Other Apple is slowing down older iPhones based on battery wear level [MERGED]

[Radon87000]

"Pretty well" apparently isn't good enough for those who spend more time looking at geekbench tests than they do communicating with real people.

Core iPhone owners are into a brand new iPhone long before they need a replacement battery. That's the realm of the Craigslist crowd.

Why do you keep trying to call out the Craigslist crowd? In fact I am pretty sure the majority iPhone owners aren’t as rich as you are trying to make out as I know people on minimum wage who can afford iPhones.

And if I had that much money that I could blow on iPhones I still wouldn’t spend it on a greedy money hungry corporation like Apple. Any deal where I can exploit Apple’s replacement programs for my benefit I would do it six ways till Sunday. They deserve it for trying to pull a fast one one me. I would rather get the latest iPhone and give the surplus money to charity or invest in the stock market.

 

[LovingTeddy]

Why do you keep trying to call out the Craigslist crowd? In fact I am pretty sure the majority iPhone owners aren’t as rich as you are trying to make out as I know people on minimum wage who can afford iPhones.

And if I had that much money that I could blow on iPhones I still wouldn’t spend it on a greedy money hungry corporation like Apple. Any deal where I can exploit Apple’s replacement programs for my benefit I would do it six ways till Sunday. They deserve it for trying to pull a fast one one me. I would rather get the latest iPhone and give the surplus money to charity or invest in the stock market.

I have seen people using iPhone 5 currently. Most people do not upgrade or change phone until they absoutely needs to.

Not like someone think people change iPhone every year

 

[srsub3]

the feature is not available in last generation phones (8, 8+, X) just because they are... the latest. Other question: why aren't we experiencing this with iPad Air? Just because they are not designed for a 2 years commitment?

 

[Radon87000]

the feature is not available in last generation phones (8, 8+, X) just because they are... the latest. Other question: why aren't we experiencing this with iPad Air? Just because they are not designed for a 2 years commitment?

iPad sales are very sensitive. If Apple tries to screw with the customer on iPad, sales might tank. The iPhone is a very strong product and can resist scandals like these.

The iPhone X will get this "Feature" when X 2018 releases

 

[I7guy]

iPad sales are very sensitive. If Apple tries to screw with the customer on iPad, sales might tank. The iPhone is a very strong product and can resist scandals like these.

The iPhone X will get this "Feature" when X 2018 releases

Or iPads aren’t as sensitive as you think. iPads typically aren’t used in the same harsh environments as iPhones and maybe aren’t subject to the same thresholds as iPhones.

 

[aevan]

iPad sales are very sensitive. If Apple tries to screw with the customer on iPad, sales might tank. The iPhone is a very strong product and can resist scandals like these.

The iPhone X will get this "Feature" when X 2018 releases

Or.... or - iPad has a much larger battery that can provide enough wattage even when significantly degraded.

But hey, why stick to facts when we can present it in a way that Apple looks really bad?

 

[Radon87000]

Or iPads aren’t as sensitive as you think. iPads typically aren’t used in the same harsh environments as iPhones and maybe aren’t subject to the same thresholds as iPhones.

iPads are used for longer than iPhones. 5 years out of an iPad results in battery wear at around 70% or below. Why is there no threat of random shutdown at such high wear levels?

And who says iPads arent used in harsh environments? I have a cellular iPad Pro which I use everyday alongside my iPhone and its used more than my iPhone in fact
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Or.... or - iPad has a much larger battery that can provide enough wattage even when significantly degraded.

But hey, why stick to facts when we can present it in a way that Apple looks really bad?

The power requirements of iPad are also correspondingly higher. The iPad typically gets a turbocharged version of the iPhone chip.

 

[I7guy]

iPads are used for longer than iPhones. 5 years out of an iPad results in battery wear at around 70% or below. Why is there no threat of random shutdown at such high wear levels?

And who says iPads arent used in harsh environments? I have a cellular iPad Pro which I use everyday alongside my iPhone and its used more than my iPhone in fact

I say, IMO, iPads aren’t typically used in the same harsh environments as iPhones. My almost 7 year old iPad 2 still has a good few hours of longevity probably reflecting that it’s an indoor only device not used in extreme temperatures.

 

[Radon87000]

I say, IMO, iPads aren’t typically used in the same harsh environments as iPhones. My almost 7 year old iPad 2 still has a good few hours of longevity probably reflecting that it’s an indoor only device not used in extreme temperatures.

Well you use the iPad as an indoor device. I don't. It's with me throughout the day and I use it more than my iPhone because I like the bigger display. I also don't treat my iPhone harshly at all. I dont allow the battery percentage to fall below 30% and I typically only charge it to 80%. I don't do overnight charging. I don't even use the iPad charger. I use the slower 5W one. In comparison I don't take as much care of my iPad battery.

If despite all this the device is throttling, Apple is using subpar batteries. That's the only conclusion. My guess is that the iPhone X 2018 will not have this issue. I am certain of it. Apple will now change their suppliers now that they have been caught.

 

[I7guy]

Well you use the iPad as an indoor device. I don't. It's with me throughout the day and I use it more than my iPhone because I like the bigger display. I also don't treat my iPhone harshly at all. I dont allow the battery percentage to fall below 30% and I typically only charge it to 80%. I don't do overnight charging. I don't even use the iPad charger. I use the slower 5W one. In comparison I don't take as much care of my iPad battery.

If despite all this the device is throttling, Apple is using subpar batteries. That's the only conclusion. My guess is that the iPhone X 2018 will not have this issue. I am certain of it. Apple will now change their suppliers now that they have been caught.

Hence the use of the word typically. I see very few people with iPads walking around Manhattan. So while your use case might be carry your iPad 24x7, most peoples is not imo. And hence my postulation about the battery.

I don’t see your conclusion as being a fact based conclusion; it’s an opinion based “conclusion “.

 

[Hal~9000]

If despite all this the device is throttling, Apple is using subpar batteries. That's the only conclusion. My guess is that the iPhone X 2018 will not have this issue. I am certain of it. Apple will now change their suppliers now that they have been caught.

Agreed.

Apple is purposely using crappy batteries in iPhones, probably to protect its profits via planned obsolescence & influence customers to upgrade every 2-years.

Why else would Apple state that the iPhone's battery decreases to 80% capacity after ONLY 500 charge cycles... yet somehow the Apple Watch (much smaller battery capacity than iPhone), iPad (much greater battery capacity than iPhone), and MacBook Air (much more power hungry processor than iPhone) all have batteries which only decrease to 80% after 1,000 charge cycles?

At least Samsung upped their game and quoted the S8 + Note 8's batteries would retain 95% of their capacity after 2-years worth of charges and discharges... why can't Apple do the same with their phones?

Really makes you think

 

[boltjames]

Agreed.

Apple is purposely using crappy batteries in iPhones, probably to protect its profits via planned obsolescence & influence customers to upgrade every 2-years.

Why else would Apple state that the iPhone's battery decrease to 80% capacity after only 500 charge cycles... while the iPad (more power hungry than iPhone) and Apple Watch (smaller capacity than iPhone) will only decrease to 80% after 1000 charge cycles?

At least Samsung upped their game and quoted the Note 8's battery would retain 95% of its capacity after 2-years of usage... why can't Apple do the same with their phones?

Really makes you think

The iPad has a massively sized battery and the Watch has a battery that's massive compared to those that power Casio's for several years, hardly fair comparisons to a laptop that fits in your pocket. Samsung owners tend to run older operating systems just like almost all Android owners do.

I don't think that Apple would take the cheap route on their most important product category. I think that the advances in functionality since iOS 8 have pushed older processors to their limits and that, in turn, requires more battery than the thin designs are capable of handling. So they power manage to let older owners get the newest features.

Apple's big mistake? They are being too kind to their older consumers. They should cut them loose. The minute an iPhone is discontinued and no longer being sold in an Apple store, boom, the last good version of the OS the phone was designed for is locked and no further updates to newer iOS versions are allowed.

Those in-the-know do this already anyway. My iPad Air II is running iOS 10 and I will never push it beyond that. Apple should just make this a rule and not an option.

 

[I7guy]

Agreed.

Apple is purposely using crappy batteries in iPhones, probably to protect its profits via planned obsolescence & influence customers to upgrade every 2-years.

Why else would Apple state that the iPhone's battery decrease to 80% capacity after only 500 charge cycles... while the iPad (more power hungry than iPhone) and Apple Watch (smaller capacity than iPhone) will only decrease to 80% after 1000 charge cycles?

At least Samsung upped their game and quoted the Note 8's battery would retain 95% of its capacity after 2-years of usage... why can't Apple do the same with their phones?

Really makes you think

Really makes you think Samsung might be stretching the truth or have done “magic technology” the rest of the world doesn’t. Notice the metrics you are citing are dissimilar.

 

[Phone Junky]

Apple's big mistake? They are being too kind to their older consumers. They should cut them loose. The minute an iPhone is discontinued and no longer being sold in an Apple store, boom, the last good version of the OS the phone was designed for is locked and no further updates to newer iOS versions are allowed.

Those in-the-know do this already anyway. My iPad Air II is running iOS 10 and I will never push it beyond that. Apple should just make this a rule and not an option.

The number of devices running the newest OS is one of their "bragging" points at their events.

 

[Radon87000]

Really makes you think Samsung might be stretching the truth or have done “magic technology” the rest of the world doesn’t. Notice the metrics you are citing are dissimilar.

Or maybe after the battery fiasco they went all out on getting the best possible batteries with no focus on cost as one more fiasco like that and they are finished.

 

[aevan]

The power requirements of iPad are also correspondingly higher. The iPad typically gets a turbocharged version of the iPhone chip.

Sure, but not that much higher, while the battery is literally 5x larger.

Apple says the iPad does need these measures, but if you want to believe they are lying about it, there’s nothing I can say to convince you otherwise.

For everone else, it’s really simple: iPhone shuts down when battery gets degraded to a certain point because of the design choices Apple made. iPad does not. Therefore, the iPhone throttles when the battery is no longer adequate, and the iPad does not.

 

[I7guy]

Or maybe after the battery fiasco they went all out on getting the best possible batteries with no focus on cost as one more fiasco like that and they are finished.

Metrics are still dissimilar and therefore can’t equate usage. Having said that Samsung does not have any proprietary battery technology, which makes me wonder what their usage case is.

 

[aevan]

Or maybe after the battery fiasco they went all out on getting the best possible batteries with no focus on cost as one more fiasco like that and they are finished.

Batteries Apple uses are high-quality. What they will probably do, and have already started, is to start squeezing in bigger capacity (and heavier) batteries in phones (at the cost of weight, like in the case of iPhone X).
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Really makes you think Samsung might be stretching the truth or have done “magic technology” the rest of the world doesn’t. Notice the metrics you are citing are dissimilar.

No, they are stretching the truth. There is no magical battery technology that Apple can use (and they supposedly don’t because they are cheap, or crooks, or whatever some people here fantasize about). They need to put bigger capacity batteries so they can keep up with power demands for longer, even after they degrade.

 

[boltjames]

The number of devices running the newest OS is one of their "bragging" points at their events.

Yes. And that's the mistake, not all this throttling stuff and class action lawsuit stuff. They need to freeze old iPhone's and hold back on providing old iPhone owners the new features.

Solves the problem on the firmware side, then it's just about if/when an owner wants to replace a battery and if/when he wants new features found in newer iPhone's.

 

[I7guy]

Yes. And that's the mistake, not all this throttling stuff and class action lawsuit stuff. They need to freeze old iPhone's and hold back on providing old iPhone owners the new features.

Solves the problem on the firmware side, then it's just about if/when an owner wants to replace a battery and if/when he wants new features found in newer iPhone's.

I don’t want my 5s or 6 or 6s held back from new updates. If you want to stay on a particular release you shouldn’t update.

 

[tomjleeds]

The iPad has a massively sized battery and the Watch has a battery that's massive compared to those that power Casio's for several years, hardly fair comparisons to a laptop that fits in your pocket. Samsung owners tend to run older operating systems just like almost all Android owners do.

I don't think that Apple would take the cheap route on their most important product category. I think that the advances in functionality since iOS 8 have pushed older processors to their limits and that, in turn, requires more battery than the thin designs are capable of handling. So they power manage to let older owners get the newest features.

Apple's big mistake? They are being too kind to their older consumers. They should cut them loose. The minute an iPhone is discontinued and no longer being sold in an Apple store, boom, the last good version of the OS the phone was designed for is locked and no further updates to newer iOS versions are allowed.

Those in-the-know do this already anyway. My iPad Air II is running iOS 10 and I will never push it beyond that. Apple should just make this a rule and not an option.

This is all irrelevant as the 6S, 7, and SE are all still being sold in Apple stores.

The throttling has been introduced in iOS 10 for devices which launched with iOS 9, and iOS 11 for devices which launched with iOS 10.

Yes. And that's the mistake, not all this throttling stuff and class action lawsuit stuff. They need to freeze old iPhone's and hold back on providing old iPhone owners the new features.

Solves the problem on the firmware side, then it's just about if/when an owner wants to replace a battery and if/when he wants new features found in newer iPhone's.

The problem isn't that the new software is more demanding, the problem is that the batteries are degrading.

If your device can't keep up with the software demands, the software runs slower, your phone doesn't run faster.

 

[Hal~9000]

Yes. And that's the mistake, not all this throttling stuff and class action lawsuit stuff. They need to freeze old iPhone's and hold back on providing old iPhone owners the new features.

Solves the problem on the firmware side, then it's just about if/when an owner wants to replace a battery and if/when he wants new features found in newer iPhone's.

Can't believe I just "liked" a boltjames post Feels like I'm in the bizarro world of Seinfeld or something

Agreed though. Wish Apple would focus more on keeping older models performance the same, even if that meant holding back iOS updates that the old hardware wasn't built for.

Hell... I'd be happy if you simply bought an iPhone with a certain iOS version, and it never got another major update beyond basic monthly security patches.

This way you wouldn't have to worry about a future iOS update (say iOS 10 -> 11) screwing up your devices performance / battery life.

 

[Phone Junky]

Can't believe I just "liked" a boltjames post Feels like I'm in the bizarro world of Seinfeld or something

After hundreds of posts, something he says is bound to make sense.

 

[The-Real-Deal82]

I don’t want my 5s or 6 or 6s held back from new updates. If you want to stay on a particular release you shouldn’t update.

I wouldn’t want my iPhones prevented from updating to new features either. Doing so would drive a lot of people away from iOS in a market where people are keeping phones longer. They already cost a lot of money so holding them back would diminish their appeal IMO.

I would never advise anybody not to update if one is available. We get constant security patches and not being up to date leaves your device vulnerable.,

 

[tonybarnaby]

Has anyone confirmed apple will institute these changes with the 8/x? The wording by Apple was ambiguous.

Any chance they make changes for the 2018 models, or would that be admitting defeat?