I agree, I’m not saying that we should not have concerns about this. It opens doors to privacy invasion, with less altruistic purposes than fighting child abuse. I just think that we have to understand well what this is (and what this isn’t) about
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Apple Introducing New Child Safety Features, Including Scanning Users' Photo Libraries for Known Sexual Abuse Material
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This seems a little too "Red Light Camera" automated law enforcement for my taste. If this risk is suddenly 100% my responsibility I think it's time to reevaluate how much we really need to have smartphones.
Nice intention. But I'm pretty sure the law of unintended consequences is about to rear its ugly head.
Comments on this post are half of the reason why fake news spreads. Sometimes, organisations spread sensationalist headlines to increase virality.
But sometimes, people don't even read the damn article - ONLY THE HEADLINE. @arn and others have been pretty clear in some responses, "the ONLY images being flagged are those whose hashes match a database that is maintained by those who combat child exploitation."
But sometimes, people don't even read the damn article - ONLY THE HEADLINE. @arn and others have been pretty clear in some responses, "the ONLY images being flagged are those whose hashes match a database that is maintained by those who combat child exploitation."
So you prefer that Apple allow its iCloud network and infrastructure to be used to commit crimes?
so if I understand correctly, the communications one (suspected photos attached to messages) is a parental control thing - think that is actually ok.
The comparison of iCloud photos to a known database (which I'm guessing is controlled by some government authority) seems to be a good thing too.
So oppose to so many here - I think this is actually a good move ....
The comparison of iCloud photos to a known database (which I'm guessing is controlled by some government authority) seems to be a good thing too.
So oppose to so many here - I think this is actually a good move ....
It’s always been “100% your responsibility” to not possess child pornography. This is not a change, other than increasing the likelihood you will be caught. And if you do possess such images, I want you to be caught.
i prefer apple to offer privacy and encryption for the user....
What they are really looking for are politically dissenting memes.
I hope these coders realize that in other countries taking pictures of children running around in the grass without any clothes on is normal during a holiday or family picnic, Europeans and Russians do this.
Sure they may not match a known hash but still.
I had to tell my friend from Russia please be careful what they send to me from their picnic and holiday and they were like what?!? Westerners are weird.
Sure they may not match a known hash but still.
I had to tell my friend from Russia please be careful what they send to me from their picnic and holiday and they were like what?!? Westerners are weird.
That’s a pretty right wing view of the issue and something a cop would say. You think all the people in jail are actually guilty? Do you think (in the USA) people on death row (or worse, those killed) are all guilty? Innocent people get their lives ruined all the time! Is that worth it to catch horrible people? Most people say ‘yes’… until THEY are wrongfully accused.
I’m sure this can be done well. It seems that they only look for *known* childhood exploitation images to find matches so that’s fine. As long as their false positive rate is zero - and no third party gets to ‘review them manually’, I have no problem with this.
Let’s just wait until all the facts are known, the dust has settled, and people (on both ‘sides’) just calm down. As a medical specialist I have many (deidentified) medical photos, some of children… secure & encrypted in iCloud so nobody can see them but me. I don’t want Apple to damage this trust.
If you possess child porn, you are guilty. It’s not that complicated.
It’s something a parent would say, not something a cop would say.
if a malicious person gets ahold of your iPhone - report it stolen, remote lock it and what not ...
One thing everyone has to realize: you do not own your data in the Cloud.
Yes, you heard me right.
When you upload your data to any cloud service, including iCloud, the data for that sits on that provider's servers, putting them in possession of it. So when any federal entity investigating you or any person, they do not require a warrant to access your data there, because since the data is owned by a 3rd party, that 3rd party is not privy to that warrant, so only a subpoena from a clerk of the court is needed.
Oh, PSA: Any lawyer is a clerk of the court. They can create their own subpoena and execute it (it does not need to be signed off by the court), and delivered to that 3rd party for whatever purposes are listed in that subpoena, including providing any and all data needed for their investigation. They do not need to go directly to you for that. A report was done on this and posted in PRSI about it roughly 8 years ago:
Your Digital Trail: Does The Fourth Amendment Protect Us?
Could government agents really get access to all your private data in less than a minute? Experts say no but warn we are moving in that direction.www.npr.org
How that is relevant here: if such abusive photos or worse is located on Apple's servers, Apple could possibly be charged with the harboring of such photos, putting them in legal liability, along with being subpoenaed to answer questions about who uploaded those pictures, when, etc. Then the investigators could go after the person that did it. In the end, Apple gets dinged on legal charges, as well as the uploader. Apple is looking at how to get out of those legal issues with this.
Again, I'm not saying whether it is morally or ethically right or wrong, but they also are looking after themselves with this.
BL.
Your post sets up the tragic punchline: this system scans for things on YOUR phone, not just in iCloud thereby refuting the whole “Apple will get in trouble if these images are on their servers” thing. We already knew iCloud photos and documents were scanned but doing it on device even when iCloud is disabled is a whole other kettle of fish.
The scenario I described is one where someone is trying to victimize you, not one where you're legitimately guilty of anything. It seems that it is now easier for that to happen.
The problem here though is that what Apple is doing also scans your photos in iCloud, so iCloud is included with this.
BL.
Ironic coming from the company that preaches about data privacy.
Apple sucks now. No different from google.
Tim Cook even lied to Congress saying China wasn’t stealing from them.
Apparently Apple has been scanning your emails for a while now. https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomas...ls-when-it-finds-child-abuse/?sh=1e0df47731c2
So much for Tim Cook and his privacy bull5hit.
So much for Tim Cook and his privacy bull5hit.
I'm sorry, Jimmy. I think you're the one who doesn't understand. The fact that Apple will be scanning our messages at all is a red flag event.
I don't mind facial recognition for personal use as it really helps with photo organizing. I do have issues with someone scanning my photos looking for things to report. And there are other ways for this to be exploited. I understand what they are doing but I do not like it. As others have said this is a slipper slope.