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Is adding a 3rd size (6.1") as the 2018 affordable iPhone a reasonable choice for the customer?

  • Yeah, introducing a 3rd iPhone size for a more affordable price point is totally reasonable for me

    Votes: 58 70.7%
  • No, it's just your usual move by bean counter Tim, but totally unreasonable for the customer

    Votes: 24 29.3%

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Well when you break down all the carriers, models, capacities and colors there are over 200 variants of the iphone currently being sold.
To add this one point, the carrier thing may apply only to your country, and to your country alone in the world. Most of the rest of the world buy their phones at unsubsidized prices.
 
OK. I've just compared the Samsung S8 and S8 to the iPhone X. The Samsungs offer around exactly the same screen real estate at 10 (S9) to 20 grams (S8) less weight. Yeah, I know the iPhone has 3D Touch and wireless charging and we are literally comparing here apples to oranges. :) But in my scenario I just want a conveniently sized screen, in a relatively low weight-to-body ratio, I don't care about having the best camera. A good enough one is good enough for me.

The use of stainless steel is a big contributor to the weight of the iPhone X. It weighs about 3X as much as aluminum. The 6.1” model is expected to use aluminum.
 
Once again, look at competing products from Samsung and Huawei.
OK, I'm not sure how good this comparison for you: comparing the iPhone X to the Google Pixel phones. Since the Pixel 2 XL is the only Google phone yet with an ultra wide angle screen (2:1), let's compare the iPhone X with that! Extra screen real estate adds extra weight; that's why this is the only Google phone we can compare the iPhone X yet. So the Pixel 2 XL is about the same weight as the iPhone X (175g) but it is more like the equivalent of the upcoming iPhone X Plus in terms of useful screen real estate. I know, I know. It's not exactly the same. But it competes in the phablet category of devices, unlike the iPhone X. And it has a good enough camera. Maybe not good enough for everyone, but good enough for quite a few people. Speaking of people like me who value a sleek device over one packing all the latest bells and whistles, but compromising on being lightweight.
 
For the sake of argument in this argument, let's take aside the 4" iPhone SE size and that form factor's future. For the sake of this argument let's only consider:

- The old 4.7" (16:9) iPhone which has transmuted into the 5.8" (19.5:9) iPhone

- The old 5.5" (16:9) iPhone which is being transmuted into the 6.5" (19.5:9) iPhone

Notes to geeks: the 6.5" (19.5:9) in 16:9 terms would be the same old 5.5" iPhone, while the 5.8" (19.5:9) iPhone in 16:9 terms would be an 5" iPhone, not a 4.7" iPhone. Probably because you'd never need something bigger in 16:9 terms than 5.5," but as for the smaller iPhone, the market may have changed a bit, or it's just became more feasible engineering-wise to go from 4.7" (16:9) to 5" (16:9) for Apple. Remember, Apple's usual strategy is not to be first, but to execute a strategy well. But hey! It's OK. Remember how Android phones went from 4.7" to 5" (16:9) years ago? I hope you could follow my basic calculations 16:9 and 19.5:9-wise.

So Apple could just offer the affordable 2018 iPhones in 5.8" and 6.5", 19.5:9; the same sizes as the more expensive, "Pro" or whatever you call them, models. Why not. I just totally don't get why introducing a 3rd size (6.1") for the affordable model makes sense... for the consumer. If it's a move by bean counter Tim, then I can understand. But that doesn't mean the move is friendly for Apple consumers.

The Pro models sure have the optimal sizes (5.8" and 6.5" 19.5:9), right? Heck, if you paid full price, you can expect them to be the perfect size. But what is one doesn't care for the dual cameras, probably better OLED screen, 3D Touch; he or she just wants a 2018 iPhone of the perfect size (with face ID; nothing more, nothing less); he or she then has to cough up the full "Pro" price just to have one of the perfect screen sizes for this new class of devices (5.8" or 6.5") not a compromised screen size (6.1"). I hope you can follow me so far.

For a historical comparison, we can take the cheap 9.7" iPad vs. the new, 10.5" iPad Pro. The story is similar in a way that if you want the perfect size of iPad (10.5") you should cough up roughly twice the price ($649 vs. $329 for the base models). But hey; the iPad story is not the same as the iPhone story. Not long ago the 9.7" iPad was the best iPad ever, or the best small iPad, so it's just cheaper for Apple to produce this form factor longer with their partners (Foxconn, Pegatron, who else?). But the iPhone story is different; bean counter Tim just plans to introduce this brand new, compromised size (6.1") only to make you go Pro if the only pro feature you care is the perfect size. I don't like what I see here.

For the sake of this argument, let's take rumors by face value. If history doesn't fool us, by this time we can take iPhone rumors by face value.
Apple hasn't introduced anything yet. Rumor does not equate to fact.
 
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TLDR. That said, can live with the current 8/X size or smaller, would not want bigger (feels right in my hand). I replace my phones every three years, so, don't care what direction next year's phones go and will worry about the line-up and $$ hit in 2020.

Re: 200 different iPhone configurations being sold: if rumors are correct, 2018 phones will help lower the number of models since they are rumored to all have the same Intel modem in them. Assuming similar to 2017 with three colors, two memory sizes, you are looking at 18 different combinations vs. 2017 32 combinations.

As mentioned, this is all rumor and still months away. A little early to get one's underwear in a knot, imo.
 
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Because within a year (I call March 2019) the SE will go edge to edge giving you a 4.7 inch phone. That’s for the normal 6,6s,7,8 crew who don’t want the X or the new 6.1.

Covers all options. Those who want to upgrade will get the 6.1 “cheap” option. The holdouts will go for the 4.7 6 months later.
 
Because within a year (I call March 2019) the SE will go edge to edge giving you a 4.7 inch phone. That’s for the normal 6,6s,7,8 crew who don’t want the X or the new 6.1.

I would say that also depends if Apple updates the SE 2 with a refresh this year or not. Otherwise, the new and only existing models will be the 6.1/5.8 /6.5 iPhones.
 
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And the glass backing and added internal wireless components contribute to the weight.
A nice little technical fact you have found.

It's also a fact, a marketing fact, that quite a few people (people like me) care more about the net weight of the device they carry each day than the aesthetics of steel and glass, or the occoasional ability to wirelessly charge in a coffee shop once in a while. At home, I agree with most tech bloggers, like Daring Fireball, you (or I at least) won't really use wireless charging anyway.
 
Yes, it makes 200% sense. People usually want the best bang for their buck. So they get a bigger product for less money. It'll sell like hot cakes.
 
A nice little technical fact you have found.

It's also a fact, a marketing fact, that quite a few people (people like me) care more about the net weight of the device they carry each day than the aesthetics of steel and glass, or the occoasional ability to wirelessly charge in a coffee shop once in a while. At home, I agree with most tech bloggers, like Daring Fireball, you (or I at least) won't really use wireless charging anyway.

I think the weight of the iPhone X is either one of those phones that you adjust or you constantly notice it. And when it is in your pocket, is when you really notice it. One thing I liked about the iPhone 6/6S/7 was the 7000 series aluminum housing is fairly light And durable.
 
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Because within a year (I call March 2019) the SE will go edge to edge giving you a 4.7 inch phone. That’s for the normal 6,6s,7,8 crew who don’t want the X or the new 6.1.

Covers all options. Those who want to upgrade will get the 6.1 “cheap” option. The holdouts will go for the 4.7 6 months later.
Your math does not add up to me. The successor size-wise to the 4.7" form factor is the X, as both have the same number of virtual pixels or so called "points" horizontally. Which has a 6.8% wider screen horizontally, which adds up nicely to slightly smaller bezels: https://www.paintcodeapp.com/news/ultimate-guide-to-iphone-resolutions

As for elongating the 4" form factor and you get 4.7"... Yes, but that's not the same 4.7" as the 16:9 4.7" had been before on the horizontal side. It's still just a successor of the 4" size. As different as the target markets are for the 4" and the 4.7" models, as different are the would-be users for the X and the supposed successor to the SE (in the case of the X price and weight notwithstanding).

You may be interested in checking with your math further here as well: https://www.sven.de/dpi/
 
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I think the idea is that it's something that can satisfy both current 4.7 and 5.5 users by being intermediate in physical size. It's a way fo avoiding having to make two lower cost models.
 
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I think the idea is that it's something that can satisfy both current 4.7 and 5.5 users by being intermediate in physical size. It's a way fo avoiding having to make two lower cost models.
It's cool that you/someone at least have finally noticed this obvious fact in comment no. 42, kudos to you! ;)

Anyways, me as a person both appreciating the 4.7" (or add a little, a la X in a 16:9 form; let it be 5", see my first post for details) AND the 5.5" form, but both of them separately as they are the two perfect sizes of their own... I'm certainly not happy with merging them to make something mediocre, at least when concerning the not-so-ideal (6.1" in long form) size.
 
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There are probably a bunch people that felt the 112g iPhone 5 was the heaviest phone they would carry. Those consumers left the train a few stops ago. New consumers who are willing to carry bigger and heavier phones are now onboard.

Yep, we got off the train when iphone 6/+ came along, but later hopped back on real quick to get the SE. We dread the day we are forced to use phablets. May we always have choice.
 
Yep, we got off the train when iphone 6/+ came along, but later hopped back on real quick to get the SE. We dread the day we are forced to use phablets. May we always have choice.

I’m still positive that Apple might launch an SE2 in the spring and then shift their focus to the larger iPhones in the fall. Or, they were retain the iPhone SE for at least another year in their lineup.
 
Yeah why not a 5.8 LCD version?

They need to separate the models physically. If Apple introduces 3 models and 2 of them look exactly the same from the front and are the exact same size, it will be difficult to lure people into buying the 5.8" OLED model (Apple prefers to sell the expensive ones obviously). Now the 6.1" LCD model will be different enough and more easily marketable next to the 2 premium models. I see the 6.1" LCD model as a 14" MacBook model between the 13" and 15' MacBook Pro models.
 
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In the end it’s all about fragmentation, which does suck, but it’s their choice I guess. At least these recent increases in screen sizes should be the last ones, not much room to go from there.
 
I’m still positive that Apple might launch an SE2 in the spring and then shift their focus to the larger iPhones in the fall. Or, they were retain the iPhone SE for at least another year in their lineup.

I agree. Leaning toward next year though.
 
I’ll be baffled if they do not include 3D Touch with the LCD iPhone. It’s like Apple is going out of their way to fracture the consistent user experience across devices/lines.
 
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