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100% the guy who pays up front.

Some people seem to think the 0% APR is "free" but it isn't. 0% financing means you can't buy through the edu portal, which everyone is eligible for.

$4,999 Pro Display XDR -> $4,599
$1,999 Mac Studio -> $1,799

That's $600 of immediate savings, not to mention the generous cash back you get from credit cards.

So since we just had several weeks arguing Netflix TOS you are okay with stealing from Apple? If you don’t go to school or work for a school you are stealing from Apple.
 
nobody should ever finance electronics. if you have to, you can't afford it. interest-free is nice if you don't want a hit to your wallet but def not worth paying an APR
The one counterpoint - interest free financing is worth it if you invest over time - but I agree with the overarching sentiment.
 
in 72 months you make more money in investing than the initial $5000 you've missed. So you did the right thing :)
And the cashback on CC is very smart also. Nice work


I agree, but there is the risk of accidentally missing a payment. Most 0% APR offers are actually deferred interest. You miss a single payment and all the high rate interest hits you retroactively.
I have only once taken up a 0% APR offer and it was for 72 months on a car. If you didn’t take the 0% offer you also missed out on $5000 off MSRP. On the other hand, I charge everything possible to a credit card and pay in full monthly therefore I get interest free for the billing period plus 2-15% cash back.
 
only students and teachers are eligible. Just because Apple doesn't always check doesn't mean its open for everyone.
Also, if you pay upfront you lose money, not gain money as a lot of us above explained already.

Home school teachers are eligible.

I'm a home school teacher educating kids in the 'hood on how to browse MacRumors. Or I'm an Amish home school teacher educating fellow members.

There's a reason why Apple doesn't check because it's not possible.

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Dude, if you are homeschool teacher than you are a teacher so you qualify. Those of us that have other jobs don't because we are not homeschool teachers. Just because you think anyone can 'abuse' this doesn't mean its right!



Home school teachers are eligible. I'm a home school teacher educating kids in the 'hood on how to browse MacRumors. Or I'm an Amish home school teacher educating fellow members. There's a reason why Apple doesn't check because it's not possible.

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nobody should ever finance electronics. if you have to, you can't afford it. interest-free is nice if you don't want a hit to your wallet but def not worth paying an APR
I bought a 2021 refurb macbook pro 14" for my daughter (who is onto bigger things with her first new job) on financing. And while, you're generally right, I do think if you really need the machine to effectively function in your job & life (and this does apply to her) you should finance if you can't exactly come up with the funds at the time.
 
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100% the guy who pays up front.

Some people seem to think the 0% APR is "free" but it isn't. 0% financing means you can't buy through the edu portal, which everyone is eligible for.

$4,999 Pro Display XDR -> $4,599
$1,999 Mac Studio -> $1,799

That's $600 of immediate savings, not to mention the generous cash back you get from credit cards.
It's not always 100% the guy who pays up front. It depends on the situation. For instance, if you're starting up a business and free cash flow is limited at the moment, 0% financing may be the smarter option so you don't have your funds tied up.

If you keep the money in a high yield (5%+) savings account, that $600 in savings ends up being just $100 or so. Having liquidity may be better than saving $100-$200.

As for cash back credit cards, you get 3% cash back with Apple Card on top of the 0% APR

Now when you shop at Apple using Apple Card, you can pay monthly at 0% APR for your new iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple Watch, and eligible accessories when you choose to check out with Apple Card Monthly Installments. And you’ll get 3% Daily Cash back — all up front.

Is there another card that will give you 3% back too?
 
Why do you care what people do? You do you.

About 50% of Americans finance their phones, a bit lower in Europe but not all are interest-free. Apple and many others would be very different size companies if it wasn't for finance.
Because the popularity of and desensitization toward financing everything is artificially driving up prices for the rest of us.
 
I wouldn’t finance electronics but if a zero percent option is available like Apple Monthly Installments or Amazon Rewards Card’s 0% financing for purchases over a certain dollar amount I’ll often take advantage of it strictly for cash flow reasons. Especially if you can take some of the extra money you would have spent up front and put it in a high yield savings or checking account. You might only be talking about making a small sum of money but every little bit counts.
 
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So since we just had several weeks arguing Netflix TOS you are okay with stealing from Apple? If you don’t go to school or work for a school you are stealing from Apple.
But... but... it's not the same thing. For one, Apple's market cap is greater than Netflix's. Apple also has high margins. Therefore, Apple can absorb the loss easier. It's like an accounting error for Apple which makes it a-ok in JPack's eyes. Right? Right? 🤣
 
So since we just had several weeks arguing Netflix TOS you are okay with stealing from Apple? If you don’t go to school or work for a school you are stealing from Apple.

Blame Apple for not defining what a "home school" teacher is.
 
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It's not always 100% the guy who pays up front. It depends on the situation. For instance, if you're starting up a business and free cash flow is limited at the moment, 0% financing may be the smarter option so you don't have your funds tied up.

If you keep the money in a high yield (5%+) savings account, that $600 in savings ends up being just $100 or so. Having liquidity may be better than saving $100-$200.

As for cash back credit cards, you get 3% cash back with Apple Card on top of the 0% APR

Now when you shop at Apple using Apple Card, you can pay monthly at 0% APR for your new iPhone, iPad, Mac, Apple Watch, and eligible accessories when you choose to check out with Apple Card Monthly Installments. And you’ll get 3% Daily Cash back — all up front.

Is there another card that will give you 3% back too?

No Apple Card in Canada, so the edu route + cash back card wins, let's say, 95% of the time?
 
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100% the guy who pays up front.

Some people seem to think the 0% APR is "free" but it isn't. 0% financing means you can't buy through the edu portal, which everyone is eligible for.

$4,999 Pro Display XDR -> $4,599
$1,999 Mac Studio -> $1,799

That's $600 of immediate savings, not to mention the generous cash back you get from credit cards.
Maybe Apple changed it recently but I did Apple’s 12 month 0% financing on my education store purchase last year.

Edit: I just checked and you can still stack the education discount, the back to school promotion, and 0% financing.
 
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nobody should ever finance electronics. if you have to, you can't afford it.
Modern day electronics are tools that we use every single day. You can’t expect people not to buy a smartphone just because they can’t afford it up front.
 
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Who's smarter, the person who pays $10,000+ up front for their Mac Studio and XDR display home studio setup or the person who takes advantage of Apple's 0% APR to buy the same setup and then take their time to pay it off over 12 months while freeing up those funds for something else (1 yr Treasury pays 5.33%, many 1 yr CDs pay 5%+)?
We all know that’s not the question to ask. The real question is, how many people who choose to finance actually invest that money instead? Or from Apple’s perspective, how many fewer people purchase when up-front payment is the only option?
 
Modern day electronics are tools that we use every single day. You can’t expect people not to buy a smartphone just because they can’t afford it up front.
There are less expensive smartphones. Not everybody needs an iPhone 14 Pro Max. Get an SE instead.

The rampant abuse of low/no interest financing for frivolous purchases just gives Apple motivation to raise the price next time around.

If people who couldn’t afford the 14 Pro Max couldn’t finance one for free, the price would come down in order to enable Apple to sell more, still at a reasonable profit.
 
nobody should ever finance electronics. if you have to, you can't afford it. interest-free is nice if you don't want a hit to your wallet but def not worth paying an APR
If it's truly interest free technically every single person should take the interest free payment option and invest the money even in a basic savings acct while paying for the device. Math doesn't lie.
 
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With inflation so high in the U.K. if they still offer 0% here the iPhone becomes 8% cheaper over the 12 months..
 
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It's just a matter of time for the US.

one of the 2 things will happen.

The interest will be in the MSRP.

So you'll pay in full and pay the already included interest which is "hidden" in the price of the product.

or you'll do monthly payments and pay twice as much interest. (the already included hidden interest and the interest on financing)

and then they'll give you 3% back if you use your apple card. yeah...

Either way, Apple wins.
 
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