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Apple Quietly Releases 802.11n Capable Airport Extreme [Updated]
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Check out this link. It says:
Does my Mac support 802.11n?
These Mac computers support 802.11n in the new AirPort Extreme Base Station using the included enabler software:
Obviously, these late-model Macs include N-compatible hardware and simply had the feature disabled.These Mac computers support 802.11n in the new AirPort Extreme Base Station using the included enabler software:
- iMac with Intel Core 2 Duo (except 17-inch, 1.83GHz iMac)
- MacBook with Intel Core 2 Duo
- MacBook Pro with Intel Core 2 Duo
- Mac Pro with AirPort Extreme card option
I suspect it's because GigE is still a bit pricey. At a local store, a 5-port 10/100 switch (the smallest you can buy) costs $15-40. A 5-port GigE switch costs $40-100. This tells me that upgrading the AirPort's internal switch to GigE would increase the price by about $30-50.I agree with the other posters, the absence of 1000BT is puzzling, although I guess for Gigabit Ethernet you could always just use the wireless-n capability. Still though, I don't know why there woulnd;t be a wired option as well...
Given the fact that people are complaining about a $180 pricetag now, an even higher price would be a bad idea.
If you need GigE, you can still attach one of the AirPort's ports to a GigE switch. You won't get faster than 100Mbps between the switch and the wireless network, but that may not translate to a real-world problem, since most users rarely saturate their available bandwidth to begin with.
That router would have a theoretical top speed of 54Mbps, vs. 270Mbps - a 5:1 difference. And that cheap router will have no printer sharing and no file-server capabilities.
I think you should go re-read the specs.
Compared against other pre-n routers, Apple's price is quite competitive.
Buy a cheap b/g router and hook it up to the APExt. Two networks: one fast, one slow.
I keep reading on MacRumors that if I'm getting an external hard drive I want to be sure to spend the extra 20 bucks to get one with Firewire capability. And now Apple releases a shiny new router without Firewire capability.
Somebody who knows something about this: I'm looking to set up a 500gig hard drive to be shared via Airport by my laptop, 2 eMacs, and iMac. Am I going to be unhappy with speed, reliability, or some other functionality if I buy this new Airport router and a USB 2.0 MyBook?
Somebody who knows something about this: I'm looking to set up a 500gig hard drive to be shared via Airport by my laptop, 2 eMacs, and iMac. Am I going to be unhappy with speed, reliability, or some other functionality if I buy this new Airport router and a USB 2.0 MyBook?
You lose the n capablities of the g device.
Which is pretty obvious, you cant utilize new technology to its fullest if one side doesn't have it.
Its the same thing as g and b guys. You can use B devices with a g router, just not to as great a speed or distance. You can use all g and b devices with n except the device wont be as fast or be able to go as far back. The router doesnt change. If you had a g laptop and a n laptop. The n would get more coverage and faster speeds, but it wouldnt get the same as g just because its present.
Hey Chef, no reason to condescend, especially when you have no facts or hands-on experience to back up your assertion. Here is what Apple says about this issue:
Apple's AE Page said:
Of course, this is so vague as to be useless. What exactly does 'less' mean? G speed? Or somewhere between G and N? Doesn't say. It certainly DOES imply though that the speed of the network itself will be slower if a B or G device joins it, so it looks like you are wrong. Thanks for the misinformation.
Like most people I would have N and G devices on the network (2 N, 4 G) so getting a real answer for this question from Apple is important. I would only be upgrading for the faster speed and greater signal strength, so if these are diminished to G, then I have no reason to upgrade. We really need to get some true info about this.
Zero Explanation Which Macs Have N Inside Already
The description says lots of Macs have N inside. I know of NONE that really do. Do you?
And where's the freaking 1000 base T Gigabit Ethernet for the local network?!?!
The description says lots of Macs have N inside. I know of NONE that really do. Do you?
And where's the freaking 1000 base T Gigabit Ethernet for the local network?!?!
Well...
GigE - weird it isn't included, but is there really much of an advantage unless you have two or more (bout' time for more than one LAN port) puters in the same room to transfer files to and fro? I don't think 100 is going to be a bottleneck in even an N network.
USB hard drives - SWEET!
And the one thing nobody has addressed yet...the aesthetic. The sides are white! With it's mini/iTV (I'm sorry, I know they couldn't name it that but AppleTV sounds early 90s dorkish to me) footprint it is begging to be stacked, but the mini and iTV both have silver sides. Nit picky, but annoying.
GigE - weird it isn't included, but is there really much of an advantage unless you have two or more (bout' time for more than one LAN port) puters in the same room to transfer files to and fro? I don't think 100 is going to be a bottleneck in even an N network.
USB hard drives - SWEET!
And the one thing nobody has addressed yet...the aesthetic. The sides are white! With it's mini/iTV (I'm sorry, I know they couldn't name it that but AppleTV sounds early 90s dorkish to me) footprint it is begging to be stacked, but the mini and iTV both have silver sides. Nit picky, but annoying.
I keep reading on MacRumors that if I'm getting an external hard drive I want to be sure to spend the extra 20 bucks to get one with Firewire capability. And now Apple releases a shiny new router without Firewire capability.
Somebody who knows something about this: I'm looking to set up a 500gig hard drive to be shared via Airport by my laptop, 2 eMacs, and iMac. Am I going to be unhappy with speed, reliability, or some other functionality if I buy this new Airport router and a USB 2.0 MyBook?
If any lower (b or g) device joins the network, your performance will degrade (to b or g). If you have an n-cabable mac you could always set up two networks, one b/g with a cheapo router and one n with the APExt.
You lose the n capablities of the g device.
Which is pretty obvious, you cant utilize new technology to its fullest if one side doesn't have it.
That's not how I read the fine print.
It could be that just the lower speed device has a lower speed. But I read that as "if a lower spec device joins the network then the higher spec is disabled." Some old ethernet hubs used to work this way.
I would think if only the slower device had slower throughput then the phrasing would be more like "Speed and range will be less for an 802.11a/b/g product that joins the network"
I don't know about you guys but my MBP 100GB hard drive is quickly filling up with pics and music and some video projects. I think we are in the market for at least one LARGE external hard drive to network from (and apparently USB )! Maybe two for backup and safety reasons.
Any suggestions?
)! Maybe two for backup and safety reasons.Any suggestions?
The description says lots of Macs have N inside. I know of NONE that really do. Do you?
And where's the freaking 1000 base T Gigabit Ethernet for the local network?!?!
Draft N is virtually N...C2D machines have that...
The fine print says that the Core 2 Duo and the Mac Pro machines support 802.11n. Of course, that update hasn't been released yet...The description says lots of Macs have N inside. I know of NONE that really do. Do you?
WTF no built in modem!?!?!?
Nobody else has pointed out that you still need an ugly 3rd party dsl modem stacked on top to get the internet on this thing. At this price I would expect them to include one since my even my ghey BT router does.
Nobody else has pointed out that you still need an ugly 3rd party dsl modem stacked on top to get the internet on this thing. At this price I would expect them to include one since my even my ghey BT router does.
I don't know the specifics of n, but when a b device joins a g network, the speed of g devices does drop. Not all the way down to b speeds, but you can no longer reach the full 54M speeds.
I suspect n will be similar. When a b or g device joins the network, n devices will no longer be able to reach 270M, but will top out at some slower speed, but probably faster than 54M.
Unless it only outputs a progressive scan signal. If you set a DVD to display progressive scan, a non-HDTV won't be able to see an image. If it has the option for interlaced display, you can use a non-HDTV. Otherwise, you're out of luck.
That sounds fishy. Currently, if you have a B device on a G network, the G devices still work in G speeds; the B device is the only one limited. Unless the 802.11 wireless standard has changed (or Apple is actually diverting from standards in some way), the new APEXT should still provide an N connection to the AppleTV without forcing you to connect only N devices to the network.
It tends to depend on what device is doing what. At any rate, no network will probably reach top speed anyhow, at least not for long.
EDIT: most draft-n devices should be able to run at different speeds simultaneously. Something older b/g routers were not really capable of.
Not all broadband providers use the same standard. If they include a modem, then they need to include several, including ADSL, SDSL, HDSL, DOCSIS cable, and maybe a few others. So you're either looking an an expensive device with lots of modems you won't use, or multiple devices (and all the support nightmares that will come from customers buying the wrong one.)Nobody else has pointed out that you still need an ugly 3rd party dsl modem stacked on top to get the internet on this thing. At this price I would expect them to include one since my even my ghey BT router does.
It's one thing for a broadband provider to supply an integrated modem/router - they know what kind you need and they won't give you anything else. It's quite another thing to include a modem in a router that is not bundled with any service.
Yes and no. You lose the >54Mb/s bandwidth. HOWEVER, the shiny MIMO hotness will still function and focus the signal on your 11g equipment so you might actually get 54. Plain jane 11g routers which lack MIMO will degrade to less than 54 with distance much faster.
As for people talking about the lack of Gigabit. I agree but I want to buy Apple Wireless because I need something that just fricken works and is secure. You can hook a generic cheap Gigabit switch in front of the Airport and get your speed back. Unlike Wireless, generic crap Gigabit switches DO just work. (And only three Ethernet ports? Argh.)
So I guess I have until February to think of an appropriate violent end to the $29 wireless Airlink router I've been using since November -- I saved money because I thought Apple would save me with 11n soon, but I needed an interim solution. Good lord but the Airlink bites.
This sounds logical to me. As it is, I have one B device (iMac) and 3 G devices (AExp, AExt and PB) on my network. And the PB feels plenty fast with my Comcast cable, so I suspect that if I ditch the B with an N network, I'd be plenty happy. All I'd need is for the AppleTV to be fed fast enough to have smooth playback.
Excellent point about no one getting 270M anyway...
And this is a fine workaround if the B and or G slows down the N too much. What's another wireless network in the neighborhood anyway... Then again, I have plenty already.
Well, I'm not doing this anytime soon anyway...
Makes sense. Isolate the gigE part of the network on its own switch, and then have this for wireless. Don't need gigE for printer sharing or network storage or the WAN port . . . And if you need gigE, you probably have more than three nodes anyway.
What about and AirportExpress update...
I'm wondering when they will update the AirportExpress to be B/G/N? Do you need N for airtunes/printing? Nope. But, you'd hate to downshift the network just to have airtunes on the net - assuming no other b/g devices...
I'm wondering when they will update the AirportExpress to be B/G/N? Do you need N for airtunes/printing? Nope. But, you'd hate to downshift the network just to have airtunes on the net - assuming no other b/g devices...
Several of those hard drives also have a USB hub built in. So you could kill two birds with one stone.
Note that your network will only be as fast as the slowest hardware on your network, which will be G or B. So your disk use will be pretty limited. You'll have to upgrade all your Macs to N if you really wanna get decent transfer speed.I keep reading on MacRumors that if I'm getting an external hard drive I want to be sure to spend the extra 20 bucks to get one with Firewire capability. And now Apple releases a shiny new router without Firewire capability.
Somebody who knows something about this: I'm looking to set up a 500gig hard drive to be shared via Airport by my laptop, 2 eMacs, and iMac. Am I going to be unhappy with speed, reliability, or some other functionality if I buy this new Airport router and a USB 2.0 MyBook?
In any event, I'd hold off until I saw some benchmarks. I'm curious to see how well the USB hard drive will work.
After reading the page, it looks really good. Where else can you get all those features at that price?
I'm on the market for a wireless base station/router, and I think this will be it. I'm planning on placing my order shortly after it's released on February.
I'm on the market for a wireless base station/router, and I think this will be it. I'm planning on placing my order shortly after it's released on February.
You lose the n capablities of the g device.
Which is pretty obvious, you cant utilize new technology to its fullest if one side doesn't have it.
Its the same thing as g and b guys. You can use B devices with a g router, just not to as great a speed or distance. You can use all g and b devices with n except the device wont be as fast or be able to go as far back. The router doesnt change. If you had a g laptop and a n laptop. The n would get more coverage and faster speeds, but it wouldnt get the same as g just because its present.
You can create TWO UNIQUE wireless networks: 1 n, 1 g ...
The different networks can still talk to each other, i.e. you can stream audio to airtunes devices over g, while streaming video over n.
Have all your old g computers connect to your g network and all your new comps/devices connect to your n network!
Problem solved. n at full speed and b at full speed.
The lack of gigabit on the new Airport Express is definitely puzzling. I too hope it is an error on the spec sheets.