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I would never get the hp slate not because it is not good. Because it not anything new. We have seen tablets with desktop os on them and they suck. what makes you think the hp slate will be better then the archos 9?

How do you know the HP Slate isn't good? Have you used it? From the videos available it runs EXACTLY like the iPad. So, what's the difference except the HP Slate can run a FULL WORKING browser? Hmm...

I wished HP launched their Slate on the same day at the iPad, would love to see people compare the two hand-in-hand and realize how limited the iPad is in terms of software and hardware.
 
Competition is a good thing. Apple's innovations in multi-touch, iPhone, and iPod Touch have prompted HP to launch a nicely done competitor. Hopefully, HP's Slate will push Apple to continue to innovate and extend the boundaries. Maybe this will even prompt Adobe to optimize Flash even more and who knows, when/if that happens it may make its way on to the iPad.

There's room for more than one slate/table/pad on the market. That way everyone has a chance at getting what they want. If the iPad doesn't do it for you there's the Slate, Android, Archos, etc. Everyone's happy.
 
How do you know the HP Slate isn't good? Have you used it? From the videos available it runs EXACTLY like the iPad.

Which videos are those? All I have seen is the Adobe video demoing flash where it stays in the browser practically the whole time.

The other video you linked earlier doesn't have any actual slate footage.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3MSjwUrxT0
All the Slate appearances here are faked. They are clearly rendered, not real.

Until we get some actual real user hands on, we won't get to see what it is like.
 
If you don't like it, then don't buy it! It's pretty simple. It will just make it that much easier for me to get one. :)
 
For me, it runs down to this

iPad vs hp slate

Style +2 vs +1 = ipad 2-1
User experience +2 vs +1= ipad 2-1
Touchscreen technology/responsiveness +2 vs +1=iPad 2-1
Touchscreen apps/games +2 vs +1 = ipad 2-1
hardware functionality 0 vs +2 = hp slate 0-2
Availability +2 vs +0 = ipad 2-0
Multi task/flash +1 vs +2 = hp slate 1-2

Total

iPad 11
Hp slate 8


I think hp slate looks very interesting. But, iPad is out in less than a month from now.
The thin factor and the ultra responsive 9.7" touchscreen with the apps/games is going to be awesome. Plus I can't get enough of the "spring board" touch when scrolling.:)
 
Being a geek is no longer cool... man.

I think few people will find value in the HP Slate. Running Windows 7 (even a touch optimized version) is a bad idea, since the majority of content consumed on the device will be designed around the desktop, keyboard, and mouse. Quite simply, this touch based device will be a more cumbersome way to interact with the software running on it, so ultimately what's the point, aside from novelty?

This is a major point that I don't think gets enough consideration. The only real way to compete effectively in the tablet space is with a tablet running an os designed for it and most importantly with apps designed for it and the os.

Nothing less will be acceptable. A tablet like the Slate running a modified Windows 7 will be useful for proprietary and speciality software and fill a very niche set of markets. It will never be useful as a mass market consumer computer/tablet.

Microsoft can't just say hey use Windows 7 on the tablet and use all the same programs. Almost none of the programs are designed to run on a touch type tablet interface or even a stylus based interface.

That is the whole experience, and that is what people need to be talking about and looking at when defining what the tablet space is. The tablet space is not a desktop OS shoved in a tablet sized container. It is an actual tablet sized device with a mobile OS and most importantly with applications designed for the OS and the device specifically. Anything else is simply not going to be considered a serious player in the tablet space.

Right now the best bet for competition comes from the Android Space where hardware manufacturers can purpose Android to do this and also have an entry into applications designed for it.

Microsoft is in big trouble here. They are way behind. Windows 7 may be nice. A slate may be nice, but it is not even in the same game. Microsoft needs to create an entire ecosystem for this device that bridges hardware players and software players together. Something I am sure they have been too afraid to even try doing for many years now. So the irony is they get to jump in after Apple and Google.

So maybe Microsoft's tablet version of 7 can be robust enough to work completely. I have no idea. That still leaves the issue of them getting lots of people to make apps for it, and that is not going to happen unless they sell a lot of them and at this point they are not going to sell a lot of them without apps.
 
How do you know the HP Slate isn't good? Have you used it? From the videos available it runs EXACTLY like the iPad. So, what's the difference except the HP Slate can run a FULL WORKING browser? Hmm...

I wished HP launched their Slate on the same day at the iPad, would love to see people compare the two hand-in-hand and realize how limited the iPad is in terms of software and hardware.

what has hp done to make me feel like they no what they are doing with a mobile device? Apple makes a tocuh version of iworks and that is no big deal. but hp allows flash and they are some how doing great.
 
Sure the HP slate might run Flash/Silverlight, but any word on battery life while streaming Netflix/Hulu? :rolleyes:
If the battery life is great, how is the thickness and weight?

Steve Jobs? Is that you? Because I know of no one else who promotes removing functionality and glorifies this as saving the user from using their battery.
 
The iPad will be a huge hit with the older generation looking for an easy to use product to get their daily news, but what about me? A more power - geeky user...


Too bad Apple, next time.


1) I think you oversimplify the iPad in a rather conceited way just because it doesn't meet your personal tablet desires. If it doesn't work for you, it doesn't work, but, c'mon, why whine "too bad Apple"? It makes you sound like a sulking 3rd grader who didn't get the lead in the class play.

2) The Mac came into existence as "the computer for the rest of us." Certainly that is what lured me to the platform. I wasn't interested in all the DOS commands required to type and print out a letter. I just wanted to get work done. The iPad continues that tradition. In many ways the iPad is the anti-computer. That is precisely why it will be a big hit, and not just with old geezers.

3) I would say if you want something truly geeky there are tons of WinTabs, netbooks, Android devices. Apple isn't going to target a device to ubergeeks. It's not Apple's style. Apple is about K.I.S.S. But there is a product out there for you, just keep looking.
 
Steve Jobs? Is that you? Because I know of no one else who promotes removing functionality and glorifies this as saving the user from using their battery.

My experience has been that I can watch 2-3 movies and run some apps for a while on my iPhone when flying before grabbing a battery pack to charge a bit before landing.

Sitting around the house with my MBP streaming Hulu or Netflix, the fans are whirring, the unit is hot on my lap, and battery life is nicht so gut.

Possibly your experience is different than mine.

The beauty of the marketplace is that we have competing companies trying to separate us from our hard-earned money.
Enjoy your HP Slate.
 
I've never understood statements to this effect.

How can a computer be over-powered? "So much money"... How much do you think compters cost these days?

You can get this Dell Inspiron 560 with a 2.7 GHZ Core 2 Duo pocessor, 2 gigs of ram, and a monitor for $500. That's easily "over-powered" for doing mundane tasks that a basic user will do with this computer. It's one of their cheapest machines.

I don't see how this is at all comparable to 1.5 pound mobile device.

I think the obvious point was that people purchase overpowered (for their needs) laptops that are therefore, also more expensive and heavier.

Apple is banking that a whole lot of people, probably a majority, are not geeky power users, and instead have relatively modest mobile needs/desires. So, they created a device that would fill those needs in a sleek, light, (reportedly) fast device with an attractive form factor and an appealing UI that would make accomplishing those tasks EASY and FUN.

That's what the iPad is. That's all it's meant to be. I find it funny that people are so upset that Apple didn't invent the next wheel with the iPad. Talk about setting up impossible expectations.

Apple looks at what people want to accomplish and then try to think of the best way to deliver that to them wrapped in a great user experience. They may not "always" succeed (who does?) but they have changed the way we look at personal computers, mp3 players, and phones (just for starters). That's an incredible list of accomplishments for anyone. Apple forges their own way, and everyone should be grateful they do. They push others, like nobody else does, to compete, and much more often, to imitate.

The iPad may or may not change the way we think about mobile computing devices. There is definitely a functional, appealing place where the iPad will fit into my life (and this is from someone who has a MacBook Pro, but never found a compelling enough reason to buy an iPhone). Less than half the price, a third of the weight, for a device large enough to read that I can walk around with and will cover 100% of my mobile needs (95% of my wants) is too good to pass up. Whether I am in the majority, or virtually all by myself, only time will tell.

...and frankly doesn't matter as long as I get mine!!!:D
 
HP slate pwns the iPad. Honestly I have no interest in the iPad any more. The iPad has no innovation in it at all. Cmon Apple, just blow up an iPod touch to giant size and think people will buy it? I think Apple can do better.

Sure they could do better. But why would they want to limit their market by doing so?
 
where is it?

I think it's pretty comical that all these "iPad killers" don't exist anywhere but in someone's imagination or some artist's rendering.

People have actually touched the iPad and were wowed by it's speed, weight, responsiveness, screen quality, battery life, new apps, etc.

Funny how as soon as Apple announces the iPad all these companies rush out and say, "Oh, yeah, us too! And ours is WAY better. Look for it later this year (maybe?)". Feels like competitors trying to depress sales before launch (pre-ordering).

If a new device is actually released that can match apple on all the above points, come in at a comparable price and have additional features, then it is worth a serious look. Until then, I have a pretty easy decision.
 
I think it's pretty comical that all these "iPad killers" don't exist anywhere but in someone's imagination or some artist's rendering.

People have actually touched the iPad and were wowed by it's speed, weight, responsiveness, screen quality, battery life, new apps, etc.

Funny how as soon as Apple announces the iPad all these companies rush out and say, "Oh, yeah, us too! And ours is WAY better. Look for it later this year (maybe?)". Feels like competitors trying to depress sales before launch (pre-ordering).

If a new device is actually released that can match apple on all the above points, come in at a comparable price and have additional features, then it is worth a serious look. Until then, I have a pretty easy decision.


While I can't speak for the computer industry - I have worked in the cell industry and can speak from experience when I say - no one is rushing out anything. Apple, and yes OTHER manufacturers have no doubt been working several years on their devices. "oh yeah, us too" - is not a rushing statement as much as its damage control to indicate that Apple isn't the only one who's putting out a product.

If you think a company can just "whip up" a device quickly - you know nothing of design, manufacturing, distribution, marketing, etc.
 
While I can't speak for the computer industry - I have worked in the cell industry and can speak from experience when I say - no one is rushing out anything. Apple, and yes OTHER manufacturers have no doubt been working several years on their devices. "oh yeah, us too" - is not a rushing statement as much as its damage control to indicate that Apple isn't the only one who's putting out a product.

If you think a company can just "whip up" a device quickly - you know nothing of design, manufacturing, distribution, marketing, etc.

I didn't say they were just now going to start working on their tablets. What I am saying is that there is no indication that they are anywhere near ready, or that they will be able to do all they claim and still match the iPad in weight, price and user experience.

I am totally open if that should happen, but I do know that a concept, a rendering, or a press release is not the same thing as delivering on a product. You need look no further than, "the iPad is a magical device". I think it's a cool, useful device for me, but magical? Really?

Just because a product has a laundry list of features, doesn't mean it's going to be a good product. The Yugo had all the features that made it a full car, but I would never want to drive one.
 
This is why you will not see any legitimate tablet competitors for the iPad for a while. Nobody was seriously working on this kind of device.

Apple announces their device 60 some days from launch and those companies that have been working on tablet like devices freak out because they are screwed. Screwed on price, screwed on size, screwed on all sorts of fronts.

So anyone who is actually going to enter the real tablet market, which the iPad will be the first, will have not started any serious work until after the iPad first announced, and thus will not be tangible for some time, unless it is rushed.

The quickest competition will be some hardware manufacturers using android to try and get something going. But some of those people really expected that Apple would come in at twice the price.
 
I've never understood statements to this effect.

How can a computer be over-powered? "So much money"... How much do you think compters cost these days?

You can get this Dell Inspiron 560 with a 2.7 GHZ Core 2 Duo pocessor, 2 gigs of ram, and a monitor for $500. That's easily "over-powered" for doing mundane tasks that a basic user will do with this computer. It's one of their cheapest machines.
That's not a core 2 duo, but I agree, it's overpowered for mundane tasks (although 2gigs RAM on Windows is not really a huge amount). The screen is likely sucky compared to the iPad's, and it's too small for a desktop. I would have no use for a desktop computer that underpowered, but I do have use for a portable device, with an excellent display, for mundane tasks.
 
If we focus on just what a product cannot do, Apple lost potential customers with...
  • Macintosh, because it had just black and white screen
  • iMac, because it lacked floppy disk drive
  • iPod, because it lacked USB port
  • iPhone, because it lacked MMS, Adobe Flash, video camera, and copy and paste
I think successful products are measured not in terms of filling in the spec sheet, but executing core functionalities better than competitors.

I suppose for some, ability to view Adobe Flash contents maybe more important than iPad's superior user experience, integration, and design.
 
Yea the Slate is pretty amazing. I was originally all hyped up to buy an iPad but the Slate really took the wind out of iPads sails for me. Was originally going to get iPad even with it's shortcomings just because there was nothing else like it out there but now I want a Slate :D

It's one thing to try and have a good clean fight about the iPad, which none of us has actually seen or touched or used yet. At least we are arguing about a product that will soon be on the shelf, whose features and apparent drawbacks are at least roughly understood, and which has been tried hands-on by numerous tech writers.

It's quite another to make any definite statement about something like the HP Slate, pro or con. We know practically nothing about this device, beyond what can be gleaned from a couple of very limited public presentations and videos and a trickle of leaks from HP, Microsoft, and others who claim to have some knowledge of HP's intentions.

I would say, though, that anyone placing great hopes in this future device (which may turn out to be great, who knows?) might want to peruse David Pogue's recent piece in the New York Times called "Wee Mousie, Fear Not a Touch PC."

Pogue has not, obviously, been able to try out an actual Slate, since such a thing does not exist. But he may have come as close as we possibly can at the moment, by asking HP to loan him a touch computer called the TouchSmart 600 which retails for about $1200. It apparently runs the same touch-enabled version of Windows 7 that will be used by the Slate. Here is a portion of Pogue's verdict:

Unfortunately, the TouchSmart may be loaded, loaded, loaded, but it’s also slow, slow, slow. Slow to start up, to open programs and, tragically, to respond to finger taps. H.P. confirms that it’s made with “mobile components,” meaning laptop parts; in any case, it feels overwhelmed by the simplest tasks.

When you spread two fingers to zoom a Web page, the zooming animation is jerky and therefore hard to control. You can swipe horizontally to go back or forward a page, but you’ll wait — no joke — nine seconds for the computer to respond.

So this is the problem with vaporware. It may look and sound terrific, but when (if ever) it actually sees the light of day, it might burst into flame.

The TouchSmart 600 isn't the Slate, of course. It might actually work better than the Slate, since it is a full-function computer that uses tried-and-true laptop components rather than a small-form tablet presumably running on less expensive and less powerful hardware.

Still, we don't know. It's too early to declare that the Slate sucks. But it's WAY premature to claim that it pwns the iPad.
 
...So this is the problem with vaporware. It may look and sound terrific, but when (if ever) it actually sees the light of day, it might burst into flame.

The TouchSmart 600 isn't the Slate, of course. It might actually work better than the Slate, since it is a full-function computer that uses tried-and-true laptop components rather than a small-form tablet presumably running on less expensive and less powerful hardware.

Still, we don't know. It's too early to declare that the Slate sucks. But it's WAY premature to claim that it pwns the iPad.

Case well made!

None of us know for sure how any of these products will pan out. As we speculate on what will suit us, it is wise consider past performance when considering future success. This is where the "giant ipod touch meme works in Apple's benefit. Is it really likely that it will underperform an ipod touch? Additionally, to a person, the media in attendance who got their hands on one were very impressed (notably, more impressed than they were from just watching the keynote).

None of this is definitive. We will all make our own judgements, but I certainly like the way evidence is trending.
 
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