Apple should buy Nintendo.

[RedKite]

Going to quote your words about me: "You seem hellbent on making your experiences the only one that matters.", yet because you never had a Nintendo system die on you, they never break down? My SNES gave up after 9yrs and I bought me another one 2nd hand. My N64 was sent back twice within it's first year because it froze up after 20-30 minutes. But I'm happy that you concluded they don't die so I must've been dreaming...
Your point was that spending money on iOS-games is wasted money and spending on Switch games isn't. In 20 years you won't be able to play those 100 Switchgames on the most recent Nintendosystem. So in order to play old Nintendogames you will need an old Nintendosystem.
You claim you can't play old iOS-games, well if you apply the same logic and buy yourself an old iPod Touch with an old iOS, you can also keep playing these games.

So either you keep the old system and the money isn't wasted or you get a new system and lose the ability to play them when the old one breaks down. There is no difference whatsoever between old Apple devices and old iOS-games. (remakes excluded)


The OP wants Apple to buy Nintendo so they could port every game from the 80's (his second post) to the Switchgames (first post), but that's a ridiculous wish, because they aren't bringen their full catalog to the Switch neither. They just have a couple of franchises that keep returning every single generation of console they make... If their next console is called "Water" we'll have a Mario Water, Zelda Water, Mario Kart Water, Mario Party Water, ...
Why don't they bring the full old school catalog to the new system: bevause the healthy market you claim isn't that healthy. Too much effort for too low sales, otherwise they would've been doing nothing else on the Wii U to save it from being a total flop.



Duh, they're cheap as hell. When I spend 5 euro on a game, I don't expect to get the same value out of it as a 50-60 euro switchgame (or any other console).

Saying you bought 100 SNES-games, do enlighten me how to play them on a switch? You can't, so how do you play them? With old hardware!
So why are you saying you wasted money on iOS-games? Get an old iPod Touch with iOS 6 or something and you can keep playing all those old iOS-games.

You should keep the comparison fair and don't expect the latest iPhone to play all the games you ever bought, when the newest Nintendo hardware can't do it either.



My first console was a SNES, got it for Christmas in '92 as a 10yr old. I am aware that there are old games that were awesome. But some are more nostalgia than you care to admit. I tried to play Metal Gear Solid again on the PS One. It's ugly as hell and loading times are the worst. Yet when it was brand new, it was an awesome game.
I don't think there are a lot of people that really, fully play these old games again. Most people buy those new SNES remakes out of nostalgia but don't really spend hours and hours playing through all those games. Why would you, if you can have Zelda on the Switch... Old Zelda's were cool back in the days but why bother playing them again?



Films is the same. All those VHS-tapes from back in the days. Who bothers watching those again? Except here and there some people. Most people threw them out. But they've had there fun with it, so was it wasted money then? Like your iOS-games?



Sony and MS mess up gaming? Please do elaborate?
Don't get me wrong, I have respect for Nintendo, but they've done some ****** stuff aswel and Sony/MS have been battering them for years now with ease.

Nintendo console (millions sold) - Sony Entertainment - Microsoft.
N64 (33) - PSX (102) -
GC (22) - PS2 (155) - Xbox (24)
Wii (101) - PS3 (80) - Xbox 360 (84)
Wii U (14) - PS4 (74) - Xbox One (36-ish)
Switch (15+)

Nintendo really got lucky someone came up with the Wiimotes and they caught on, because they would've followed Sega's fate otherwise, without a doubt. So there's no need to act like they're the all knowing company when it comes to gaming... Sony has been king of the land the moment they stepped in outselling the N64 3 to 1, so I'm really curious how they've been messing up gaming according to you...

Good god that’s a giant reply. That’s impossible to reply to but let’s try;
- my point re reliability is that all outcomes have happened. You seem to think only yours existed and my point was to explain others happen.
- those old games will still work on old systems. Apple prevent you from downgrading firmwares, they shut off old downloads too. Nintendo, well if you own the cart then you have the game (more or less) forever.

I’m replying on my phone so I can’t see anything else without great effort except that final paragraph. I should level with you. I’ve worked in the games industry since the 90’s. I lecture on it at one main university and guest lecture around the world. I’ve worked with legends in the industry and helped design/plan some of the major consoles. I worked at Sony for a decade and oversaw some pretty cool stuff. So what do I mean about how they messed up their products? I could go into detail but again I’m on my phone. MS spend too much effort on peripheral tech that never catches on, Sony spent too much effort on handheld tech only to constantly lose out to Nintendo. Even Nintendo mess up. As I said they all do. So my point once more is even with industry titans messing up frequently and barely keeping ahead of each other…. What chance does Apple have?

I might reload your huge post on my laptop in the morning. But I wonder, you talk a lot about the business side of games. What’s your connection to the industry? We might have crossed paths at a convention or expo or TED talk or somewhere
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Idiots on here last year were saying Nintendo would have to do a Sega and go software only, well that proved right didn’t it ?

It’s such a cliche that whole “Nintendo is dooooomed” that certain fan groups have. given their history and how malleable they are I imagine they’ll outlast Sony and MIcrosoft. The latter I imagine will merge the Xbox with computers, turn it into a checklist of a features required to run Xbox platform on a PC. And Sony? They’ll be around for ages but we won’t see any more stupid diversions from them… no more PS branded tablets phones or PSP-like systems. It’s all going to be the solid PS console with VR optional. Nintendo… with that Labo out soon?theyre going to make a fortune.

 

[deckard666]

Have any of the major gaming companies taken the strange left-field turns that Nintendo have ? A good article here - https://www.theverge.com/2014/3/21/5533102/weird-nintendo-gdc-2014

MS and Sony just dont really do these sort of products / gimmicks / ideas and nor does Apple - None of them would have touched Labo with a bargepole as now they're all "serious" game companies fixated on ever improving graphics and VR (MS aren't even in that field at the mo) - N just dont work like that, its gaming and fun through and through. Oh and PS - Retro a minority sport - try telling that to the 4 million and counting SNES Mini buyers. Can you imagine any other piece of hardware (bar perhaps an original iPod) over 20 years old selling those sort of figures ?

I think another left-field turn from N with the Switch was just genius and again left the analysts and pundits grasping for relevancy - What problem was there ever going to be with them doing a properly portable console when they OWN that space - A console that will allow them to sell two or three to a family - A console with zero competition bar their own and all they need to do now is do a Switch Lite to replace the DS (154 million sales and counting) and watch the money flood in...

Apple dont need Nintendo and Nintendo dont need Apple - Simples

 

[RedKite]

Have any of the major gaming companies taken the strange left-field turns that Nintendo have ? A good article here - https://www.theverge.com/2014/3/21/5533102/weird-nintendo-gdc-2014

MS and Sony just dont really do these sort of products / gimmicks / ideas and nor does Apple - None of them would have touched Labo with a bargepole as now they're all "serious" game companies fixated on ever improving graphics and VR (MS aren't even in that field at the mo) - N just dont work like that, its gaming and fun through and through. Oh and PS - Retro a minority sport - try telling that to the 4 million and counting SNES Mini buyers. Can you imagine any other piece of hardware (bar perhaps an original iPod) over 20 years old selling those sort of figures ?

I think another left-field turn from N with the Switch was just genius and again left the analysts and pundits grasping for relevancy - What problem was there ever going to be with them doing a properly portable console when they OWN that space - A console that will allow them to sell two or three to a family - A console with zero competition bar their own and all they need to do now is do a Switch Lite to replace the DS (154 million sales and counting) and watch the money flood in...

Apple dont need Nintendo and Nintendo dont need Apple - Simples

I don't know if you'd be shocked to hear that Microsoft and Sony have experimented quite a lot internally. Back during the Wii generation I remember seeing some truly outstanding ideas from Sony in particular that never made it to light. That's the nature of the beast tho.... but that said nothing has come close to Labo IMO. It's such a peculiar idea and it has caught the publics attention so swiftly. Apple would NEVER do anything like that. Well I say NEVER but really I mean in the foreseeable future with the current managers. They're simply focussed on services and devices to utilise those services.

This thread depresses me because it made me realize nobody out there is doing what Nintendo is doing. More companies need to take more risks.... but I guess some are barely treading water right now.... not naming names.

 

[deckard666]

Perhaps the thread title is wrong and should read "MS should buy Nintendo"

https://www.geek.com/games/the-xbox-one-has-lost-this-generation-to-switch-and-ps4-1733276/

 

[Michael Goff]

I hope that never happens.

 

[deckard666]

Me too as look what they did to Rare

 

[GeekishlyGreek]

Nintendo has a strong headed culture of their own, maybe even more so than Apple, who at least have the benefit of being in free wheeling Silicon Valley. Also such a buyout would have to be approved by the Japanese government, which typically leans on intra-Japan mergers or encourages Japanese companies to buy non-Japanese assets and not the other way around.

Very true. Probably for the best though, Personally, the idea of Apple being in control of Nintendo kinda freaks me out. I personally love the direction Nintendo are currently going in, whereas Apple, while I love what they did in the past, I think they've been slowly losing their way for the last couple of years.
That said, the one thing Nintendo could learn from that Apple do way better is cloud saves. (hopefully that's coming to Switch anyway) and the collaboration they made when they brought Super Mario Run to iPhone was proof that not cloud saves can be done, but also that it can be done well. Being as you cannot back up your game progress on switch through any other method, cloud saves is something that you really need. Especially if it allows you to log in via our account regardless of which device you log in under, and all your saves will be intact, from exactly where you left off. Whereas currently, if any thing ever happens to your switch (either if it gets lost, stolen, or damaged, etc) then you've lost everything. Whereas with cloud saves, you just buy another switch. (would be a nice way to solve the battery life problem aswell, because I could have a back up switch ,and just log on under my account on the second one when the battery dies on the first). Such a little thing, but solves so many problems.