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Chrisjmv

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So DVB Fab video Converter? I just need to convert from mov to mp4 etc. no blu ray stuff etc
 

dinobear

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I'd 100% recommend ffWorks. I'm using it on an intel machine, but their website says its for intel and apple silicon.

 

workerbee

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I'd 100% recommend ffWorks. I'm using it on an intel machine, but their website says its for intel and apple silicon.
It is.
 

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winna

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Nov 28, 2020
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So I finally got my Mac Mini M1, benchmarks updated

Benchmarks

iMac 27” 4-core i7 3.4 GHz 32 GB RAM - AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2048 MB (2011)
Mac Mini 6-core i7 3.2 GHz 8 GB RAM - Intel UHD Graphics 630 1536 MB (2018)
Mac Mini M1 16 GB RAM (2020)


Lightroom Classic Export 200 RAW files to jpeg

iMac: 5.06:58
Mini: 3.15:89
M1: 2.21:45

Geekbench 5

iMac: 773 / 2843
Mini: 1112 / 5100
M1: 1747 / 7715

Cinebench

iMac: 697 / 3327
Mini: 1145 / 7285
M1: 1521 / 7821

Handbrake - Bluray movie DTS-HD, one chapter 11 min 21 sec >>> H264 MKV 4500 kbps ACC stereo 320kbps

iMac:

H264: 14 min 47 sec
H264 VideoToolbox: 3 min 53 sec

Mini:

H264: 6 min 30 sec
H264 VideoToolbox: 2 min 3 sec

M1:

H264: 5 min 19 sec
H264 VideoToolbox: 1 min 42 sec

Unigine Heaven

iMac:

1920 x 1080 Medium: 613
1920 x 1080 Low: 1119
1280 x 720 Medium: 1265
1280 x 720 Low: 2104

Mini:

1920 x 1080 Medium: 325
1920 x 1080 Low: 549
1280 x 720 Medium: 809
1280 x 720 Low: 1284

M1:

1920 x 1080 Medium: 618
1920 x 1080 Low: 967
1280 x 720 Medium: 1225
1280 x 720 Low: 1819

Unigine Valley

iMac:

1920 x 1080 Medium: 1126
1920 x 1080 Low: 1580
1280 x 720 Medium: 1997
1280 x 720 Low: 2549

Mini:

1920 x 1080 Medium: 586
1920 x 1080 Low: 776
1280 x 720 Medium: 1319
1280 x 720 Low: 1721

M1:

1920 x 1080 Medium: 894
1920 x 1080 Low: 1550
1280 x 720 Medium: 1865
1280 x 720 Low: 2303
 

labyrinth153

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So I finally got my Mac Mini M1, benchmarks updated

Benchmarks

iMac 27” 4-core i7 3.4 GHz 32 GB RAM - AMD Radeon HD 6970M 2048 MB (2011)
Mac Mini 6-core i7 3.2 GHz 8 GB RAM - Intel UHD Graphics 630 1536 MB (2018)
Mac Mini M1 16 GB RAM (2020)


Lightroom Classic Export 200 RAW files to jpeg

iMac: 5.06:58
Mini: 3.15:89
M1: 2.21:45

Geekbench 5

iMac: 773 / 2843
Mini: 1112 / 5100
M1: 1747 / 7715

Cinebench

iMac: 697 / 3327
Mini: 1145 / 7285
M1: 1521 / 7821

Handbrake - Bluray movie DTS-HD, one chapter 11 min 21 sec >>> H264 MKV 4500 kbps ACC stereo 320kbps

iMac:

H264: 14 min 47 sec
H264 VideoToolbox: 3 min 53 sec

Mini:

H264: 6 min 30 sec
H264 VideoToolbox: 2 min 3 sec

M1:

H264: 5 min 19 sec
H264 VideoToolbox: 1 min 42 sec

Unigine Heaven

iMac:

1920 x 1080 Medium: 613
1920 x 1080 Low: 1119
1280 x 720 Medium: 1265
1280 x 720 Low: 2104

Mini:

1920 x 1080 Medium: 325
1920 x 1080 Low: 549
1280 x 720 Medium: 809
1280 x 720 Low: 1284

M1:

1920 x 1080 Medium: 618
1920 x 1080 Low: 967
1280 x 720 Medium: 1225
1280 x 720 Low: 1819

Unigine Valley

iMac:

1920 x 1080 Medium: 1126
1920 x 1080 Low: 1580
1280 x 720 Medium: 1997
1280 x 720 Low: 2549

Mini:

1920 x 1080 Medium: 586
1920 x 1080 Low: 776
1280 x 720 Medium: 1319
1280 x 720 Low: 1721

M1:

1920 x 1080 Medium: 894
1920 x 1080 Low: 1550
1280 x 720 Medium: 1865
1280 x 720 Low: 2303
Awesome post.
 

winna

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Nov 28, 2020
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Did you notice any difference in quality when converting to h264?
By the way, do you also plan to test HEVC/h265 conversion?
Thanks for your efforts!
So...same file as above. Can't say notice any difference in quality

HEVC/h265 Video toolbox

iMac: --------------
Mac Mini 2018: 1 min 47 sec
Mac Mini M1: 1 min 38 sec

HEVC/h265 NO video toolbox

iMac: 28 min 08 sec
Mac Mini 2018: 14 min 08 sec
Mac Mini M1: 16 min 41 sec

I'm waiting for a native version of DVDFab
 
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Frank Philips

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So...same file as above. Can't say notice any difference in quality

HEVC/h265 Video toolbox

iMac: --------------
Mac Mini 2018: 1 min 47 sec
Mac Mini M1: 1 min 38 sec

HEVC/h265 NO video toolbox

iMac: 28 min 08 sec
Mac Mini 2018: 14 min 08 sec
Mac Mini M1: 16 min 41 sec

I'm waiting for a native version of DVDFab
Thanks! :)
 

Botts85

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Feb 9, 2007
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I've seen reports that the intel hardware encoder (Quick Sync) produces better results than Apple's. :confused:
It does. I just tested VideoToolbox using Handbrake and FF-Works on my M1, and my i9 iMac (QSV).

The M1 is awesome at hitting SSIM benchmarks, but the Intel Quick Sync based VTB encode won at VMAF and to my eyes.
I will try now...iMac dows not support H265 Video toolbox
My iMac will do H265 VTB, it is notably slower than the M1, but won out on video quality.
 

JimmyjamesEU

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It does. I just tested VideoToolbox using Handbrake and FF-Works on my M1, and my i9 iMac (QSV).

The M1 is awesome at hitting SSIM benchmarks, but the Intel Quick Sync based VTB encode won at VMAF and to my eyes.

My iMac will do H265 VTB, it is notably slower than the M1, but won out on video quality.
Interesting results. I must admit I have recently heard the opposite but being unable to test personally it's difficult to know for sure. It would be interesting if someone could take the same source material, and convert with both an Intel Mac and an ASi Mac so we could see ourselves.
 

jdb8167

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It does. I just tested VideoToolbox using Handbrake and FF-Works on my M1, and my i9 iMac (QSV).

The M1 is awesome at hitting SSIM benchmarks, but the Intel Quick Sync based VTB encode won at VMAF and to my eyes.

My iMac will do H265 VTB, it is notably slower than the M1, but won out on video quality.
I don't know what some of these acronyms mean. What is SSIM and VMAF? I've also never heard of FF-Works or did you mean ffmpeg?

Edit: OK, FF-Works is a ffmpeg wrapper application. Not sure why anyone would pay for it since it doesn't seem to simplify ffmpeg much. I'll guess that SSIM and VMAF are video performance testing tools. I found things that match with a search. Never heard of them before but I'm interested, thanks for the reference.
 
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workerbee

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I have a loaner M1 MBP 16GB RAM here, and am comparing to my 16" MBP i9 for HandBrake h265 conversion (without VideoToolbox hardware support, quality and file size > conversion speed).
Reading this thread just made me re-compare: export setting to the 13" M1 MBP, copy a video file over, start conversion with same source file, same settings.

The results still are the same as two days ago: the i9 (HandBrake 1.33) is 50% faster than the M1 (Handbrake 1.4b Universal), with ~60fps average vs. ~40fps for the M1, or ~40mins ETA vs. ~60mins.

Is this result to be expected? I was under the impression (possibly an illusion) that M1 would be about as fast as an i9 Intel, especially with active cooling. Or did I miss a setting somewhere?
 

Ritsuka

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Your MBP i9 has got more cores and x265 NEON optimizations could be improved a lot.
Try another encoder, x264 for example has got better arm optimizations.
 
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Botts85

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I have a loaner M1 MBP 16GB RAM here, and am comparing to my 16" MBP i9 for HandBrake h265 conversion (without VideoToolbox hardware support, quality and file size > conversion speed).
Reading this thread just made me re-compare: export setting to the 13" M1 MBP, copy a video file over, start conversion with same source file, same settings.

The results still are the same as two days ago: the i9 (HandBrake 1.33) is 50% faster than the M1 (Handbrake 1.4b Universal), with ~60fps average vs. ~40fps for the M1, or ~40mins ETA vs. ~60mins.

Is this result to be expected? I was under the impression (possibly an illusion) that M1 would be about as fast as an i9 Intel, especially with active cooling. Or did I miss a setting somewhere?
The M1 smokes the i9 in single core workloads, and in specific tasks.

But in some multi-threaded workloads, especially those that take advantage of all of Intel's microcode features like Handbrake, the i9 will certainly win.
 

winna

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Nov 28, 2020
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I have a loaner M1 MBP 16GB RAM here, and am comparing to my 16" MBP i9 for HandBrake h265 conversion (without VideoToolbox hardware support, quality and file size > conversion speed).
Reading this thread just made me re-compare: export setting to the 13" M1 MBP, copy a video file over, start conversion with same source file, same settings.

The results still are the same as two days ago: the i9 (HandBrake 1.33) is 50% faster than the M1 (Handbrake 1.4b Universal), with ~60fps average vs. ~40fps for the M1, or ~40mins ETA vs. ~60mins.

Is this result to be expected? I was under the impression (possibly an illusion) that M1 would be about as fast as an i9 Intel, especially with active cooling. Or did I miss a setting somewhere?
And the comparison if you use VideoToolbox?
 

workerbee

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Oct 26, 2006
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And the comparison if you use VideoToolbox?
I‘m afraid I was a bit busy and didn’t get to this. It would probably have been purely theoretical at this point, as I‘ve never found this to make much sense, the resulting files are so large that I‘d rather use h264.
 

Botts85

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Feb 9, 2007
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And the comparison if you use VideoToolbox?

It's absurdly fast.

My i9 iMac hovers just under 90 fps at HEVC with VideoToolbox. The M1 does 240fps at HEVC.

The M1 also supports constant quality encodes which is the first device to do so with VTB. The quality is less than Intel Quick Sync based VTB at fixed encodes though.
 
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