Maybe Apple Stores would attract higher-skilled workers if they paid more.
(Not agreeing that Apple Store employees have low skills, I have no experience to base this on.)
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(Not agreeing that Apple Store employees have low skills, I have no experience to base this on.)
exactly.
today's example... got kids meals, no straws or napkins came in the bag..
And they want $20 an hour..
it's the little things
And I’m sure you never make any mistakes at work for much more than $20 an hour. No napkins or straws in your kids meal means that other human beings should be underpaid, brilliant logic.
Seems their employers don’t train them adequately and/or have no quality control.
And your shift key seems broken. It’s the little things…
I would love to hear one good reason why workers at the most profitable company in the world shouldn’t get paid more.
because paying more increases not just that rate for the employee but all other items that are a hidden cost for having that employee and at the end of the day, we the shoppers of that service or product will have to pay for..
And it cheapens the value of money..
People like to compare themselves to others.....
If I was making $25 an hour and a apple store employee was making $15, I would subconsciously feel good about my pay. but if all of sudden that apple employee is now making $23 an hour, then i would feel my $25 is not enough anymore and would want my pay to like $45 or something an hour to bring my social status back up to par.
Hard to admit but true.
Old article from 2012, but it's still relevant to the conversation
17 Facts About The Apple Store Profit Machine
The average Apple store employee generates $420,000 of sales for the company per year... and takes home only $25,000.
www.businessinsider.com
The average store employee helps generate about $420,000 of annual sales for Apple each year but takes home only about $25,000.
I'd imagine the average amount of sales each employee generates now is probably higher than what it was in 2012.
Imagine if each employee got a 30% cut of each sale they generated for Apple. Hey, Apple thinks it deserves up to 30% of revenue from the apps they monetize. That means in 2012, each store employee should be making $126,000/yr, not $25,000. At 15%, it'd be $63,000/yr.
Bold of you to admit that one of your big reasons for opposing better conditions for workers is that you consider yourself better than them due to the amount of money you make and that them making more money would make you feel less than.
Also, studies have shown over and over that when people are paid more, they tend to spend more, which improves the overall economy. So it does not “cheapen the value of money”.
Paid more than what?
Than they are currently being paid.
bad move. they will find an excuse to get rid of employees because of this.
Look what happen to Ford. union won higher wages. then they closed whole factories and people lost their jobs.
$20 an hour here in California is killing the fast food industry. $20 an our just to flip burgers. Greedy. Should always be an entry level $15 an hour job.
Look what happen to Ford. union won higher wages. then they closed whole factories and people lost their jobs.
$20 an hour here in California is killing the fast food industry. $20 an our just to flip burgers. Greedy. Should always be an entry level $15 an hour job.
Things shouldn't have to get bad before workers unionise. The whole point is to ensure that things remain good in the first place.
Any company or government against unionisation is only so because they have something to fear from employees getting themselves together and having a voice. The whole point of unions in the first place was to stop unscrupulous bosses mistreating the lifeblood of their companies. These things have been around for 200 years.
I cannot comment on how Apple treats is workers because I've never worked there but if they thought they were doing a good job they would let the employees form a company wide union and then let them have an elected leader who sits on the board.
The fact they are trying to squish attempts says a lot. It’s nearly as bad as those that have swallowed the anti-union corporate propaganda. The reason we have such strong workers rights in Europe (that our UK government would love to get rid of) is in part because of unionisation.
Maximum work hours, guaranteed paid holidays, state maternity leave, fundamental right to strike, unfair dismissal rights, state safety net on unemployment via social benefits eg universal healthcare etc.
I cannot comment on how Apple treats is workers because I've never worked there but if they thought they were doing a good job they would let the employees form a company wide union and then let them have an elected leader who sits on the board.
The fact they are trying to squish attempts says a lot. It’s nearly as bad as those that have swallowed the anti-union corporate propaganda. The reason we have such strong workers rights in Europe (that our UK government would love to get rid of) is in part because of unionisation.
Maximum work hours, guaranteed paid holidays, state maternity leave, fundamental right to strike, unfair dismissal rights, state safety net on unemployment via social benefits eg universal healthcare etc.
People need to live. There are a lot of factors that have pushed up the prices of rents, food and property especially in SF and LA. None of them are McDonald’s workers asking for money to actually have a life.
That’s called blaming the victim. It’s the big execs making these hideous decisions to close down whole factories in retaliation for worker unionizing, not the fault of the workers.
And the cost of living is going up, why should wages remain stagnant? Even entry level wages.
How many retail employees, union or non-union, have you ever heard say they get paid enough?
Spoiled brats with no perspective. I’ve heard from friends that work for Apple that very often people leave for some other company when they’re feeling bitter, only to go back to Apple very quickly because they realize they had it good there.
I can’t imagine it’s very hard to sell an iPhone. But considering how Apple seems to hire some really awful people these days, I guess they brought it on themselves. Hire low-tier people and you’ll get a bunch of miserable people. No doubt many of the people pushing to unionize are the ones who don’t seem to know anything about the product. They don’t care, they just think they’re entitled to a paycheck by virtue of being alive.
Edit: ah, the special folks are out in full force. No sense of proportion, no sense of reality, they will just downvote anyone who doesn’t champion the mindless union script. You could have the greatest job in the world, and these people would still complain. It’s not actually about helping workers, they just feel aggrieved. These people are tiresome and toxic. The loudest complainers today have more comforts than kings in the past. And they still just complain bitterly.
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Neither to most college degrees. You know the ******** ones I am referring to.
I would not go so far as to say I am pro union. In my industry there are many areas of the country that force unskilled labor because of unions; but then in other parts of the country the union labor is fantastic.
I would only support unionization and higher pay if there is a clear cut plan to have standards and training.
I would only support unionization and higher pay if there is a clear cut plan to have standards and training.
We don't even need to look at how better pay affects the economy. Just look at ROI and employee turnover. Costco has one of the lowest turnover rates because they value their employees and treat them well.
Since its founding, Costco has always had a focus of putting their employees first. This includes offering higher wages, which is possible because of their low turnover rates. As a matter of fact, Costco has the lowest turnover rates in the retail industry. For Employees who have worked at the company for more than one year, the annual turnover rate is below six percent.
According to their CEO, another reason that Costco has been able to achieve such low turnover rates and increase the wages of employees is because of the value each employee brings to the business.
Costco is in the Top 15% of similar sized companies in its ability to retain quality employees. 58% of employees would not leave Costco if they were offered a job for more money while 68% are excited to go to work each day. Overall, 62% of Costco's employees feel the company is doing what it should to retain them while 38% may be considering new employment. Quality employees are difficult to find which makes retaining them all the more important.
The Real Reason Costco Has Such A Low Turnover Rate - Mashed
Costco prioritizes maximizing employee productivity while minimizing turnover. The extent to which they have succeeded in doing this is still remarkable.
www.mashed.com
On the employee page of their website, Costco almost immediately states their priorities of maximizing employee productivity while minimizing turnover. While this may sound like a no-brainer the extent to which they have succeeded in doing this is still remarkable. Accord to Business Strategy Hub's 2020 analysis, Cotsco's employee turnover rate was below 6 percent, which tracks with a rave Glassdoor review that claims the company has a 94 percent employee retention rate. The fact that almost every employee stayed means that Costco must be doing something right.
Apple is too focused on trying to squeeze every last penny out of everything.
High turnover is bad because it's a hidden cost. It affects productivity and...
This Fixable Problem Costs U.S. Businesses $1 Trillion
Learn what turnover is costing your company and how to retain your best people.
www.gallup.com
A trillion dollars.
That's what U.S. businesses are losing every year due to voluntary turnover. And the most astounding part is that most of this damage is self-inflicted.
Here's how it breaks down for an individual organization:
- The annual overall turnover rate in the U.S. in 2017 was 26.3%, based on the Bureau of Labor Statistics.
- The cost of replacing an individual employee can range from one-half to two times the employee's annual salary -- and that's a conservative estimate.
- So, a 100-person organization that provides an average salary of $50,000 could have turnover and replacement costs of approximately $660,000 to $2.6 million per year.
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If they switch to this model it should be based on the average per employee, not each individual. The best part about the Apple Store right now is they aren’t incentivized to sell you more than you need as an individual staff member. If they did commission that would change very fast.
It’s truly incredible how in spite of all evidence saying that paying people more results in better outcomes, people still cling to these myths that hurt themselves as well as the workers they’re looking down on.We don't even need to look at how better pay affects the economy. Just look at ROI and employee turnover. Costco has one of the lowest turnover rates because they value their employees and treat them well.
Since its founding, Costco has always had a focus of putting their employees first. This includes offering higher wages, which is possible because of their low turnover rates. As a matter of fact, Costco has the lowest turnover rates in the retail industry. For Employees who have worked at the company for more than one year, the annual turnover rate is below six percent.
According to their CEO, another reason that Costco has been able to achieve such low turnover rates and increase the wages of employees is because of the value each employee brings to the business.
Costco is in the Top 15% of similar sized companies in its ability to retain quality employees. 58% of employees would not leave Costco if they were offered a job for more money while 68% are excited to go to work each day. Overall, 62% of Costco's employees feel the company is doing what it should to retain them while 38% may be considering new employment. Quality employees are difficult to find which makes retaining them all the more important.
The Real Reason Costco Has Such A Low Turnover Rate - Mashed
Costco prioritizes maximizing employee productivity while minimizing turnover. The extent to which they have succeeded in doing this is still remarkable.
On the employee page of their website, Costco almost immediately states their priorities of maximizing employee productivity while minimizing turnover. While this may sound like a no-brainer the extent to which they have succeeded in doing this is still remarkable. Accord to Business Strategy Hub's 2020 analysis, Cotsco's employee turnover rate was below 6 percent, which tracks with a rave Glassdoor review that claims the company has a 94 percent employee retention rate. The fact that almost every employee stayed means that Costco must be doing something right.
Apple is too focused on trying to squeeze every last penny out of everything.
Well just like with minimum wages, unions might cause products to go up in price causing less consumer purchases, employees receiving less hours or benefits shifting to higher tiers, etc. Similar things happened when this just took place in the food/restaurant industry in LA. A friend of mine did receive a nice per hour bump, but his hours were instantly cut by 30% making his "awesome salary bump" invisible ... yea boycott/cancel the restaurant, boycott/cancel everything ... easier said than done.
I mean I understand the system is broken and everyone deserves a living wage, but these are starter jobs, ones where you build tenure, get experience, and move up the pay scale ... not everyone will/can/is going to receive a $100k/year job working 40hours a week their first/second/whatever year in a job, you need to get there. At least with Apple you have a nice set of benefits!
In other words while a lot of you might not agree, I wish we would stop giving big corp more reasons to replace employees and automate things with similarly awful (IMO) Whole Foods' style "minimum staff - self checkout - scan your palm - no human interaction" shopping experience ...
I mean I understand the system is broken and everyone deserves a living wage, but these are starter jobs, ones where you build tenure, get experience, and move up the pay scale ... not everyone will/can/is going to receive a $100k/year job working 40hours a week their first/second/whatever year in a job, you need to get there. At least with Apple you have a nice set of benefits!
In other words while a lot of you might not agree, I wish we would stop giving big corp more reasons to replace employees and automate things with similarly awful (IMO) Whole Foods' style "minimum staff - self checkout - scan your palm - no human interaction" shopping experience ...
Blaming the victim, these mega corps that have more money than god can afford to pay their employees good wages, but that doesn’t look as good on a quarterly statement. Do you really think Amazon and Apple are working on such razor thin margins that paying their employees more would drop them into the red?