Apple Silicon biggest rival might be Google

[Gudi]

Per the wiki YouTube.com went live Apr 2005 and Google bought it Oct 2006, Google made YouTube what it is that’s the reality.

A company that wasn't worth the billions of dollars Google payed for them. Youtube neither had assets, technology, employees, user base or brandname recognition. What made them special is that Youtube had some of the same early investors as Google. When Google went public and raised billions of dollars with its shares, those investors figured out, they could make all this their private money, if Google bought Youtube for a massively inflated price. This would hurt everyone who owned Google shares for the benefit of the owners of Youtube. That's what it is, an instrument of investment fraud. Only later Youtube became the ad-invested data-kraken we all know and love.

 

[Gudi]

I don't appreciate Google's overzealous user-tracking practices either (this is part of why I proudly use Apple devices), but I would not even remotely call them the "new AOL". Those two don't even belong in the same sentence.

That wasn't even my comparison, just something I read in the relevant press. Before everyone started their journey through the internet with a search, your internet provider would start you off on a homepage full of curated links of websites one might want to visit. The biggest AOL.com presented the internet to you. They were the gatekeeper and decided where the internet traffic was going to go to. Now Google with its near monopoly on search is the Gatekeeper and you have to pay them to show up among the first three hits of a desirable search term. It's where all the value of the company comes from, Gatekeeping.

 

[Gudi]

That's one part of google (Alphabet) to be sure, but they are also more then an advertising company. They design processors, they create operating systems. They made the google glass, they dabbled in autonomous cars (I'm not sure if they're still). Like Apple (another technology company) they do many things, some things that could be considered non-technology.

Well, they don't make Google Glass anymore, do they? Here is why you're not sure, if they still dabble in autonomous cars. Because Google has no interest in actually building and selling products and making customers happy. That's Apple's old school business model. Google would be more than happy to provide a license-free carOS to Asian OEM carmakers, who then build and sell the driveware. In exchange for everyone using Google Maps and their advertising customers get to decide to which shop your Google car drives you to. What a wonderful world!

 

[Gudi]

How is Android an "illegal copy of iPhoneOS?" Android and iOS are about as similar as Ubuntu and Windows. These are two completely different platforms, they would get laughed out of the court if Apple sued and said "you illegally copied iOS"

This might have been a direct quote from the Steve Jobs biography, if I remember correctly? Anyway, the Google CEO Dr. Eric Schmidt was on Apple's board of directors and had intimate knowledge of the development of the iPhone. His betrayal changed the direction of Android development and gave Google a head start in becoming an early follower of iPhoneOS. At least that's what Steve Jobs felt about the issue.

Android docs reveal before iPhone, Google's plan was a Java button phone | AppleInsider

Before and after versions of Google's internal "software functional requirements" documents released in the Apple vs Samsung trial this week show that prior to Apple's 2007 iPhone debut, Google's vision for Android was a simple button phone running Sun's Java.

appleinsider.com

 

[Gudi]

Do you think that the world would be a better place if there was no Android and there was only Apple and iOS as a platform?

Without Android, someone else would've become the iOS competitor. If it was Microsoft, they would've tried to appeal to business customers and charge a small license fee for their OS. For better or worse? It's hard to compare alternative realities.

 

[Shirasaki]

this is because unless you do intensive stuff on your phone like render.
It's all the same. Apple Sillicon is wasted on iDevices.


On Macs its a different story, compliling code is very quick and silent and sips power compared to AMD/Intel laptops.
Apple does have fast CPUs we can also see this in Linux on a M series Mac.

I can easily max out M1 iPad Pro performance by running three games at the same time, or two intensive games at the same time. It’s not hard.
I can’t do that on Mac, any Mac, even the upcoming Mac Pro.

YouTube existed before Google bought them for an insane amount of money, which bordered on investment fraud. Google Maps is a free service provided to the ad-invested user. It's not a technology you can buy like a Garmin, which existed prior. Android is an illegal copy of iPhoneOS. Its success is based on a free-with-data-sharing license. So it's also not a software you buy with your own money. No idea what this Suite is supposed to be? And yeah, stupid Search we all use for free. No software, no hardware, just ads ads ads...

Basically Google is the new Gatekeeper to the Internet, which has replaced AOL in this role. And I value them as much as I did AOL, piece of **** garbage. 💩🚽

While I do agree Google is the new gatekeeper to the internet, idk if you like the world before google or after. Remember, ads existed way before google. Smartphone OS technically also exist before android or iOS. They aren’t that great admittedly but still. Maps, oh maps. Like someone said, do you want to use paper maps today every time, or do you just use your smartphone to plot the route for you?
Google is an evil company, but so does every other company On earth.

 

[v1ctorS]

Google puts out great products, but they're not a reliable company. Stadia is a catastrophe for them and it is no secret that they are actually making money off your personal data. If you value privacy and reliability, you are better off without them.

 

[Luis Ortega]

Apple likes to tout how far ahead their chips are compared to the competition. However, my iPhone 13 Pro is just as fast or sometimes even slower than my Pixel 6 Pro. Either Apple is doing a poor of writing software to take advantage of their alleged fastest CPU's on the market or Google is a better software engineering company and Android is able to do a lot more with less.

I think the problem with apple is that they dribble out improvements so they can keep people buying new devices with marginal updates.

 

[maflynn]

Well, they don't make Google Glass anymore, do they?

The point is, they're just as much of a technology company as Apple.
Apple makes: phones, tablets, computers, cpus, smart speakers, etc
Google makes: phones, tablets, computers, cpus, smart speakers, etc

Both, have other product lines, but my point is that its silly to say that google is just an advertising company, they're a technology company

 

[satcomer]

I think Google saw how when for iOS Steve bought a smaller arm chip manufacture PA to design the iOS chip and eve tools the M1-2 chips! So google bought their own smaller arm chip design firm and developer the own Tensor chips! So google is trying to emulate what Steve did back in the day!

 

[adib]

Apple likes to tout how far ahead their chips are compared to the competition. However, my iPhone 13 Pro is just as fast or sometimes even slower than my Pixel 6 Pro. Either Apple is doing a poor of writing software to take advantage of their alleged fastest CPU's on the market or Google is a better software engineering company and Android is able to do a lot more with less.

Evidence please.

 

[ArkSingularity]

That wasn't even my comparison, just something I read in the relevant press. Before everyone started their journey through the internet with a search, your internet provider would start you off on a homepage full of curated links of websites one might want to visit. The biggest AOL.com presented the internet to you. They were the gatekeeper and decided where the internet traffic was going to go to. Now Google with its near monopoly on search is the Gatekeeper and you have to pay them to show up among the first three hits of a desirable search term. It's where all the value of the company comes from, Gatekeeping.

This I can agree with. On the bright side, I do think it's an issue that the internet, as a whole, has begun to recognize with the rise of new search engines and new browsers that default to them. Google still has a mass-majority share (and likely will continue to have a majority share for at least the next decade), but momentum is starting to be built in the other direction.

 

[Gudi]

The point is, they're just as much of a technology company as Apple.
Apple makes: phones, tablets, computers, cpus, smart speakers, etc
Google makes: phones, tablets, computers, cpus, smart speakers, etc

You're a software company, when you make a profit licensing software. — Microsoft
You're a hardware company, when you make a profit selling hardware. — Apple
You're an advertising company, when you make a profit selling ads. — Google

Yes, they all make phones and laptops. But they make their profit from providing very different things to the paying customer. Google's customers want precision targeted ads on the right group of people susceptible to buying their crap. That's what Google optimises for.

 

[maflynn]

You're an advertising company, when you make a profit selling ads. — Google

That's an overly simplistic and shallow description, that flies in the face of common sense. Just ask google itself





Also https://www.bestcolleges.com/bootcamps/guides/largest-tech-companies-in-world/

 

[Basic75]

That's an overly simplistic and shallow description, that flies in the face of common sense. Just ask google itself

@Gudi does have a point as Google did make more than 80% of their revenue from ads in the last couple of years.

 

[maflynn]

@Gudi does have a point as Google did make more than 80% of their revenue from ads in the last couple of years.

I'm not disputing where and how google makes most its money, that's pretty much black and white, what I am saying is that google is just as much a technology company as apple is. and I do believe right now it is one of Apple's biggest competitor.

 

[leman]

I'm not disputing where and how google makes most its money, that's pretty much black and white, what I am saying is that google is just as much a technology company as apple is. and I do believe right now it is one of Apple's biggest competitor.

The only segment where so would argue Google is a tech company is the cloud/server market. And of course ML, where they do a lot of research and develop their own hardware.

 

[maflynn]

The only segment where so would argue Google is a tech company is the cloud/server market. And of course ML, where they do a lot of research and develop their own hardware.

What about them developing their own phone, tablet, computer (chromebook), watch, cpu, and operating systems?

 

[ratspg]

What about them developing their own phone, tablet, computer (chromebook), watch, cpu, and operating systems?

I'm not so into Google myself, but they are obviously a big tech company. For someone to say they are just an advertising business is quite hilarious.

 

[Gudi]

Just ask google itself

And in the answer they mention advertising even before search! Search is not what defines Google. All this internet technology is just to sell more ads. Providing a free service is not a business model, it's only an enabler for the real business, ad sales. Just like the free food for the pigs in the barn. On most days it looks as if the farmer only wants to make the pigs happy. Until he drives them to the butcher.

That's why we users love Apple, they make their money directly from us. Not from selling e-mail machines to business customers. I couldn't care less which of these companies has the largest market share. Only one of them even remotely works in my interest. Nobody cares how silent, cool, light and beautiful a computer is, except for the guy sitting right in front of it. That's me, I'm with Apple. Google doesn't interest me at all.

 

[exoticSpice]

I can easily max out M1 iPad Pro performance by running three games at the same time, or two intensive games at the same time. It’s not hard.
I can’t do that on Mac, any Mac, even the upcoming Mac Pro.

What? I can max my Mac running a few games/emulators as well. Minecraft, Metro Exodus and some emulators.

Plus I can run as any many apps I want on Mac's. There is no limit as long has RAM and SSD space permits. on iPads you are limited to 4/5 apps and on iphone only 1 app. Mac's push Apple sillicon harder. I can also connect more monitors with M1 Pro/Max thus pushing more pixels.

 

[ratspg]

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And in the answer they mention advertising even before search! Search is not what defines Google. All this internet technology is just to sell more ads. Providing a free service is not a business model, it's only an enabler for the real business, ad sales. Just like the free food for the pigs in the barn. On most days it looks as if the farmer only wants to make the pigs happy. Until he drives them to the butcher.

That's why we users love Apple, they make their money directly from us. Not from selling e-mail machines to business customers. I couldn't care less which of these companies has the largest market share. Only one of them even remotely works in my interest. Nobody cares how silent, cool, light and beautiful a computer is, except for the guy sitting right in front of it. That's me, I'm with Apple. Google doesn't interest me at all.

Same with many as well as myself. I love Apple Products. Been using them since 1992.

Anyways, Google contributes plenty in the form of AI, Cloud Computing, Web Browsing standards, Virtual Assistant tech, and some Hardware as well.

Google became dominant in the advertising space after acquiring Doubleclick.

Companies (including Apple) acquire others all the time and improve on the tech and software.

Google is not just an advertising company.

Apple makes excellent hardware but its services business has expanded quite a bit and will be a main source of revenue. Its advertising business also is massively growing. When Steve Jobs was in charge Apple made a few hundred million a year in the ad segment. That figure is around $5 billion today. Apple Ads will expand like wildfire in Apple Books, Podcasts, and other products from their services division. They have hired a new senior ad exec, and hundreds of new employees for the ad business expansion. All in perfect time when Apple added App Tracking Transparency…to make it difficult for ad competitors such as Meta and Google.

Apple isn’t requiring its own apps to have to accept permission for ad-tracking, only for third party apps. Already an antitrust investigation underway for that. If a company spends and advertises massively on billboards and online to tell you about Privacy and how its in their best interest for you, one must wonder why?

All this to say, I love and forever use Apple products, but just want people to have a clearer picture and stop the whole “Google is an ad company bad, and Apple is good.” It’s not the truth.

 

[Gudi]

I'm not disputing where and how google makes most its money, that's pretty much black and white, what I am saying is that google is just as much a technology company as apple is. and I do believe right now it is one of Apple's biggest competitor.

Then Netflix biggest competitor must be an ad-based free TV network like NBC. Only because everyone saw the success of streaming and wanted in on the action, doesn't mean they can change who they are and how the used to conduct business. There's an awful lot of internet technologies involved in this too, so let's call them all giant tech companies.

 

[maflynn]

Then Netflix biggest competitor must be an ad-based free TV network like NBC

Ok, if you say so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I really don't watch netflix

 

[Sheepish-Lord]

Then Netflix biggest competitor must be an ad-based free TV network like NBC. Only because everyone saw the success of streaming and wanted in on the action, doesn't mean they can change who they are and how the used to conduct business. There's an awful lot of internet technologies involved in this too, so let's call them all giant tech companies.

Actually NBC has a streaming service called Peacock