Apple Hates Vista?! I Don't Think So!

[illutionz]

I came across this new option in my control panel in Windows Vista today, and boy! Was I surprised!

How in the world did that get there? I don't remember an update for that!

EDIT: Apple still makes fun of Vista, but they still add these "features" without me knowing it? First Safari, now this? Stop putting all this malware on my computer Apple! I didn't want Safari (Go Firefox 3! ) nor do I want this extra link in my Control Panel.

Not only Apple did this. If you look closely, SYMANTEC also "tag" their live update on your control panel and Symantec creates awful products. GO FREE ANTI VIRUS!!!

Plus it's only make sense for AAPL to have some sort of preferences pane for MobileMe since they are targeting MM for Windows user as well... AAPL wouldn't want to add MM options on Windows iTunes because creating two different codes for 1 app is not very efficient

 

[Sesshi]

MM shouldn't be pushed out automatically to users of iTunes. MM is a subscription service which HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CORE USE OF ITUNES. I also do not want Safari on my PC. Because it's standards-compliant (which may lead to an interesting discussion about what is actually a standard as far as the web is concerned) doesn't mean it's good for anyone other than the SteveZombies. There is no good reason why I should be pushed either.

On a tech podcast episode recently someone who I suspect is increasingly going over to the vacuous side after the purchase of a Macbook Pro defended this premise, pointing out that Quicktime for example could be downloaded separately as an example of Apple still playing nice. Do you know what happens when you install Quicktime? The next update has all the Apple Crapware ticked for download. I've never come across any other software manufacturer with the sheer arrogance to continue doing this.

 

[illutionz]

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[Apple Ink]

MM shouldn't be pushed out automatically to users of iTunes. MM is a subscription service which HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CORE USE OF ITUNES. I also do not want Safari on my PC. Because it's standards-compliant (which may lead to an interesting discussion about what is actually a standard as far as the web is concerned) doesn't mean it's good for anyone other than the SteveZombies. There is no good reason why I should be pushed either.

On a tech podcast episode recently someone who I suspect is increasingly going over to the vacuous side after the purchase of a Macbook Pro defended this premise, pointing out that Quicktime for example could be downloaded separately as an example of Apple still playing nice. Do you know what happens when you install Quicktime? The next update has all the Apple Crapware ticked for download. I've never come across any other software manufacturer with the sheer arrogance to continue doing this.

Please do start a thread on Safari Standards-Compliant! It'll be interesting to hear on that! Please do PM me the permalink! Thanks!

 

[clevin]

Not only Apple did this. If you look closely, SYMANTEC also "tag" their live update on your control panel and Symantec creates awful products. GO FREE ANTI VIRUS!!!

Plus it's only make sense for AAPL to have some sort of preferences pane for MobileMe since they are targeting MM for Windows user as well... AAPL wouldn't want to add MM options on Windows iTunes because creating two different codes for 1 app is not very efficient

1. users actually know they installed NAV (which is an awful product IMO)
2. "only make sense"? how? why do people don't use MM need such a pref in their system again? if you follow this type of logic, whenever M$ made a product for mac, they should find every possible way of sneaking it onto your system, no matter you want it/use it or not?
3. creating two different codes for a app? are you serious? in thinking this is some difficult task? iWeb generates different codes for each different browsers, how difficult is that? not to mention the freaking control pref is a simple UI+ a icon+ 20 words+ a link, exactly how difficult is that?

The logic is getting ridiculous.

Please do start a thread on Safari Standards-Compliant! It'll be interesting to hear on that! Please do PM me the permalink! Thanks!

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[ScottNWDW]

Actually Mobile Me does have everything to do with iTunes and syncing the iPhone. IF you subscribe to Mobile Me that little Mobile Me application in your control panel turns off the syncing capabilities with iTunes and changes it in iTunes to say that your contacts and appointments are syncing with Mobile Me.

I don't see what the big issue is that got the OP's undies in a bunch. Big Deal, a little Mobile Me icon appeared in the control panel. Like everything else in the control panel, if you don't use Mobile Me, just ignore it. However, should the day come where you might need it, guess what, it's there. (however after reading some of the later posts from the OP I doubt he actually uses anything one has to pay for).

The CP item was added as part of iTunes 7.7 and if you don't want it there then revert back to iTunes 7.6 or prior.

 

[HLdan]

Wrong post.

 

[clevin]

Big Deal, a little Mobile Me icon appeared in the control panel. Like everything else in the control panel, if you don't use Mobile Me, just ignore it. However, should the day come where you might need it, guess what, it's there.

This same logic can be used in many malware out there as well.

 

[d21mike]

This same logic can be used in many malware out there as well.

Is your main problem that it is placed in the Control Panel?

If it was under iTunes folder off the Start Menu would you be as concerned?

I think a lot of products have features / programs off the Start Menu that I may not use but they come as part of the product.

Example:

Microsoft Office has the following:

Excel
Outlook
PowerPoint
Word
Tools - many items listed under here

For me I do not use PowerPoint. Should I be upset with Microsoft for including PowerPoint. I guess I could have done a Custom Install and not installed PowerPoint but I don't really see the point. Also, I don't think I have ever used anything in Tools. But it is there.

Again, if you are only talking about where they placed it, I can see that maybe they placed it in the wrong placed. But I don't have a problem with it being part of iTunes.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

This same logic can be used in many malware out there as well.

Clevin, your logic doesn't lead anywhere. Malware installs somewhere on your computer. So does iTunes, Safari and Quicktime. Here is where your logic dies: iTunes, Safari, Quicktime and Mobile me aren't malware. End of story. Go home.

 

[clevin]

Is your main problem that it is placed in the Control Panel?

no, my main problem is users get some irrelevant, and unnecessary app stuck down throat w/o asking for permission.

Clevin, your logic doesn't lead anywhere. Malware installs somewhere on your computer. So does iTunes, Safari and Quicktime. Here is where your logic dies: iTunes, Safari, Quicktime and Mobile me aren't malware. End of story. Go home.

You don't even know what malware is, do you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware

Malware, also known as Malicious Software, is software designed to infiltrate or damage a computer system without the owner's informed consent. The term is a portmanteau of the words malicious and software. The expression is a general term used by computer professionals to mean a variety of forms of hostile, intrusive, or annoying software or program code.

http://www.stopbadware.org/home/guidelines

I. General Definition of Badware

An application is badware in one of two cases:

1. If the application acts deceptively or irreversibly.
2. If the application engages in potentially objectionable behavior without:
* First, prominently disclosing to the user that it will engage in such behavior, in clear and non-technical language, and
* Then, obtaining the user’s affirmative consent to that aspect of the application.

Both categories of badware are defined in detail in Section III below. Proper disclosure and consent requirements are discussed in general terms in Section II and, for specific categories of bad behavior, in Section III.

PS. stop name-calling and insulting language. Its reportable offense, I think.

 

[IgnatiusTheKing]

no, my main problem is users get some irrelevant, and unnecessary app stuck down throat w/o asking for permission.

What app? Is there an actual MobileMe app in PC-land (I can't look anymore because I no longer have a PC at work) or is it, as I suspect, simply a Control Panel where you can turn syncing with the MobileMe service on/off?

PS. stop name-calling and insulting language. Its reportable offense, I think.

Who are you threatening here? I don't see any name-calling or insulting going on.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

no, my main problem is users get some irrelevant, and unnecessary app stuck down throat w/o asking for permission.



You don't even know what malware is, do you?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malware

http://www.stopbadware.org/home/guidelines


PS. stop name-calling and insulting language. Its reportable offense, I think.

Clevin, I do know what Malware is. And by that wiki article in the first sentence it shows that iTunes and the Apple software installed is not malware. It's funny how you skipped around the most important part of that sentense you quoted.

"Malware, also known as Malicious Software, is software designed to infiltrate or damage a computer system without the owner's informed consent."

Is iTunes infiltrating the computer? Nope. It's just sitting there waiting for you to use it. Is it damaging the computer? Well it does put the HD through its paces, but malicious damage? Nope.

 

[clevin]

Is iTunes infiltrating the computer? Nope. It's just sitting there waiting for you to use it. Is it damaging the computer? Well it does put the HD through its paces, but malicious damage? Nope.

aha, no, I didn't say iTunes is malware, did I? I said MM pref app is, it doesn't promisingly disclose itself, it does not ask users for permission, it place an potentially unwanted piece of app into system. It placed a link into users' system that would lead to potentially unwanted expense. Thats infiltration. is it not?

What app? Is there an actual MobileMe app in PC-land (I can't look anymore because I no longer have a PC at work) or is it, as I suspect, simply a Control Panel where you can turn syncing with the MobileMe service on/off?

Who are you threatening here? I don't see any name-calling or insulting going on.

you want to suspect is fine, google search for an image isn't that difficult to you, is it?

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

aha, no, I didn't say iTunes is malware, did I? I said MM pref app is, it doesn't promisingly disclose itself, it does not ask users for permission, it place an potentially unwanted piece of app into system. It placed a link into users' system that would lead to potentially unwanted expense. Thats infiltration. is it not?

Nope it sure isn't. The preference pane just sits there. It doesn't change anything dangerous. It IS disclosed to the user that it is being installed when they install iTunes 7.7. I'd like you to point out the unwanted expense it potentially causes a user. Sure, the MobileMe preferences could have been included in iTunes, but I think since it integrates with Windows Contacts, Outlook, et cetera, things that are all system wide it makes sense to put it there.

 

[ScottNWDW]

the Mobile Me in the control Panel is not malware. It is placed there because it is a CONTROL PANEL to turn on the syncing between the computer it is installed on and Mobile Me. That's all it does. Period.

If the user does not subscribe to Mobile Me it just sits there minding it's own business, and does nothing else to any of the other cute little icons in there. It plays well with others. Doesn't cause anything to go wrong or charge anyone anything.

Should the computer owner decide to subscribe to Mobile Me, then they open it and turn it on, set their preferences, pay their $99 annual subscription fee and they are done.

What is so malicious about that? The user turns it on , or off, so therefore the USER is the malicious part.

 

[Pippen Man]

Is your main problem that it is placed in the Control Panel?

If it was under iTunes folder off the Start Menu would you be as concerned?

I think a lot of products have features / programs off the Start Menu that I may not use but they come as part of the product.

Example:

Microsoft Office has the following:

Excel
Outlook
PowerPoint
Word
Tools - many items listed under here

For me I do not use PowerPoint. Should I be upset with Microsoft for including PowerPoint. I guess I could have done a Custom Install and not installed PowerPoint but I don't really see the point. Also, I don't think I have ever used anything in Tools. But it is there.

Again, if you are only talking about where they placed it, I can see that maybe they placed it in the wrong placed. But I don't have a problem with it being part of iTunes.

Well, actually, those icons in your start menu are all just shortcut links. They can be easily changed around just by right-clicking one of them and selecting "Open File Location." So I cleaned out a bunch of apps out of my Start Menu that I never use, and it makes my computer feel cleaner? Yeah, much cleaner.

On on the note of MobileMe, I wish Apple would give us the option of either attaching it to your control panel, or not, but oh well. Stink Apple and there stinky little ways...