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I suppose some forgetful spouse, who suddenly remembers today is their anniversary, can tell super-AI to write out a love letter to the other spouse, make it into a fancy card, and have it hand delivered with some flowers tonight.
But good AI would have alerted you to the upcoming anniversary a day or more before.
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Well for those clamouring for AI what is it you want the phone to do besides improving from “I found this on the Internet.”

Are you expecting Tony Stark’s Jarvis?
That is a valid question.

I do not expect miracles from Siri Apple, but I do need him to be able to know I have events in my calendar and so…

When prompted about the time of an upcoming flight, I do not want Siri to tell me: "Here's what I found about flights to Greece." — a list of websites.
Just give me the info I have in my emails, calendar, to-do lists etc.

That alone would be a huge start.

But Siri Apple sure knows how to set a timer, so there's that.
 
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Not sure this is a good comparison. Alexa is absolute garbage. I have 3 Echo Shows and 4 HomePods and I use them with a narrow focus on what they can do well, like controlling my home, setting reminders and timers and playing music. That generation of voice assistants were built with very strict commands and are absolutely horrible when compared with LLM's.

Alexa is in a league of its own in how bad it is because it sets expectations with all of its "Skills", none of which I can ever remember how to invoke when I need them. Siri at least is more flexible in how I can ask for things, but I know its limitations and set my expectations accordingly.

If Siri moves into generative AI as it seems it will, holy crap, having that kind of natural conversational assistant tied into the ecosystem that most of us have assembled between HomePods, iPhones, iPads, Macs, Watches, AirPods, this is going to tremendously useful in a way that chatGPT can't because it's not built into hardware ecosystems.
100% this, the same is true of the Google Assistant, which is readily losing features and performance.

I have a Nest Hub or Hub Max in every room of my house and they're really just photo frames that tell me when someone has pressed the doorbell at this point. My HomePods get far more use day to day and reliably interact with my smart home stuff and the rest of my first party ecosystem.

Google at least has bard which they can pivot to, I'm not sure what Amazon's future in the space is.
 
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strange that they are doing this only now. They should have done this the day they started working on Siri!

I think it's mind boggling how some 12 years after its debut, Siri is still marginally better than that launch day with Steve Jobs. How large is that team? What have they been doing for over a decade?
I think the team is long gone. It is not possible to stagnate for so long and not get fired.
 
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strange that they are doing this only now. They should have done this the day they started working on Siri!


I think the team is long gone. It is not possible to stagnate for so long and not get fired.
At least in the apple of old, there were flexible teams. I’d guess, that team is long gone, but not because it was fired, but because it was dissolved and had to work on another project. That might also be the reason why bugs don‘t get fixed for years or new features often don‘t see any updates until they are forgotten.
 
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I think it's mind boggling how some 12 years after its debut, Siri is still marginally better than that launch day with Steve Jobs. How large is that team? What have they been doing for over a decade?
The original developers left Apple after a while, and it's been said that the Siri architecture is very difficult to handle and even harder to extend. It sounds like it needed a rearchitecturing from the ground up, and nobody succeeded in selling that to leadership.
 
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The moment is coming when Macs will have a LLM built in, which will require everyone that has less than 16GB RAM to buy a new Mac to take advantage of it 😅😭

Apple's evil master plan of making un-upgradable Macs with too little RAM as a base config, with ridiculously expensive upgrades, will truly pay dividends when this feature drops... 😱

@Atog @Agincourt @AJB1971 @chucker23n1 @hurt97 Was tempted to tag someone else too 🤣🤣🤣
 
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AI its good, but you know, they have a lot of areas for 'Tremendous Amount of Effort'. They can't update their devices to usb-c... If you want keyboard or trackpad, you stay with old connector. Airpods Max have old chip and lightning for $500. Base iphones still with 60 hrz. AppleMusic app on MacOS is terrible. Priority!

I'm pretty sure that everything you mention here and almost everything else you care about is pretty low on Apple's list.
 
Ugh. I don't like generative AI. It always feels... well, non-deterministic, and computing should always be deterministic.

And yeah, I know at a low level it's deterministic, but the idea that you might ask Siri a question and get a completely different answer than you got five minutes ago, which might be wrong, is bothersome.

It's the opposite. At the low level of semiconductors, it is non-deterministic quantum properties which reign.
 
This will be a shocker if true. Have to admit even an Apple enthusiast like myself has felt let down by the current showings. I wouldn't call Siri a joke cause it's not really funny. It does okay with very very simple requests, but I always hope for more.

Apple has released several bits over the passed several months that shows what they’re working on and the direction they’re headed…

- Ferret which is a multi-model (image, text) system that has surpassed even ChatGPT 4 Vision in detail and accuracy
- Apple’s mlx framework which allows LLM’s to be built and run on Macs
- and their work in getting LLM’s to run on devices with much, much less memory by offloading part of it to flash memory.

It would seem to me that Apple’s main interest is getting “AI” on device rather than from the cloud, which is why we haven’t seen anything from them yet. But like the article mentions, I’ sure we’ll see something at WWDC this year. (Their text prediction system is iOS 17 is based off the same transformer models used by most of the LLMs.)

And Siri works fine for me, but I’ve been using it regularly for years. Maybe it just understands me better?
 
Yeah, making Siri an actual functional thing? They should have done that YEARS ago. Better late than never though. Apple still has a chance to knock out Alexa and the others. But it has to be REALLY good.
The Alexa app is an absolute horror show full of ads. This along with the fact they want to charge for a smarter Alexa should make knocking Amazon out easy. Google will be hard to compete with especially if Apple holds back in the name of privacy (which I get) or just flat out not following thru with a new and improved Siri. I am afraid they will get on stage and talk a big game and then let it languish like they have done with the current Siri. I am not holding my breath.
 
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"Here's what I found on the web about "Spending a tremendous amount of time and effort on AI..."

I'm glad to hear this. Siri is so far behind that it's almost unusable for all but the most basic of tasks.
 
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I think it's mind boggling how some 12 years after its debut, Siri is still marginally better than that launch day with Steve Jobs. How large is that team? What have they been doing for over a decade?
But, does Apple have any track record at successfully incorporating any tech company they've bought (not including Beats) after Jobs left? Or do they just buy them, ignore the founders, piss the founders off, then wait for the founders to leave, and ignore the technology like it was in the trash bin.
 
Apple has released several bits over the passed several months that shows what they’re working on and the direction they’re headed…

- Ferret which is a multi-model (image, text) system that has surpassed even ChatGPT 4 Vision in detail and accuracy
- Apple’s mlx framework which allows LLM’s to be built and run on Macs
- and their work in getting LLM’s to run on devices with much, much less memory by offloading part of it to flash memory.

It would seem to me that Apple’s main interest is getting “AI” on device rather than from the cloud, which is why we haven’t seen anything from them yet. But like the article mentions, I’ sure we’ll see something at WWDC this year. (Their text prediction system is iOS 17 is based off the same transformer models used by most of the LLMs.)

And Siri works fine for me, but I’ve been using it regularly for years. Maybe it just understands me better?
I think AI, if done at all, should be entirely on device. That’s just my philosophy.

I imagine suddenly after Apple does it, Android phones are going to start shipping with silly amounts of RAM as Samsung and others try a quick fix to go on device. But it won’t work, Apple has been working on this for years and dedicated hardware decisions specifically to it.
 
Good. How long have we had Siri and it is absolute garbage compared to Alexa. It’s not even close. It’s shocking.
Apple was far ahead when Siri first came out. It was really nice but then Apple sat on their laurels and now they are way behind. That’s what happens to a company once they start pinching pennies and try to milk their customers for every dollar they can for maximum profit. Innovation has suffered greatly. If Apple continues on that path they will quickly start becoming irelevent in the tech industry.
 
Apple was far ahead when Siri first came out. It was really nice but then Apple sat on their laurels and now they are way behind. That’s what happens to a company once they start pinching pennies and try to milk their customers for every dollar they can for maximum profit. Innovation has suffered greatly. If Apple continues on that path they will quickly start becoming irelevent in the tech industry.
Apple has drawn a line in the sand on not allowing voice recognition to be sent to servers.

Google/Amazon/etc don’t have that Hangup because their assistants are designed to get you to use their services…which if it’s free means it’s just data collection for their ad platforms.
 
Very curious!
I try to have as few accounts as possible, and if apple creates something comparable to Microsoft's Copilot, or ChatGPT, I'd more than gladly stick with the apple solution.
I'm especially curious to see what'll be possible on the macOS side of things, as I'm much more of a computer user than a smartphone one.
 
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