Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Seems like iPP is not the device for you then.

Well i just had high hopes for apple. Seems like they don't have any idea what pro means,

A better name would be apple iPad PROsumer lol.

No man, I like it just wish it was better thought out for artists. I'm sure it will evolve. Maybe the aftermarket will make up for its shortcomings.

I did state, no device I have bought is ideal, hence why I'm compromising and reviewing this for my mobile drawing painting needs. Since the companions lacks battery life.

I have another week on the return window to put it through its paces

I like your quote, makes sense from a marketing perspective also
 
Tried it out at the Apple Store. Loved it in OneNote!
Not sure how I feel about it in Paper - I can see myself that switching back and fourth between the Apple Pencil and the 53 Pencil (maybe). I can't WAIT to try it in SketchBook! I mainly use Sketchbook on the Surface Pro 3 - love it, but an all-iOS workflow just appeals to me so much!

I was unable to connect my Apple Pencil with Paper. They gave all sorts of advice like restarting your device and restarting your pencil and taking the batteries out. I don't have a clue how to do the last 2 things. Oh well.
 
Why would anyone want this only as a notebook? Pencil and paper is still far better than digital.

I think you are missing the point.

It's wrong to assume that only a superior technology will usurp the statue quo. Rather, it is the technology that you feel is less hindering that often has the best chance of propagating.

I only posited that iPad Pro / Pencil is a viable alternative for me because I sketch quite a lot and go through lots of paper and notebooks, and having used iPad Pro for a few days as a note/doodle/sketch pad, it is the first time I feel like I can stick with a device without feeling like it is slowing me down.

And as I said before, comparing Pencil to a Cintiq is like comparing Magic Mouse to an ergonomic gaming mouse; they are marketed towards different group.
 
  • Like
Reactions: AJsAWiz
Second, what makes you say the keyboard cover is a pos. What is your basis other than "Logitech does this" or "Microsoft has already done that".
Sorry, the keyboard has been nearly universally poorly reviewed in terms of design, material and fit and finish. Its garbage
 
  • Like
Reactions: turbineseaplane
Here's a review of the Pencil from Myke Hurley (some of you may know him from the Connected podcast he does with Federico Viticci and Stephen Hackett).

http://www.penaddict.com/blog/2015/11/23/apple-pencil-review

As a 1.0 product, I am astounded by just how well the Apple Pencil and iPad Pro work together. After only having used it for a few days, I am now at the point where I wouldn't want to go back. Being able to take quick notes or doodles whilst recording podcasts, having quick access to some sketching tools to mark up a document or screenshot, and having a new way to interact with iOS more precisely, has made the Pencil a must-have item in my toolkit.

I have recently switched to using a Wacom tablet to interact with my iMac, so I am becoming more and more used to operating computers in this way. But there is truly something to be said for being able to use the Pencil directly on iPad's screen, seeing the results happen almost immediately.

The work Apple has done to get the hardware and software in harmony to the point where this all works so flawlessly is astounding to me. The results I am able to achieve are just fantastic.

I have always been a pen guy. But now I'm a Pencil guy too.

And this is his handwriting sample:
1448256418977


I must say I'm baffled that Apple didn't provide review units to people that would really focus on the Pencil. I get that Apple doesn't want to pigeon hole this device as just something for artists but IMO the Pencil is quite amazing (especially for a 1st gen product) and you didn't really get that from the reviews. Certainly not Walt Mossberg's review. Other reviews just farmed it out to some illustrator to do a quick drawing. I don't consider that a proper review of the pencil. Honestly I think the Pencil is more than just an accessory (nobody is calling 3D Touch an accessory) and Apple should treat it as such.
 
Here's a review of the Pencil from Myke Hurley (some of you may know him from the Connected podcast he does with Federico Viticci and Stephen Hackett).

http://www.penaddict.com/blog/2015/11/23/apple-pencil-review

I feel that this review--like so many others--is comparing the pencil to other ipad styluses. No problems with a happy customer review--but I feel like it lacks context of reviews that specifically consider competitive products. The pencil is a fine product--but there is nothing here that the surface pen could not have done as well. (note--i earlier stipulated the pencil as being better than the surface pen overall)
 
  • Like
Reactions: Atomic Walrus
I feel that this review--like so many others--is comparing the pencil to other ipad styluses. No problems with a happy customer review--but I feel like it lacks context of reviews that specifically consider competitive products. The pencil is a fine product--but there is nothing here that the surface pen could not have done as well. (note--i earlier stipulated the pencil as being better than the surface pen overall)

I agree that the Pencil reviews are mostly worthless. The Pencil should be compared against Wacom Penabled (SP1/2, Note, Yoga Pro, etc), N-Trig (SP4 generation) and, to a lesser degree, the current Cintiq generation (I say lesser degree only because this digitizer isn't available in a device competitive to the SP4 or iPP).

The linearity is the main distinction vs SP4. Apple's apparently built a finer digitizer grid which significantly reduces the "stair step effect" seen when you make a slower diagonal or curved stroke on active capacitive digitizer pens (SP4 included). It's more expensive to make the digitizer this accurate. MS could easily decide to do this next year, but they didn't for the SP4. The 240hz polling rate doesn't hurt either, but if you test the iPP with a "dumb" stylus you'll find that linearity is still better at 120hz than the SP4's digitizer.

I still think the IPP pencil and tablet are ergonomically poor also. Tablet has no grip, is slick. To thin. Pencil is slick and uncomfortable for long periods of time. Screen has no resistance. The charging cap keeps coming off in my hands while drawing. But I can see as a sketchbook, the companion would suck.

Yeah, the aluminum shells are too slippery. I even remember this being a big complaint when Apple went from glass to aluminum iPhone backs with the iP5. I can find a lot of reasonable ways to hold onto it because it's not very heavy, but the Apple logo is the only grippy part of the back if you just want it to rest flat on your hand.

This is hardly a good solution for a $1000 device, but I've covered the back with clear packing tape, which makes the entire back about the same as the logo. Elegance - 10, ergonomics + 5. It's technically no different from the standard plastic screen protector, except that those are a full sheet and a slightly thicker plastic (and the application involves wetting the glue). Someone like Zagg will be selling a single-sheet version of this same idea within a month.

Is edge accuracy really an issue? I have not seen it in any of my wacom's. Not sure what that means.

They've improved it a lot, at this point it's more of a linearity error in the last inch of the screen than a serious drift. So depending on your stroke speeds it may never show up (like the SP4 diagonal wobble). I've seen it slightly better or worse on different units, different edges of the same unit, different models of Cintiq, etc. It's not a big deal, but you get a larger vertical area with perfect linearity if the screen is taller.
 
Last edited:
I'll keep playing with pressure, its just harder to control in certain situations. Going big to small airbrush dagger strokes is not working right now. Not a huge deal, I can adapt to other techniques. I'm just feeling less pressure control than Wacom. It's good enough though for most people.

I figured out what's wrong with the pressure in Procreate. It's too slow, basically not responsive, right? Turns out they're using a ton of pressure smoothing to reduce the appearance of prediction errors. Basically if pressure can't change very much between input points than the user is less likely to see corrections taking place.

Fine, I get that, but I really wish it had a slider. I've been investigating the pressure at start of line bug and in the process I've turned TouchCanvas into a barely functional paint program. The first thing I noticed after adding a brush size slider was that my pressure data was way more responsive.

It's a little technical, but the way the iPP is cutting pen lag vs N-trig is to send touch points that don't have final pressure data available yet (BT lag? some kind of interpolation that needs to be done to get accurate pressure readings?). The next frame these points will be updated with the final pressure data and you sometimes see them "pop" from the initial to final values. It might be slightly distracting, but it's preferable over lag (note that this is in addition to actual "predicted" touches, in which the positions are just guesses... the points I'm talking about have final position data).

I attached a shot from my hack-job paint program showing the sharper pressure response that the Pencil is theoretically capable of. It's up the Procreate devs to add a way to turn their smoothing effect up and down (I should start a feature request thread, but I think they're sick of me after all the posts about solving that pressure bug).

rBOivxy.jpg

Notice that the ends of heavy strokes have a natural taper, which is that you'd want to see from the pressure sensor (Procreate always smooths this out). The raw data looks really good to me, even with my poor-quality brush code (sharp angle changes instead of curve smoothing)
 
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.