Apple is taking to long and I have changed why I am buying

[iamthedudeman]

I completely agree with you, I don't understand why people would want to go from having 1-2Tb HDD @ 7200 RPM to just a 256Gb solid state drive, sure it might boot faster but in the end of the day who cares -,-

Boot times is the least exciting aspect of a SSD. It makes everything faster, apps, transfers, sleep wake, everything is affected just about except CPU only extensive tasks.

A SSD in a Mac with a slower processor all the sudden makes that Mac faster than a Mac with a much better CPU but with a HD.

Stop being clueless and educate. Than appreciate.

End of Line.

 

[archer75]

Boot times is the least exciting aspect of a SSD. It makes everything faster, apps, transfers, sleep wake, everything is affected just about except CPU only extensive tasks.

A SSD in a Mac with a slower processor all the sudden makes that Mac faster than a Mac with a much better CPU but with a HD.

Stop being clueless and educate. Than appreciate.

End of Line.

Depends on a persons needs, speed or capacity. And what a persons options are for capacity. Even though I have many options for capacity outside of the mac i'd still like a large hard drive in it as it simplifies things for my needs. Though i'd opt for an additional SSD drive if it were an option because as you said, it speeds up FAR more than just boot times.

 

[iMikeT]

Really? Care to buy my 1.42ghz PowerPC? It's about that old, has 512MB RAM and 80GB hard drive. To make sure you won't accidentally use any new technology, most software released recently doesn't even run on PPC's.

It's not old enough.

 

[mackage]

Well considering the biggest bottleneck is the hdd.
SSD is way better for not only faster boot times and app launching, but better overall system experience-- faster wake up times , no moving parts for longevity, in app experience esp for games and editing.

Whats the point if a high end CPU with a bottlenecked hdd?

Do some more research before you bash things you dont quite seem to understand.

He wasnt bashing anything. He was stating facts. He pointed out that an SSD will save you very little time per day. Is that very little time worth the cost? Hell no.

 

[AppleNewton]

He wasnt bashing anything. He was stating facts. He pointed out that an SSD will save you very little time per day. Is that very little time worth the cost? Hell no.

Well get an SSD and tell me it's not worth it.

 

[iSayuSay]

Well get an SSD and tell me it's not worth it.

If you do search on youtube, SSD on imac still NOT load as fast/faster than on macbook air

So why bother spending extra $600 for 256 gb ssd on imac, which still behind mba in terms of boot time? While We know imac hardware times better than mba

I might as well get mba for a bit extra money, rather than spending it for 256 gb ssd. Unless apple puts blade ssd for their new imac, they don't perform equally, ssd blade on board still better than sata ssd.

To make it worth the money, Apple should offer additional 128Gb SSD on iMac for $200, like on new Macbook pro .. that would be sweet !!

EDIT: Comparison videos to support my post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LxkjvLi56w&feature=related --> SSD iMac vs SSD MBA boot time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQjwA0WeQv0&feature=related --> SSD MBP vs SSD MBA boot time

 

[AppleNewton]

Well it's Apple that doesn't make it worth it with their pricing doesn't make owning an SSD not worth it.

The speed tests are really dependent on the ssds apple decided to use, it all varies

 

[archer75]

If you do search on youtube, SSD on imac still NOT load as fast/faster than on macbook air

So why bother spending extra $600 for 256 gb ssd on imac, which still behind mba in terms of boot time? While We know imac hardware times better than mba

I might as well get mba for a bit extra money, rather than spending it for 256 gb ssd. Unless apple puts blade ssd for their new imac, they don't perform equally, ssd blade on board still better than sata ssd.

To make it worth the money, Apple should offer additional 128Gb SSD on iMac for $200, like on new Macbook pro .. that would be sweet !!

EDIT: Comparison videos to support my post
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LxkjvLi56w&feature=related --> SSD iMac vs SSD MBA boot time

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQjwA0WeQv0&feature=related --> SSD MBP vs SSD MBA boot time

Boot time isn't the whole story. It's not even the most important part of getting a SSD. And I admit apple pricing on them is ridiculous. But they do make a world of difference. And performance can vary wildly from one brand to another. If it was something I was going to get I would buy my own elsewhere and install in an imac myself.

 

[philipma1957]

If T-bolt boots it makes internal ssd worthless.

Except for people that endlessly choose form over function.


Oh! thats right imac = form over function.

 

[jborko]

A quick look at the Staples web site shows them offering a 2TB Seagate external USB drive for $131.

When you can find a 2TB SSD for $150, then the change might happen. At the moment, SSD is way too expensive for high capacity use. I have 4TB of external storage on my iMac, and paid about $ 400 for the drives. No SSD is going to offer that capacity at that price anytime soon.

SSDs can still fail anyway. Considering the sheer number of HDDs out, they are pretty reliable anyway. I've never had an HDD fail in 5 years of using Macs and 20 years of using Windows systems.

I agree...
But from technology point of view I think that SSD is not so expensive to make and they are currently overpriced. HDDs are still kept alive with their low price and wide usage while having SSD on the marked for the nerds and rich people. Nerd or rich person will not have a problem to pay 400-600 for a drive smaller then the HDD. Also psychology is forcing many people to look in the storage numbers as most relevant ones while there are many other aspects that can bring the performance up.

Everything is moving to cloud computing now... that is where the strategy is... Having fiber connection or high speed wireless connection and having every possible media in the cloud. This is saving space, energy, brings profit to large companies etc.

In essence I realized that I personally do not need more than 1 TB of space if I am not working with Video. Music and Movies is streamed from the cloud and rest of the things on your computer do not take that much space really... OK, maybe photos, but that also depends on your level of involvement in photography.

So to sum up... SSD and the Cloud are the future, HDD days are numbered. Apple and rest of computer manufacturers are trying to profit as much as possible before moving to next technology... That's the consumer economy, and we can do little to change it.

 

[bennettave]

Well get an SSD and tell me it's not worth it.

Unrelated grammar question:

is "an SSD" correct because of the S or should it be "a SSD" as if you read the expanded phrase?

I'm not saying you're wrong. Just wondering if there's a grammar standard for this.

 

[simsaladimbamba]

Unrelated grammar question:

is "an SSD" correct because of the S or should it be "a SSD" as if you read the expanded phrase?

I'm not saying you're wrong. Just wondering if there's a grammar standard for this.

It is "an SSD", as you pronounce every letter and the "S" starts with an "e" if you pronounce it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_articles#Indefinite_article

 

[yamaduc]

Cloud computing is not the way to go IMHO.

I prefer to work on my files locally with local backups to an external drive.

Cloud computing is the new buzz word.

It's better to set up Virtual Machines and take snap shots of the OS, this way you can restore the entire OS, from a certain state.

I do dev work and this is a god send.
Run Windows, Linux, Open Solaris all on the same machine.

<back to topic>

 

[I AM THE MAN]

Same here...

I am expecting news for third month already and it is killing me. I have no machine of my own, and I've been waiting for ages to move to Mac. I read people rumoring about every aspect but I didn't see a rumor saying whether 2011 will have easily accessible disk bay... This would help a lot... Not needing to tear down the whole computer just for a HDD upgrade. So I hope they make this happen.

So basically I changed my mind for the SSD and RAM upgrade and decided to buy it default and then once required to add SSD and/or RAM if I decide that I need them (I surely do, but it's matter of timing and funding). I also changed my mind on going for the Highest End i7, but that still bugs me, so I guess I'll have to wait and see few things:

1. What will "Sandy" give us on the benchmarks...

2. Whether Apple by chance will decide that 4GB RAM is too little and will make 8GB standard (tough one... but Apple, seriously, 4GB RAM is so '00...)

3. Situation with the SSD... HDD should be discontinued according to me, and factories shut down... Everything is pointing that future is with the SSD (no noise, better reliability, less heat etc). But I think consumers will be milked few more years before full transition is made.

I hope at least 2 of my "wishes" to become true...

Im sure the refresh will occur within the next week. Hold on just a tiny bit longer...We'll all be happy (me too, because im in the market to buy an iMac).

 

[jborko]

Im sure the refresh will occur within the next week. Hold on just a tiny bit longer...We'll all be happy (me too, because im in the market to buy an iMac).

I am trying indeed... Although I have to be honest that priorities are changing, and I might even ditch the Mac/or buy Mac Mini and for the rest of the money travel somewhere and enjoy a little bit instead of stressing on forums while expecting someone to offer you a chance to give them your hard earned money. (2000€ ~ 3000$ )

It seems like everyone is begging now Steve to take our money and he is not in a hurry...

But I understand how all works they need at least 9 months to finish things up... 1 month getting ready for updates, synching with suppliers, dependancies on other companies and supplies, securing internal fundings, making plans, building the solution, quality checks, software checks... All takes time, and people are working there too, so no wonder, they need almost a year for a refresh (280 calendar days is actually ~190 effective working days, so actually Apple is keeping good pace with their time)