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iOS 11 is laggy compared to iOS 10 on iPhone 7+. Weather app lags horrendously. And I have checked multiple iPhone 7’s. There are micro stutters and frame drops that weren’t present in iOS 10
I recall plenty of complaining about stutters and frame drops (Weather being one of the places) back in the early iOS 10.0 days (even with iPhone 7 line of phones).
 
Nope, my 7+ is running just fine under iOS 11.
Yeah, but the 6+ was under powered from the get-go. With the scaling from the rendered resolution to the display resolution, still having only 1 GB RAM and the processor itself not being a big upgrade, I am surprised you* didn't notice a slowdown after upgrading to iOS 10, or even 9.

I really wanted a new phone when the 6 and 6+ came out, but after learning how under powered the 6+ was (I wanted a plus), I decided to wait and ended up with the 6S+ the next year. I've always been happy with the choice, so much so that I won't be too upset if I can't get an X right away and end up waiting for the 2018 OLED PLUS (6.3 - 6.4" screen) phone.

*EDIT: not "you", but the OP
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I own an iPhone 6+ (128GB) and learned to say when at iOS 8.4. Runs smooth as a baby's bottom and continues to serve my purposes beautifully. Don't need my iPhone to whistle dixie. Sometimes less is more and dare I say, the latest isn't always the greatest. To each his own. Would certainly give iOS 11 a test drive, but only if I was able to revert back to any prior release that I saw fit.
This is the the "real" problem. Apple's "un-signing" of older versions of iOS prevent users, who upgrade only to find their phone performing unacceptably, is not able to downgrade back to where they liked it.

NOTE: I realize that, currently, one would be able to revert to iOS 10, but the window to do so is limited.
 
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Old iOS devices use older processors that are at a lower clock rate. iOS doesnt allow background processors from 3rd part apps, that doesnt mean that apple doesnt run background processes. Animating anything is actually math intensive, you have to create a transformation matrix for each pixel that you want to move and then multiply it out based on time elapsed. Not to mention that there are different transformation matrices for rotation, scaling and translation.

Theres also the fact that the offending app may not be in ram and so it needs to be loaded up from the SSD, which takes longer. iOS has to manage all of this, and much more, in the background.

When you have all of these operations going on at the same time on a processor that is old there shouldn't be a surprise that you're going to run into some lag. Again apple is not purposefully messing up older phones just so you can upgrade they are simply creating software that requires more resources that older hardware has a hard time keeping up.

iOS devices do not have SSDs.
 
So what they have a physical moving Hard Drive inside? Don't think so. They have flash memory (NAND flash) , which is what SSD are made from.

Go read

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid-state_drive


"Both Flash and SSD are based on NAND-based flash memory, which retains data without power, and so can be labelled as Flash memory."
source:https://superuser.com/questions/919...l-difference-between-a-flash-drive-and-an-ssd

You should go read. Flash and SSD is not interchangeable.
 
You should go read. Flash and SSD is not interchangeable.

"Modern SSD hard drives are Flash-based, so today there’s not really a difference today between SSD and Flash. SSD is simply a disk that doesn’t have moving parts"
source:https://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-difference-between-ssd-and-flash-hard-drives/

"But in terms of flash storage, an SSD is flash storage and so is an USB memory stick, or your memory card for your camera, as well as the storage in iPhones. An HDD is not flash storage, for reference."
source: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ssd-vs-flash-storage.1103812/

"All the SSDs in use today use flash based solid state technology and the most commonly used form factor for enterprise server and storage systems is the 2.5 inch drive, although other form factors are available."
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-flash-storage-and-SSD

"An SSD does functionally everything a hard drive does, but data is instead stored on interconnected flash memory chips that retain the data even when there's no power present."
source: https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2404258,00.asp

In academia you learn that if you want to make a statement and be taken seriously, you should provide sources that corroborate that statement. I have clearly provided you with enough sources that say SSDs are made up of flash storage. So when referring to the Flash memory on an iPhone, it is not incorrect to refer to is as an SSD. It is performing the same function of a Hard Disk Drive.
 
"Modern SSD hard drives are Flash-based, so today there’s not really a difference today between SSD and Flash. SSD is simply a disk that doesn’t have moving parts"
source:https://danielmiessler.com/blog/the-difference-between-ssd-and-flash-hard-drives/

"But in terms of flash storage, an SSD is flash storage and so is an USB memory stick, or your memory card for your camera, as well as the storage in iPhones. An HDD is not flash storage, for reference."
source: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/ssd-vs-flash-storage.1103812/

"All the SSDs in use today use flash based solid state technology and the most commonly used form factor for enterprise server and storage systems is the 2.5 inch drive, although other form factors are available."
https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-difference-between-flash-storage-and-SSD

"An SSD does functionally everything a hard drive does, but data is instead stored on interconnected flash memory chips that retain the data even when there's no power present."
source: https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2404258,00.asp

In academia you learn that if you want to make a statement and be taken seriously, you should provide sources that corroborate that statement. I have clearly provided you with enough sources that say SSDs are made up of flash storage. So when referring to the Flash memory on an iPhone, it is not incorrect to refer to is as an SSD. It is performing the same function of a Hard Disk Drive.

Finish reading your first wiki source before bouncing around to a handful of others that you think agree with you.

SSDs are not exclusively flash-memory-based and flash-memory-based storage is not exclusive to SSDs. They are not the same thing, so you are incorrect if you refer to it that way.

Have a look at Apple's tech specs and find an iOS device with an SSD. See Mac specs if you need to know what to look for.
 
One example, a simple list with tickmarks in “notes”. Now when i add a simple “tickmark” it takes teh phone 1-2 sec to put it there. It makes teh phone feel VERY slugish. What the f.... its a tickmark. A simple graphic element on a list. I can “check off” 5-6 off them before the graphic starts to appear.

I have a 128GB 6 Plus. I just created a new note, added 4 checkmarks and was able to check and uncheck just fine. Smooth as silk on my phone.
 
Have a look at Apple's tech specs and find an iOS device with an SSD. See Mac specs if you need to know what to look for.

I can be a pedant like any other, but "Flash Storage" is such a mouthful and just confuses the average person when they have enough trouble understanding "SSD". Even Apple gave up so they simply changed previous references to SSD. As an example, see the barely updated MacBook Air specs:

https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/specs/

See "SSD" under Storage. We all know there ain't no SS "Drive" inside the MacBook Air, but there you go.

For more info, see here:
MacBook Air (13-inch, Early 2015) - Technical Specifications [Refers to Flash Storage]
MacBook Air (13-inch, 2017) - Technical Specifications [Refers to SSD]
 
I can be a pedant like any other, but "Flash Storage" is such a mouthful and just confuses the average person when they have enough trouble understanding "SSD". Even Apple gave up so they simply changed previous references to SSD. As an example, see the barely updated MacBook Air specs:

https://www.apple.com/macbook-air/specs/

See "SSD" under Storage. We all know there ain't no SS "Drive" inside the MacBook Air, but there you go.

For more info, see here:
MacBook Air (13-inch, Early 2015) - Technical Specifications [Refers to Flash Storage]
MacBook Air (13-inch, 2017) - Technical Specifications [Refers to SSD]

Completely agree. The PCIe qualification there is certainly intentional for more than one reason.
 
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New OS updates there can always be issues at the start thats why some wait for the bugs to be fixed.
 
I did it again, even though i should have known better, i IOS “upgraded” when i propably should not have...

My thinking was this. My perfectly functional Iphone 6plus is less than 2 years old. It has a descent processor and ample space.

So i jumped on the IOS 11 wagon, since Apple reminded me of the possibility. THe result... some new functions, new icons, and a very very slow phone compared to the previous system. I am baffled by this and I hate Apple for it. I just cant believe that my phone is not fast enough to show a different graphical interface and so on. One example, a simple list with tickmarks in “notes”. Now when i add a simple “tickmark” it takes teh phone 1-2 sec to put it there. It makes teh phone feel VERY slugish. What the f.... its a tickmark. A simple graphic element on a list. I can “check off” 5-6 off them before the graphic starts to appear.

Its is sloppy coding at its worst, OR more realistically Apple who is programming the death of perfectly functional phones, this has been the same for a lot of iterations i feel. Now I am heavily invested in the IOS platform, i have Iphone, Ipad Mini, Ipad Pro, Macbook pro you name it. BUT i am starting to think if its time to look for platforms that are independent of apple. I use evernote, wunderlist etc. Who are actually working on multiple platforms. I just dont think that updates to Android kills off hardware they way Apple does it.

Very frustrated about this, especially considering the crazy prizes on Iphones these days.

I would like to hear how IOS 11 feels on your hardware, did it kill your phone too ??

Kind regards

Jakob

My 6s is on iOS 9.x and my 7 is on 10.x. What are you new? Oh wait your MacRumors account started yesterday. Never mind...
 
Not much you can do. People want more features, software will become more complex. We are lucky Apple gives us the option as Android phones rarely get any updates.

My note 8 has had two updates in two weeks so not sure what you know. My s8 plus gets security updates every 6 to 8 weeks with stability or bug improvements. Please speak about your iPhone updates since that's what you seem know and not archaic matters of the past.

New full OS updates are guaranteed for 2 years or more. Also, I have owned most flagship Galaxy devices and have gotten updates for more than 3 years for some devices. Other Android vendors like the Pixel give them even quicker so your sarcasm is void. And Android is far more complex than iOS.
 
My note 8 has had two updates in two weeks so not sure what you know. My s8 plus gets security updates every 6 to 8 weeks with stability or bug improvements. Please speak about your iPhone updates since that's what you seem know and not archaic matters of the past.

New full OS updates are guaranteed for 2 years or more. Also, I have owned most flagship Galaxy devices and have gotten updates for more than 3 years for some devices. Other Android vendors like the Pixel give them even quicker so your sarcasm is void. And Android is far more complex than iOS.

Whatever you say. I prefer the iOS approach. Oreo isn't even at 1% as of 3 weeks ago.

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I did it again, even though i should have known better, i IOS “upgraded” when i propably should not have...

My thinking was this. My perfectly functional Iphone 6plus is less than 2 years old. It has a descent processor and ample space.

So i jumped on the IOS 11 wagon, since Apple reminded me of the possibility. THe result... some new functions, new icons, and a very very slow phone compared to the previous system. I am baffled by this and I hate Apple for it. I just cant believe that my phone is not fast enough to show a different graphical interface and so on. One example, a simple list with tickmarks in “notes”. Now when i add a simple “tickmark” it takes teh phone 1-2 sec to put it there. It makes teh phone feel VERY slugish. What the f.... its a tickmark. A simple graphic element on a list. I can “check off” 5-6 off them before the graphic starts to appear.

Its is sloppy coding at its worst, OR more realistically Apple who is programming the death of perfectly functional phones, this has been the same for a lot of iterations i feel. Now I am heavily invested in the IOS platform, i have Iphone, Ipad Mini, Ipad Pro, Macbook pro you name it. BUT i am starting to think if its time to look for platforms that are independent of apple. I use evernote, wunderlist etc. Who are actually working on multiple platforms. I just dont think that updates to Android kills off hardware they way Apple does it.

Very frustrated about this, especially considering the crazy prizes on Iphones these days.

I would like to hear how IOS 11 feels on your hardware, did it kill your phone too ??

Kind regards

Jakob
And which iPhone models do you currently consider to be a "good phone" here in 2017, and why?
 
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