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Apple_Robert

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Sep 21, 2012
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In a van down by the river
Apple is a major company, I'm not going to treat them and respect them like I would an actual individual. If you ship buggy software or flawed hardware and I have to deal with the consequences of Apple's sloppiness, you can be damn sure I'll try first with honey and then resort to whatever is necessary to correct (what I feel is) a wrong.

If it's a "software problem" why is that even a thing when Apple is shipping and building both the hardware and software? This isn't Dell, HP, Lenovo, etc, this is Apple. (I'm being somewhat facetious since I realize humans will always make mistakes, but some of the bugs that Apple ships are laughable, and make one question where their QC team is.)
The OP is well past the return window. I don't see what being rude is going to do for the OP. Apple hasn't treated him unfairly, in my opinion. From what the OP said, Apple has taken reasonable steps to try and find the problem.
 
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YamseCat

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Jun 2, 2021
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M1 macbook air bought 5 months ago.

Problem: the battery always drains a lot during sleep (fresh install, nothing installed), they recognise the issues and they told me that it's something people are complaining about so it's not related to my usage of the mac but something either from macos or hardware

the first 2 times I leave them my mac they told me that they run the tests and the hardware is fine and told me to wait for an update that may fix the issue

the third time I tell them that since I paid for a new computer and most of the people with the same mac don't have this issue I want a solution. I've always been extremely polite knowing that they are simple employees and they may not have the authority do fix/replace my mac.

After almost 2 weeks that they have my mac I call to ask the status of the repair. They told me that Apple's engineers said that the mac is fine and they got many reports of the same issue so I need to wait for an update.

This mac is been released 8 months ago and this issues still hasn't been fixed yet. Most of the people don't have the same problem and looking online I've read of a few people that solved the problem with a motherboard replacement.

I paid full price for this mac directly from the apple store, I find it infuriating that I should just be waiting for a software update while everyone else has a perfectly working machine. Also because if they haven't fixed it in 8 moths who can say how much time I need to wait?

Any advice? I'm really pissed and I don't want to be rude but I'm planning to ask to speak with someone that can either give me a replacement or promise me that they are going to be replacing something inside the mac because I don't want to get back home with a mac with that problem.
Well, battery drains can be caused by a lot of different reasons. So it might not be the motherboard. If they checked the motherboard and nothing unusual happened, then it might just be a software issue. So don't think a motherboard replacement will work for you, just because it worked for other people.
 
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CheesePuff

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Sep 3, 2008
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And if they do show and the court agrees that your claim is frivolous and without substance, what are the consequences for you?
you lost your $30 and all the time you spent in your head thinking it would work out like a Suits episode but instead was just all paperwork and you never even had to say a word to the judge
 
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Trenches

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Good luck with that.

You’re oblivious. I’ve already gotten close 3 times before. With one issue, the executive office stepped in. With another, legal did. With another, the store did. One time I had an iPod to set on fire in my home almost burning the place down.

Do you realize how many settlements they enter into in a day? If you think they won’t give someone a refund for a computer they’re unhappy with, you’re dead wrong. If you think you can’t sue the store and the company in small claims court, you’re dead wrong. Good luck with living life taking it up the a** for defective products you were sold because you’re too scared/ignorant to stand up for yourself.
 

mblm85

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Apr 3, 2010
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I live in Europe btw
If you live in an EU country, check out the Consumer Rights directive, incorporated into each member state's laws.
If you live in the UK, check out the Consumer Rights Act 2015.

Also, if you bought it from somewhere other than Apple direct, speak to the retailer and quote your consumer rights.
 

Weeblewombat

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Jun 2, 2021
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There’s a substantial difference between the consumer protection laws that apply in the EU and the US so some of the responses to this thread aren’t relevant.

Throughout the EU the basic minimum standard of consumer law requires that goods sold must perform precisely as advertised for a minimum of 2 years after sale.

If the product doesn’t work as advertised the consumer has the right to a repair or replacement of the device.

De minimus really does not apply, neither does apple’s warranty as these are rights guaranteed by law.

Edit to add: Quite possibly this problem is caused by something simple like trustd or a similar daemon running out of control because of a bug in software. Seems to be a problem in Big Sur. Running activity monitor would allow you to see if this is the case.
 
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deanforwin

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May 31, 2021
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You’re oblivious. I’ve already gotten close 3 times before. With one issue, the executive office stepped in. With another, legal did. With another, the store did. One time I had an iPod to set on fire in my home almost burning the place down.

Do you realize how many settlements they enter into in a day? If you think they won’t give someone a refund for a computer they’re unhappy with, you’re dead wrong. If you think you can’t sue the store and the company in small claims court, you’re dead wrong. Good luck with living life taking it up the a** for defective products you were sold because you’re too scared/ignorant to stand up for yourself.
It seems as though you don't know what "oblivious" means. It would be easier for the OP to create a reasonable drama with the manager as opposed to suing in small claims. OP doesn't have a winning case and filing in small claims will cost hundreds of dollars.

You sound like an emotional trainwreck, though.

EDIT: Sorry about the double post.
 
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Koalified

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Apr 4, 2015
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Guys stop with technical advices, they tested it for many days, they spoke to the apple hq and they said that they received similar claims and they are still investigating, it's not a random daemon or anything under the user control, there's not a fix nor a timeline for that.

Just got back btw, I just told the genius that was supposed me to give me the macbook that I couldn't accept a "just wait" solution, someone near us overheard us talking and after a bit he offered me a refund or a replacement even tough the manager was kinda unpleasant to talk to asking me things like "So what should Apple do?" and laughing at some of my words while I was trying to be polite.
 

pmiles

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Dec 12, 2013
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Guys stop with technical advices, they tested it for many days, they spoke to the apple hq and they said that they received similar claims and they are still investigating, it's not a random daemon or anything under the user control, there's not a fix nor a timeline for that.

Just got back btw, I just told the genius that was supposed me to give me the macbook that I couldn't accept a "just wait" solution, someone near us overheard us talking and after a bit he offered me a refund or a replacement even tough the manager was kinda unpleasant to talk to asking me things like "So what should Apple do?" and laughing at some of my words while I was trying to be polite.
Just curious... did you take the refund?

Sounds like a 100% awful experience with Apple and the M1... I would have taken the refund and never looked back.
 

sneeks

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Oct 21, 2007
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Take the refund. Buy another and test it out, if good then keep it and if not return it for a refund within the no questions return period.
 

Wando64

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Jul 11, 2013
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Just got back btw, I just told the genius that was supposed me to give me the macbook that I couldn't accept a "just wait" solution, someone near us overheard us talking and after a bit he offered me a refund or a replacement even tough the manager was kinda unpleasant to talk to asking me things like "So what should Apple do?"

The offered to:
Work out a software fix,
refund you,
or replace your Mac.

It all sounds pretty reasonable to me.
So what else should Apple do?
 
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