Apple sub-companies?

[twistedlegato]

You see the windows operating system, but you don't see "windows" computers. What i mean is that you don't see Microsoft themselves making there own computers for people to buy, instead they have multiple companies (dell, HP, Sony) making the computers using the Microsoft operating system. But you look at apple and they invented their own operating system, and they make there own computers. The question is that do you think that apple should hire sub-companies to make different brands of computers using the the Apple OS. Or maybe they should stay the way they are keeping there logo of "Think Different"
What do you think?

 

[wako]

... uhhh.....


HP, Dell, and so on are NOT sub-companies of Microsoft. In fact, they are totally different companies with only business relations with one another. Simply because Dell, HP, and whatever uses Microsoft Windows does not make them a sub company. Those company simply use their Windows products as the OS. They only build computers. Microsoft only programs and their product is just software.

Apple has always been different and always made their own computers and their own software for the systems. It wouldnt be an Apple if it wasnt an Apple... it would be a tomato then or some other disgusting fruit....

 

[twistedlegato]

... uhhh.....


HP, Dell, and so on are NOT sub-companies of Microsoft. In fact, they are totally different companies with only business relations with one another. Simply because Dell, HP, and whatever uses Microsoft Windows does not make them a sub company. Those company simply use their Windows products as the OS. They only build computers. Microsoft only programs and their product is just software.

Apple has always been different and always made their own computers and their own software for the systems. It wouldnt be an Apple if it wasnt an Apple... it would be a tomato then or some other disgusting fruit....

Why does dell of HP even want to waste money making good computers and sticking crappy operating systems in their computers? ...cost?

 

[chairguru22]

Why does dell of HP even want to waste money making good computers and sticking crappy operating systems in their computers? ...cost?

windows isnt bad. ive never had a single problem with it, no viruses and no blue screen of deaths.

apple would be smarter to fully support windows on their computers because a lot of people like their design but dont want to use OSX. its whats used to keep me from getting a macbook.

 

[wako]

Why does dell of HP even want to waste money making good computers and sticking crappy operating systems in their computers? ...cost?

lol... well I never had trouble with Windows... except in Win95. So I cant say much about the "sticking crappy" part.


But the reason is because the Windows has already established itself as the most dominant operating system, for consumers. When people are out to buy a computer, most people will think of Windows as the operating system, not OSX, Linux, or whatever.


There are companies that do cater other OS if requested. I think Dell use to, but you had to call them, and the only other OS they had was red hat (linux) but I dont think they do that for the typical consumer. I think they do still do it for businesses.

 

[twistedlegato]

lol... well I never had trouble with Windows... except in Win-95. So I cant say much about the "sticking crappy" part.


But the reason is because the Windows has already established itself as the most dominant operating system, for consumers. When people are out to buy a computer, most people will think of Windows as the operating system, not OSX, Linux, or whatever.


There are companies that do cater other OS if requested. I think Dell use to, but you had to call them, and the only other OS they had was red hat (linux) but I don't think they do that for the typical consumer. I think they do still do it for businesses.

The "crappy" part about it is that,.. say you open up Fire-fox or explorer, then you need another window up, and another one to, and another, and another. Each time it takes longer and longer to load up when on mac OS X it does not do that even on a 1.5GHz single core processor..And when doing it on windows the entire desktop crashes and you have to use the famous "ctrl,alt,delete. oh what a pain it is for prople who have not discovered macs yet

 

[thegreatluke]

The "crappy" part about it is that,.. say you open up Fire-fox or explorer, then you need another window up, and another one to, and another, and another. Each time it takes longer and longer to load up when on mac OS X it does not do that even on a 1.5GHz single core processor..And when doing it on windows the entire desktop crashes and you have to use the famous "ctrl,alt,delete. oh what a pain it is for prople who have not discovered macs yet

Um, Firefox is meant to use tabs.

And both OSes are equally good at operating several windows of an application at once. It all depends on the amount of RAM you have.
(Though Mac OS X is better for multitasking )

Any (newish) computer that slows down due to an extra IE page open needs to be checked.

 

[twistedlegato]

(Though Mac OS X is better for multitasking )

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hhahah.. exactly..

 

[thegreatluke]

hhahah.. exactly..

One window isn't multitasking though.
Two is barely multitasking.

 

[26139]

Um...dude...

Apple did license its OS in the mid '90s and it nearly destroyed the company. There has been and I suspect always will be a tight integration with the Mac OS and the hardware it runs on; that's the REASON why Apple has FEWER (notice I didn't say Apple didn't have) issues with drivers, etc. than Windows.

I really don't see the point for your thread though...were you just wanting to start ANOTHER Mac vs PC argument?

 

[Senater Cache]

Why does dell of HP even want to waste money making good computers and sticking crappy operating systems in their computers? ...cost?

The "crappy" part about it is that,.. say you open up Fire-fox or explorer, then you need another window up, and another one to, and another, and another. Each time it takes longer and longer to load up when on mac OS X it does not do that even on a 1.5GHz single core processor..And when doing it on windows the entire desktop crashes and you have to use the famous "ctrl,alt,delete. oh what a pain it is for prople who have not discovered macs yet

ok...
are you alright? youre obviously a novice computer user and should watch out if you dont want to become flame bait.
The statements you have typed made my brain hurt.

To answer your first post quoted above...OSX doesnt run on x86 machines (until now...but only apple-made ones)
Windows is the only operating system out there with a company behind it that is large enough to support it.
Plus you sound like someone who believes everything they are told on TV...despite what the Apple ads are telling you, Windows in fact does come with bundled software and is in fact able to easily communicate with brand new devices, just like apple claims to be able to do.

About your firefox experience....OSX doesnt require a window to show you a web page? wow you must have something really special there.
Ever heard of tabs? other than tabs, OSX wil require just as many windows open as WindowsXp does.
The wiondows Desktop crashes because you are obviously incapable of operating a computer.
Btw...in my experience OSX slows down WAAY before a windows machine will and thats with the apple having 1GB versus 512mb RAM and being a Dual G5 Powermac.
I find OSX to be much slower in terms of menus and scrolling and GUI interaction (even with effects turned down) when compared to a winXP machine. This is minimal and wont ne noticed by novices. (not that anyone disagreeing is a novice)
And how annoying is that when you close all windows of an app, the app is still open?!

 

[26139]

Der....

ok...
Plus you sound like someone who believes everything they are told on TV...despite what the Apple ads are telling you, Windows in fact does come with bundled software and is in fact able to easily communicate with brand new devices, just like apple claims to be able to do.

Seriously? You would really argue that the bundled windows programs are easier/simpler/better than what Apple has to offer?

The wiondows Desktop crashes because you are obviously incapable of operating a computer.

That's just rude...in your experience, what user action would cause this?

Btw...in my experience OSX slows down WAAY before a windows machine will.

Boy...I bet that was a scientific study...

And how annoying is that when you close all windows of an app, the app is still open

Um, useful? Keyboard shortcuts make everything so much more efficient...

 

[Senater Cache]

get into an argument but i wil respond:

Seriously? You would really argue that the bundled windows programs are easier/simpler/better than what Apple has to offer?

Not for one second lol . BUT the ads fail to note the software that is bundled with Windows (Paint , Windows Movie maker is actually decent and will get the job done, and I personally find Windows media player to be the better solution in th eface of Quicktime...and it is not much worse than itunes at all)
I wil also note that my $2000 powermac did not come with anything but OSX (I got no iLive for some reason!!...should I have? accd to these ads I should have, unless I missed the fineprint of *excluding high-end overpriced devices sold before 2006)

That's just rude...in your experience, what user action would cause this?

I dont believe he was serious..just ranting, what he describes is very unlikely and if true, would be entirely dependent on the websites that were viewed in the windows.

Boy...I bet that was a scientific study...

You're right , it wasn t at all, but It does appear that way to me and many others that I know (all happy mac owners, as am I)
I find it to be fact that the OSX GUI experience is more sluggish than the XP experience.

Um, useful? Keyboard shortcuts make everything so much more efficient...

In my experience, on my machines (win) it does not take any longer to relaunch the app than it does to pop up a new window in OSX with the app appropriately long out-of use and in the page-file.

 

[26139]

Response...

Yes you should have received iLife as part of the install dvd or as a separate one...regardless of when you purchased it. Are you saying you didn't get iLife '06 or you didn't get iLife at all?

iMovie is waaaaay simpler than Movie Maker though...

Windows Media Player is all right...I must say neither that or Quicktime really stand out.

Yes, Windows Explorer does seem "zippier" than the Mac Finder, I will definitely agree with that.

 

[Senater Cache]

Yes you should have received iLife as part of the install dvd or as a separate one...regardless of when you purchased it. Are you saying you didn't get iLife '06 or you didn't get iLife at all?

iMovie is waaaaay simpler than Movie Maker though...

Windows Media Player is all right...I must say neither that or Quicktime really stand out.

Yes, Windows Explorer does seem "zippier" than the Mac Finder, I will definitely agree with that.

yeah all i got was Panther...I since have upgraded to Tiger...
no iLife, and definately no iLife06

 

[wako]

I Love It When The Fan Boys Start Coming Out To Play...

 

[Josias]

If you think it would be a good idea for Apple to get other companies to make the hardware, think again. Guess why OS X is working so well, because Apple costumdesigns the hardware for it to work seamlessly with the software. Also, Apple makes some of the best hardware in the world. Their RAM, harddrives, and especially screens may be expensive, but they sure as hell are quality. No sub-companies!

 

[wako]

If you think it would be a good idea for Apple to get other companies to make the hardware, think again. Guess why OS X is working so well, because Apple costumdesigns the hardware for it to work seamlessly with the software. Also, Apple makes some of the best hardware in the world. Their RAM, harddrives, and especially screens may be expensive, but they sure as hell are quality. No sub-companies!

i hope you realize the only thing "custom" about their design is their form factor. Which obviously is failing since there is alot of heating issues, atleast for the laptops, when compared to their PC counterparts.

Everything else isnt very much custom, especially with the switch to Intel. When it was still PPC, you can call it custom because they told IBM what they need, and they simply delievered. Now Apple is just like any other computer manufacterer, they have to wait for the hardware industry to throw something at them before they can throw something out.

And many of the companies that Apple have hired to build their systems are INDEED making PCs as well. Last time I heard, Asus is making the macbook.

 

[Josias]

i hope you realize the only thing "custom" about their design is their form factor. Which obviously is failing since there is alot of heating issues, atleast for the laptops, when compared to their PC counterparts.

Everything else isnt very much custom, especially with the switch to Intel. When it was still PPC, you can call it custom because they told IBM what they need, and they simply delievered. Now Apple is just like any other computer manufacterer, they have to wait for the hardware industry to throw something at them before they can throw something out.

And many of the companies that Apple have hired to build their systems are INDEED making PCs as well. Last time I heard, Asus is making the macbook.

True, Asus assembles the MB, it doesn't make the parts. Apple makes casing, iSight, sofrtware, RAM, HDD, screen, battery, trackpad+keyboard, SuperDrive, connectors, latch etc. They make almost everything themselves, 'cept for graphics and processor, which are Intel or Ati. And trust me, Intel are not just rolling like they want. Apple is having great influence on the development on new chips, just like with IBM. The only difference is, that now other companies can use the chip Apple uses.

The point of my post was to state, that Apple is doing perfect on all areas, and would not improve by making these sub-companies.

 

[twistedlegato]

yeah all i got was Panther...I since have upgraded to Tiger...
no iLife, and definitely no iLife06

dude that might be a problem...no ilife? thats not right...when did you buy it? and why did you not return it yet or ask apple for s free copy of ilife '06?

 

[twistedlegato]

I Love It When The Fan Boys Start Coming Out To Play...

well you know apple uses Toshibia Hardrives...and they use INTEL chips has apple ever made there OWN chips? Because the PPC chips were made by IBM, what were the chips that they used before PPC, i bet apple did not make them

 

[wako]

True, Asus assembles the MB, it doesn't make the parts. Apple makes casing, iSight, sofrtware, RAM, HDD, screen, battery, trackpad+keyboard, SuperDrive, connectors, latch etc. They make almost everything themselves, 'cept for graphics and processor, which are Intel or Ati. And trust me, Intel are not just rolling like they want. Apple is having great influence on the development on new chips, just like with IBM. The only difference is, that now other companies can use the chip Apple uses.

The point of my post was to state, that Apple is doing perfect on all areas, and would not improve by making these sub-companies.

You are VERY misinformed...

RAM is NOT made by Apple. If you crack open your case, you will see it most likely say Samsung, Nanya, or some other company. The harddrive is more than likely either Samsung or Toshiba, the Superdrive is most likely Lite On, Toshiba, Samsung, or a generic company made in China. iSight probably is assembled by Apple, but the components are NOT made by Apple because Apple does not have the technology to manufacterer the sensors to take images. The last time i heard the screens were made by either Sharp or Samsung. As for everything else... well we know it isnt made by Apple because never in your life will you EVER see a manufactering plant that is run by Apple. Apple EMPLOYS companies to build their machines, and EMPLOYS other companies for their parts so that other companies can build the machines.

And sorry to burst your bubble, but Apple plays a VERY small role in what Intel does. Intel cares about two thing, selling their chips, and they try to sell alot. With Apple's marketshare less than 5% it isnt alot and Intel doesnt really care. Hence why no macs have ANY custom chips built by Intel thus far, and probably ever. Further proof is by seeing Intel's roadmap. It hasnt changed the slightest since Apple switched to Intel.

 

[bbrosemer]

You are VERY misinformed...

RAM is NOT made by Apple. If you crack open your case, you will see it most likely say Samsung, Nanya, or some other company. The harddrive is more than likely either Samsung or Toshiba, the Superdrive is most likely Lite On, Toshiba, Samsung, or a generic company made in China. iSight probably is assembled by Apple, but the components are NOT made by Apple because Apple does not have the technology to manufacterer the sensors to take images. The last time i heard the screens were made by either Sharp or Samsung. As for everything else... well we know it isnt made by Apple because never in your life will you EVER see a manufactering plant that is run by Apple. Apple EMPLOYS companies to build their machines, and EMPLOYS other companies for their parts so that other companies can build the machines.

Ummm every computer company does this to do everything in house would eventually to become a Monopoly, which would be the case if Microsoft started putting out their own PC's containing parts all made by Microsoft, this is not going to happen but if apple did that too they would be a monopoly as well.

 

[wako]

Ummm every computer company does this

EXACTLY... and Apple is definately no different other than their customed form factor.

 

[Senater Cache]

From what I have gathered, apple fanboys and apple people that post on forums are for the most part VERY VERY misinformed and have almost zero grasp of what is actually inside their beloved machines.
This makes no sense to me...
That is why only true apple enthusiasts and Jobs-felatio fanboys got really upset when apple turned to their conceived as "lesser of two evils" in Wintel for upcoming procs.

People, please get informed before you make asses of yourself by posting amongst people that have sensibility about the computer industry and how a computer is built.
These ever continued, reoccuring education posts are becoming superflous and are clouding the integrity of focus in all apple forums.

STOP the Windows / PC industry hate (your base company has already adopted all but the OS of the PC industry...and before the switch ,was already like 90% PC industry parts anyways)

apple-user misinformation is almost higher than the misinformation within watercooling in th ePC industry (one major area of proper information being worked on by many including myself).