What this guy said... apple found out we'll buy no matter the price, the people whining do have a point. However, that point should be taken and spent on a surface
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What this guy said... apple found out we'll buy no matter the price, the people whining do have a point. However, that point should be taken and spent on a surface
Don't confuse constructive feedback and raising concerns or sharing disappointment with whining though.What this guy said... apple found out we'll buy no matter the price, the people whining do have a point. However, that point should be taken and spent on a surface
Well, after today, I wouldn't be surprised if whatever they come out with next for iMac, it will probably be priced comparatively to what they did today with the MacBook Pro line. Today's iMac may be dated somewhat for CPU/GPU, but the diff in CPU isn't as great as the differences used to be 5-10 years ago, so that's a bit easier to live with now. (Intel is more focused on power efficiency with them these days.) The GPU is a bitter pill to swallow, but for me, I do my gaming on a PC anyway, as Mac's have always been bad in comparison for that use.
While I agree I have noticed a little more consumer hostile enviroment from them recently, You do have to realize the prices are actually realatively low. The original MBA released at $1799 in 2008 dollars. In contrast, the current entry pro at $1499 in today's dollars, and the current pro with touch bar at $1799 in today's dollars are pretty impressive machines. So I would say it is on par, if not better.
Sure, but I do 4k video processing, which almost forces me to the 4gb gpu solution, especially if i still want it to work smooth enough in say 4 years from now. My iMac current can't handle adobe's licensed software anymore. At all.
He can't say aluminum correctly to us, American ears. Now he puts the evil in evolution.
"It marks a milestone in the evilution of the Mac." - Jony Ive
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"It marks a milestone in the evilution of the Mac." - Jony Ive
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Complaining about not having a 1080 in an ultrabook is whining, illogical whining at that.
Then yeah, if I were you, I'd say "screw the iMac". Too bad it doesn't have TB3 already. External GPU would be very appealing, even if it already had a modern GPU in it.
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Nobody anywhere complained about that. All I see is somebody inferring that based on another response that implied nothing of the sort.
Well, I think they could have went with the 470 in the top end model. But the choice is on par with what Apple usually chooses for their 15" dGPU.
The real bizarre thing is how they go from a 450 to 455, and then add a BTO option on either for the 460. I'm not quite sure what the point of the 455 is, other than an illlusion you're getting more for the money.
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Yea the "pro" cards are interesting. I was surprised to read they could be clocked slower than standard versions though, but with more shaders I believe. Probably the same in the end.
You are forgetting that in 2008 the Macbook Air was vastly overpriced for what it could do. When it came to a product like this, Apple essentially made the buyers "Beta Testers" without even paying them. A year later in 2009 the Macbook air saw $300 price cut and then in late 2010 you got the 11" for $999. In Early 2014 they even discounted the 11" model to cost $899.
This is why I never recommend 1st gen products. Just look at the iPhone, iPad, iPod and now the new "Macbook" 12" and Apple Watch. They were all overpriced and all had problems that got more or less fixed in the next generation. People bought the first Apple watch a year ago, now would perhaps like to sell it but won't get even 40% of money they paid for it.
I always say: WAIT! Don't become an early adopter.
But some people just can't wait
So, no. $1,499 for a 13" rMBP that is now essentially a Macbook Air with Retina display is just way TOO MUCH and should see a price cut at $1,199 in the next 6-9 months I HOPE , while the 12" Macbook should receive at least one Thunderbolt 3 port and be priced at $999, making it the new standard "affordable" laptop from Apple again.
"But some people just can't wait"
I agree with you, but I have waited. And then as it turns out, we get a system that's 300 up to 700 euro more expensive than usual, as ONLY update this year.. After waiting, and only waiting to hear we won't get a new mac pro and imac until half of 2017 or whatever.
How long do you have to wait when you have things in the queue you want to get done. It's not just a matter of being spoiled and wanting new things. It's about investing a suitcase of cash on modern tech that helps you get the job done you buy it for. I have no interest in spending that much cash on last years stuff .. and to wait out this first gen .. means no options to no-imac or no-macpro release.
I agree with you, but I have waited. And then as it turns out, we get a system that's 300 up to 700 euro more expensive than usual, as ONLY update this year.. After waiting, and only waiting to hear we won't get a new mac pro and imac until half of 2017 or whatever.
How long do you have to wait when you have things in the queue you want to get done. It's not just a matter of being spoiled and wanting new things. It's about investing a suitcase of cash on modern tech that helps you get the job done you buy it for. I have no interest in spending that much cash on last years stuff .. and to wait out this first gen .. means no options to no-imac or no-macpro release.
iMac already uses 6700K, which is the best Skylake quad-core, so having no updates till Kaby Lake was obvious. I agree on Mac Pro, but as a workstation with much smaller market and long life cycle it also makes sense to update it less often, with each update maximising the gain and "worthiness".
I'd obviously love to have a more GPU in iMac, a Broadwell-E 6/8/10 core option and a set of TB3 ports for 5K screens support... but seriously, the current iMac is still very future proof (it even supports 4x 16GB RAM arrangement)
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I am trying to wait until december, so I can at least say 'oh ok, no november imac update then' and give up on anything new and just make a choice.
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Thanks for the encouraging words, they're not always easy to find in a community that just wants the latest greatest..
I am trying to wait until december, so I can at least say 'oh ok, no november imac update then' and give up on anything new and just make a choice.
As for wallet voting, I see the new MBPs are now delivering in December so there's that.[/QUOTE]
That's because Apple, as usual, manages initial demand shortage by keeping initial production levels low. Same old thing as with annual iPhone rollouts. Very tiresome and not impressive.
That's because Apple, as usual, manages initial demand shortage by keeping initial production levels low. Same old thing as with annual iPhone rollouts. Very tiresome and not impressive.
There will be no new iMacs till mid-2017 because those Kaby Lake chips aren't even ready yet. And based on the usual release pattern I don't see Apple updating iMac with new GPUs and TB3 ports before Kaby Lake via intermediate update. Other than that there's no reason to wait for a new iMac.
If I were you, I'd get a refurbished or student-discounted 27" 5K iMac from Apple Store now and use extra money towards important accessories like a pair of sweet 4K screens (if you need them and don't have them already) or an aftermarket RAM upgrade. As a bonus you'll get conventional USB-A 3.0 ports on the back
I think that not having a decent lower-priced entry into the ecosystem is a mistake. In 2008, the 13-inch aluminium MacBook (later rebranded into MacBook Pro) cost €1199 ($1299 at the time). Now I am looking at €1699 ($1499) at a minimum for a MacBook Pro, with the MacBook priced at €1449 ($1299). Apple used to have new models priced far under these amounts, with the white MacBook and later MacBook Air being popular options. I am worrying about the future of the platform and believe Apple is squandering the platform’s potential and future.
This is what happens when every decision is about profit. iPad Air becomes Pro and you pay extra $100. A touch bar and that's extra $400. And the classic 16GB/64GB choice. And all the adapters that you have to buy.
Please, get your facts straight.
It's not 100$ for just Pro name on iPad. It's 100$ for the best digitizer in any tablet and actually decent speakers.
And it's not 400$ for touchbar alone when you consider 256GB base vs. 128GB base for the previous gen.
They charged $2199 for the first retina MacBook Pro, which contained less expensive components. The prices will go down over time.
I think you are missing the big picture. It was either a lower spec GPU or the Intel HD Graphics. The full-spec Polaris 11 chips simply can't be manufactured in high enough quantities. So they will be fairly expensive. This goes so far that AMD doesn't even include full-spec Polaris 11 in their desktop GPUs — those use cut down 'defective' chips. All the 'perfect' chips go to Apple. Its really unfortunate, but thats the technological limitations we have at the moment.
BTW, I have very strong suspicion that something similar happened with Intel and Skylake. There are a lot of indirect indications that Intel was simply physically unable to provide the higher-end chips with the Iris Pro in bulk. In the end, the MBP users got a better deal — that cut-down Polaris 450 is a better card than Iris Pro in every regard.
Thats your fundamental right, no matter what Apple or anyone else does.
Apple is a consumer electronics manufacturer of high end premium products, they always have been. They have the biggest profit margin's of anyone in the industry. The MBP is a new product and they've priced it accordingly knowing full well they'll initially sell every one they make.
It's tough, Apple are not our friend just because we like their products.
Anyone remember the Macbook Air launch, far too expensive, no ports?
It's tough, Apple are not our friend just because we like their products.
Anyone remember the Macbook Air launch, far too expensive, no ports?