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I like the design too, but I can gurantee that the shops around the Apple store are going to hate it and that most of the community is going to be very pissed with Apple's arrogance with a store like that. Tourists will love it, but tourists dont buy computers and ipods, the people who live there are going to be the customers and that design really alienates their neighborhood. I dont know why the city approved that in the first place. The Regent store is a perfect example of what they should do to an area like that, obviously Apple must be using someone else for the Boston store.

This crap is going to hit the local papers Im sure, and it wont be the kind of bad press that generates sales.

How is it that you like the design, but that you feel it’s part of Apple’s arrogance, that it alienates [people in] the neighborhood, and that it will generate bad press for Apple?

Why must a building look like the buildings that surround it? And why is that the case even when the incoming building is attractive and interesting, perhaps functional?

I’m thankful that there are people who do not think as you do, who have a narrow definition, who say that things should stay as they are. It’s as if you long for stasis only and that if change is permissible it’s only permissible if it’s drawn out over time, perhaps so nobody notices it.

And instead of allowing their to be a diversity of building esthetics, and instead of allowing the neighborhood to evolve (even if it’s one building at a time), you demand that the government step-in on your behalf to block development, to eschew newness, to enforce your model of the extent to which the buildings of a neighborhood must conform.

Should the neighborhood be the same, for the most part, from here on? Like in 2100 or 2200 or 2500 should its Victorian brownstones remain untouched, preserved, or perhaps only so slightly updated and modified?

By your logic Back Bay never would have been created in the first place. Those involved in creating it in the late 1800s should have said to themselves that the area is a tidal bay and must remain so. The government should have stepped in to enforce that viewpoint.

In fact, the neighborhood might be better off if steps were taken to return to that condition, which would start, obviously, with raising everything that’s already there. So much for an Apple Store.
 
Where on Newbury,Marlborough or Beacon St is there a 4+ story glass facade, open atrium storefront? It's fine by me as this isn't in the South End/Back Bay area. Between Copley Place,Shops at the Pru and the Hynes Convention Center the Apple Store will fit in just fine..

There's a tacky lighting store on Boylston near the Rattlesnake that replaced their facade with glass. Quite boring to what Apple has planned. The planned Apple location is also close to two other new buildings (EMS building and planet hollywood building are new additions to that same short stretch).

And instead of allowing their to be a diversity of building esthetics, and instead of allowing the neighborhood to evolve (even if it’s one building at a time), you demand that the government step-in on your behalf to block development, to eschew newness, to enforce your model of the extent to which the buildings of a neighborhood must conform.

There re two big issues that Boston has that other cities (like NYC) doesn't have.

First, it's really small. Most everything you hear about in boston is downtown/backbay/beaconhill, and you can walk end to end in less than an hour. It makes it a nice walkable city - but you very quickly run out of room to put things. In this whole central boston area there is about 10 square feet that isn't historic :) So when historic buildings & preservation are discussed, it's more about Boston's smallness, and the fact that the little 'historic' stuff we have is all we have. Your historic districts are only going to get smaller.

Second, is we had urban renewal. the city saw hundreds of historic buildings torn down in the name of progress, including one entire neighborhood. So we tend to be more sensitive about such things now. Included in this was 70's style of construction, which clashed dramatically with our historic nature, but it was 'progress' and 'new' and 'modern architecture'. Today pretty much every one of those buildings is considered an eyesore. So when the next guy comes in and says he has new and modern and cool in his back pocket, we start heating the tar and plucking the chickens. :)

NYC has it easy - there's room for everything somewhere, you have transit going everywhere, and you can walk most places. Boston doesn't have much space downtown to build, limited transit, and huge barriers like highways and industrial areas between neighborhoods that prevent natural expansion of 'downtown like' districts. So yes, we tend to be more cautious and critical when a lot of stuff is proposed. (And yes, just because we question everything doesn't make our decisions are correct. That's something only time will tell)
 
I love :apple: Stores.... they are amazing!
now there will be 2 more in florida soon, one in Ft. Lauderdale, and one more near Naples Bonita somthing or other... i hope they are as great looking as this guys.

:apple: :cool: :apple:
 
There re two big issues that Boston has that other cities (like NYC) doesn't have.

First, it's really small. Most everything you hear about in boston is downtown/backbay/beaconhill, and you can walk end to end in less than an hour. It makes it a nice walkable city - but you very quickly run out of room to put things. In this whole central boston area there is about 10 square feet that isn't historic :) So when historic buildings & preservation are discussed, it's more about Boston's smallness, and the fact that the little 'historic' stuff we have is all we have. Your historic districts are only going to get smaller.

Second, is we had urban renewal. the city saw hundreds of historic buildings torn down in the name of progress, including one entire neighborhood. So we tend to be more sensitive about such things now. Included in this was 70's style of construction, which clashed dramatically with our historic nature, but it was 'progress' and 'new' and 'modern architecture'. Today pretty much every one of those buildings is considered an eyesore. So when the next guy comes in and says he has new and modern and cool in his back pocket, we start heating the tar and plucking the chickens. :)

NYC has it easy - there's room for everything somewhere, you have transit going everywhere, and you can walk most places. Boston doesn't have much space downtown to build, limited transit, and huge barriers like highways and industrial areas between neighborhoods that prevent natural expansion of 'downtown like' districts. So yes, we tend to be more cautious and critical when a lot of stuff is proposed. (And yes, just because we question everything doesn't make our decisions are correct. That's something only time will tell)

I don’t want to respond to everything you’ve alluded to and I appreciate many of your points. And in one sense once we start getting into the particulars things become, to some extent, dizzyingly complicated and difficult to compare.

I stand by the general view that I was expressing before, which was really a question. Why can it be assumed correct that the buildings of a neighborhood must have a high level of homogeneity with respect to their appearance? And why it is the role of the government to step in and enforce this homogeneity on behalf of some population or some person, majority or not?

I don’t agree that Boston has to deal with smallness, but New York City doesn’t. As you know, Manhattan is an island, which means it’s limited in the theoretical upper limit of its development, at least two dimensionally (roughly). It’s not clear to me that this is the single or even the primary factor with respect to building and neighborhood. Nor is it clear why it would, even in the most confined cases, necessitate strict homogeneity in terms of building appearance.

Your second paragraph. I don’t see that history necessarily has to do with it. If Apple, for example, is going to build something there they’re going to build something. Many of the demands of people are not that they build nothing at all, it’s that they do not build something that has an appearance that they, for whatever reason, dislike or find too radical or too different, etc.

Your third paragraph. New York had profound urban renewal as well. But without getting into New York’s history. I know that much of the old Boston was destroyed and replaced to whatever extent. And I know about Government Center. But I think that because there were some bad developments before doesn’t mean that they’re bad forever. And some bad developments don’t mean they’re all bad. Also, those developments should only rightly be compared to what it would be like if no such development never took place. Which is to say one should consider the pros and cons that the development brought as well as the pros and cons of what it would be like had those developments not occurred.

I also feel that starting in the 1960’s many people have adopted this reflexive stigma against making things modern and against newness, against development. That anti-development attitude is now so commonplace and so deep in the minds of people who live in cities that it’s easy to get away with its application in all cases. But there may be instances where it’s right to say that development or newness in look is bad, but there may be others where it’s completely wrong.

It seems hypocritical, in the least, to say that one of the foundations of these philosophies is a love of diversity and a desire to avert changes that will bring about banality and homogeneity, but then to demand a lack of progress and development that ensures that, to the extent possible, the level of diversity is never tampered with, that the buildings conform to a particular appearance of decades past.
 
APPLE NEEDS TO BUILD MORE STORES IN CANADA!!

I mean come on, 3 stores in Toronto????? 1 in Laval(aka nowhere :p)
Where's Vancouver, wheres Montreal, Calgary and wheres Ottawa??????
Sure probably most of the world knows about Toronto but they could have spread out those 3 toronto stores to at least BC and MTL, i would love an Ottawa store though i mean come on its the Capital City!!!!!
(im from ottawa lol)

Laval's an island adjacent to the island of Montreal - I used to think it was totally out of the way, but it's really your typical suburban mall location. I do hope they'll end up opening downtown at some point though. And same with Philadelphia - I'm sick of Boston getting everything first! :p
 
First, it's really small.

Second, is we had urban renewal.

It's not that small :rolleyes:

Okay, it's small when all the colleges are in town, but all summer long Boston is practically empty. Not to mention, 90% of stuff in Boston is outside Boston proper. How many Apple stores are within 10 miles of downtown now? Newton, Cambridge, Burlington. It'll be nice to have one right in the city, and that stretch, because of Amtrak/Newbury street, is out of state shoppers heaven.

And yeah, urban renewal. People complained about the Hancock building too!
 
The Boston store looks beautiful, but so out of place.

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Out of place is an understatement.

A commenter on Gizmodo wrote this, which I agree with:

Apple stores are architectural rape. They plug these stores into areas where they simply stick out like the proverbial sore thumb.

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Sorry Disagree. To me they look cutting edge, avant garde, stunning and contrasting, everything apple represents.

I suspect the critic who wrote that has something against apple as they have big big enemies now.

I am not just being a "fan boy" whatever one of those is but I love the apple design and the stores architecture. Most comments Iv'e read seems to like them too.

They said the same thing of the Gherkin and London Eye in Londinium-you have to move ahead not live in he past
 

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Sorry but I disagree. We have a lot of this in Sydney and I love it and my home country England has this juxtoposition of the old and new everywhere. London in the last 10 years has been given a new vibrancy by all the new cutting edge architecture. To me it represents confidence and it enhances the beauty of the old and the new. Its not as if Boston is a a heritage protected area. I agree its good to preserve old street scapes but this is in CBD of a major US city..

People hated the Gherkin and The Eye with a passion-how could they ruin the London Skyline and all that. Now its iconic and EVERY city has a rip off Eye.

Taste and design is a personal thing though.
 
Apple should have chosen Thomas Heatherwick to design a store for them.

He makes the current apple stores look ordinary to be honest.

Terence Conran appeared on the programme, having had the foresight to commission the art-student Heatherwick to design and build a gazebo for his back garden. Conran compared Heatherwick to Leonardo Da Vinci, which I thought was a bit over-the-top when he said it, early in the programme - but by the end it seemed a pretty accurate comparison.
Both Heatherwick and Leonardo are prodigious creators in a variety of media, ranging from purely artistic pieces to machinery and structures at once practical and beautiful. They are both makers as well as designers: Conran emphasized that Heatherwick was remarkable not only for designing an unusual gazebo, but for having the capability to actually build it; Heatherwick’s partner was interviewed in the programme, describing him as “an imaginer” and “a maker happen”; and watching the footage he is clearly at home on the building site as well as in his studio. In an interview with Icon magazine, Heatherwick commented “As a practitioner, one feels like a vessel of trying to implement thoughts that are accumulations of influences of many people. I know people who have brilliant ideas but they just don’t make things happen, they don’t do that bit. I almost feel it’s my duty to help implement them.”


http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/blog/2006/06/07/the-ingenious-thomas-heatherwick/
 
These stores look great.

I can't wait to see how the Glasgow one's going to look now :)
It looks beautiful from what I've seen - how far along is it? I'm studying abroad at GU next year, maybe I could get a job there :)
 
Sorry but I disagree. We have a lot of this in Sydney and I love it and my home country England has this juxtoposition of the old and new everywhere. London in the last 10 years has been given a new vibrancy by all the new cutting edge architecture.
Agree.
 
Why? It's not like an average Pole can afford a Mac on <$1000/mo. salary.
Apple might as well build a store in Bangladesh.

it is not about being able to aford a Mac it is rather about apples wrong approach towards new markets. how can people be getting them if there is no single apple store in the country? there is a chain of ispots though . on the other hand lack of marketing and availiblity does not attraact new customers, does it ? to be honest , i don't thnik every American cannot get a Mac either.

as to the sallary and pricing we need to say that apple has always been expensive no metter the money you are making.
 
Its not as if Boston is a a heritage protected area.

Actually much of Boston is heritage protected or rather, historically zoned. The South End and Back Bay (which is where the Boston Apple Store is located) has the highest concentration of Victorian brownstones in the United States. There are few changes that can be made to the exterior of these buildings without a variance. Of course, the Apple Store is across the street from the Prudential Center Mall and the soon to come Mandarin Oriental Hotel so I hardly think it contrasts that terribly with its immediate surroundings.
 
This will be the next concept to be copied world wide from London (like the London Eye giant ferris wheel)

Its by Thomas Heatherwick and its a foot bridge which rolls up on itself.

Its so popular that they even make it work even if no boats are passing by as it's so popular with tourists.

Heatherwick has a design in new York too for the Longchamp store. . This is relevant here as his brief meant he couldn't touch the exterior facade as it was heritage protected and could not be touched.

I would love him to do an apple store. He is very much a contemporary of Jonathan Ive so what could they come up with together? (not saying that Jonathan Ive had anything to do with the apple stores though)

Back to the topic . personally I love the old with the ultra modern but in the end its up to the planners to accept or prevent development.

Apple submitted their proposals and it was probably watered down enough so its deemed acceptable by everyone even those who would have initially objected. For the New York Longchamp store the exterior absolutely couldn't be tampered with but for the Boston Apple store it could. So every situation is different and you can't blame apple. They wouldn't build a store in a location where they couldn't make a statement with the outside.
 
Anyone know if the rumor is true about an Apple store in Brisbane Central? There have been a few rumors about this... here's a mock up design.

Apple Store - Brisbane Central.
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There's the store open in the Gold Coast... Somewhere like Robina, I thing

Other than that, there's a store opening in Doncaster Victoria this weekend, which is the 6th store (I think), and it would make sense for the centre of Melbourne, Adelaide and Brisbane to come next.

I'm not too familiar with Brisbane, but I doubt that Apple would build a store in that sort of location. It wouldn't stand out enough. There won'e be too many levels of glass, like the Sydney store - they won't want to impose on their flagship Aussie store!!
 
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