to live, I gotta choose a Windows shop.

Of course I choose Apple whenever possible, but in many instances, the decision is made for you simply due to prevalence. Microsoft is so prevalent, that no matter what you do, you support them in some shape or form.
 

neiltc13

macrumors 68040
May 27, 2006
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Monopolies are a tough thing - the fact that they are a monoploy maks them difficult to avoid. I don't purchase Microsoft products becasue I despise what they do, yet I really have little choice but to work for compies that support Microsoft products and services. I have to use Windows and Office simply because thats what we use and thats what we settled on. The company is going to purchase MS components no matter what I do. I would love to work for an Apple based company, but the reality is that I can't pick and choose. If I want a job that pays me enough to live, I gotta choose a Windows shop.

Of course I choose Apple whenever possible, but in many instances, the decision is made for you simply due to prevalence. Microsoft is so prevalent, that no matter what you do, you support them in some shape or form.

I would love to know what Microsoft does that makes you and many others here despise them so much. It's a publicly traded company and both it and Apple have the same goal - to make money for shareholders.
 

skottichan

macrumors 65816
Oct 23, 2007
1,143
1,387
Columbus, OH
My GF and I are hard core Apple fangirls (she was long before I was), and we happily have our Elite and XBL accounts. It's perfectly okay to support your favorite brands' competitors, it's not like Mr Jobs is going to come to your house and smash up your 360.

As to the whining about MS buying exclusives, hate to tell you hon, but all three of the major console makers do it, they always have. I personally think that console exclusivity is pretty crappy, I think only first party games should be exclusive (like God of War/Sony, Mario/Nintendo, Halo/MS, etc.), and third parties should reap the benefits of multi-platform.

If you're going to complain about the 360, I would have gone with something like the notorious ~50% failure rate, or things like $100 for a friggen wifi dongle, then you wouldn't have come across as much of a stereotypical Apple fanatic.
 

lunari

macrumors member
May 19, 2009
36
0
Glendive, Montana
You need to get your facts straight. Microsoft has a monopoly that is legally defined as the market for operating systems for computers with Intel processors.

Microsoft does not have a monopoly in video games by any definition. The Xbox is not even No. 1 and never has been. That honor currently belongs to the Ninetendo Wii. Microsoft loses money on the Xbox. Although the original Xbox was based on Intel processors, the Xbox 360 is based on the Cell, a derivative of the Power PC.

Sorry if this has been brought up already, as I haven't finished reading the thread. The 360 has a PPC chip in it, it's the PS3 which has the Cell processor. :apple:

Edit: Also, what's wrong with supporting MS when it comes to consoles. One of the largest single orders from Apple was an order for G5s that MS placed while the 360 was being developed and sent out to game developers since the processor architecture was so close to being the same.
 
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