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Who deserve access to Apple’s customers, (who pay for apps in large part because Apple made them feel safe doing so after the cesspool of viruses on open OSes in the 1990s and early 2000s), using Apple’s property, for free, without following Apple’s (with one or two exceptions, entirely reasonable) rules, because an organization that thinks mandating encryption back doors is a good idea says so.
 
See where I'm getting at?
Not really other than you seem to think moms are simpletons.
How does apple wield power when they have a 27% market share in the eu?
Because it’s one out of only two companies that operate mobile operating systems. It’s really not rocket science to understand. If you don’t agree fine, but you keep posing simple questions with obvious answers. Say something of substance!
 
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who pay for apps in large part because Apple made them feel safe doing so after the cesspool of viruses on open OSes in the 1990s and early 2000s
Viruses are irrelevant on mobile OS’s. they can’t exist outside of their own sandbox.

Scams are much easier, prevailent on app stores. As are rip off apps, 7.99 a week subscription for homescreen customisation apps, for example - perfectly allowed on the AppStore.

Apple has made an art out of scaring people to death about anything that is not Apple. It should be applauded. After it’s been regulated, of course.
 
Scams are much easier, prevailent on app stores. As are rip off apps, 7.99 a week subscription for homescreen customisation apps, for example - perfectly allowed on the AppStore.
And if your kid accidentally signs up for one on the AppStore, you can easily cancel it. Best of luck if it’s on an alternate store. Thanks E.U.! Always thinking of users and customer experience first!

But really, it’s a small price for normal users to pay so tech nerds can pirate ROMs and download native porn apps.
 
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Best of luck if it’s on an alternate store.
An alternative App Store can choose to do without such scams and not approve such apps in the first place.

And if you look at alternative app marketplaces available like SetApp mobile or the AltStore, they do not carry such rip-offs.

….unlike Apple, who apparently take no issue with it, as long as it makes them $$$ and bolsters’ Schiller’s pockets & bonuses.

But keep drinking your kool-aid and being fooled by C(r)ook Timmy into believing:
“But think about the children! Only Apple can keep our children safe and protect us all from app scams on the internet!” 🙀
 
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Not really other than you seem to think moms are simpletons.

Because it’s one out of only two companies that operate mobile operating systems. It’s really not rocket science to understand. If you don’t agree fine, but you keep posing simple questions with obvious answers. Say something of substance!
It's one of hundreds of companies that provide smartphone services. You're defining your "market" to fit your definition as am I doing the same. But there is no case law on this that finds Apple "anticompetitive" in this regard.
 
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Exactly. Cause they commit to an ecosystem and it's not as easy to switch as between McDonald's and Burger King.
Citation or your opinion? It's easy to switch, of course with any consumer product one has to weigh the pros and cons.
For paid apps (or paid services, such as streaming services), the "profit" or sales volume is important.
So now it's not about overall profits or units it's about streaming services? Got it.:rolleyes:
Developers of paid apps follow "the money". Non-paying users aren't very important.
That doesn't mean apple is a public utility because you believe they should be forced to give their services away.
That's not a European thing.
Also, the DMA does also look into number of users.
If it did that, Apple would lose.
Saying Apple only has a 27% (minority) market share - based on the number of users or active devices alone - is a misrepresentation by omitting major relevant facts, when those users spend more per capita.
No, it's exactly objectively the truth. Maybe the exact percentage is off, but it's in the neighborhood. That is what marketshare is. Not apple profits/total profits in the smartphone sector.
PS: Neither am I saying that we should only look at market share as percentage € sales. I'm merely presenting a counterpoint to yours. Both (share of users/devices and sales) should be taken into account.
Ok.
 
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Best of luck if it’s on an alternate store. Thanks E.U.! Always thinking of users and customer experience first
Was easy when I asked Setapp for a refund. The problem with what you’re suggesting is you’re merely speculating and assuming, baselessly, that Apple are the only honest company in existence.
But really, it’s a small price for normal users to pay so tech nerds can pirate ROMs and download native porn apps.
Thanks for the accusation, aimed at everyone who disagrees with you about it? Nice. Elegant way to 'be right'. Well done you.

Back in reality, I just don’t want Apple to monitor and ultimately police what I want to put on my phone.

Like the app I used to have for my vape until Apple decided that vaping was bad for me and now I'm not allowed to.
Or various open source utilities, assistants, apps and programmes that the devs just aren't interested in paying to have their useful, free app be available on the AppStore.
Or people fearing their lives around the world who can't download VPNs, Tor, Briar and all the other security and privacy software that Apple (ironically) won't allow on their AppStore, or Apple (ironically) banned from their AppStore due to a government pressure.

We as iOS users are missing out due to a ridiculous notion that safety, security, privacy and ease of use is only possible when Apple say its possible, which they have carefully cultivated into a cult, thus ensuring profits for evermore.
It's one of hundreds of companies that provide smartphone services
Yeah but we're talking specifically about OS's, app stores and restrictions within the Apple ecosystem, not just random unspecified smartphone services for non iOS devices.
 
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Was easy when I asked Setapp for a refund. The problem with what you’re suggesting is you’re merely speculating and assuming, baselessly, that Apple are the only honest company in existence.

Thanks for the accusation, aimed at everyone who disagrees with you about it? Nice. Elegant way to 'be right'. Well done you.

Back in reality, I just don’t want Apple to monitor and ultimately police what I want to put on my phone.

Like the app I used to have for my vape until Apple decided that vaping was bad for me and now I'm not allowed to.
Or various open source utilities, assistants, apps and programmes that the devs just aren't interested in paying to have their useful, free app be available on the AppStore.
Or people fearing their lives around the world who can't download VPNs, Tor, Briar and all the other security and privacy software that Apple (ironically) won't allow on their AppStore, or Apple (ironically) banned from their AppStore due to a government pressure.

We as iOS users are missing out due to a ridiculous notion that safety, security, privacy and ease of use is only possible when Apple say its possible, which they have carefully cultivated into a cult, thus ensuring profits for evermore.

Yeah but we're talking specifically about OS's, app stores and restrictions within the Apple ecosystem, not just random unspecified smartphone services for non iOS devices.
all those "useful" apps... if only there was an OS that let you install whatever you wanted... if you really couldnt live without that vaping app then surely by now you'd have moved to Android ;)
 
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"I dont want Apple knowing what I put on my phone"...

Must worry the heck out of some people to learn what Facebook and Google know and monetize about them...
 
Was easy when I asked Setapp for a refund. The problem with what you’re suggesting is you’re merely speculating and assuming, baselessly, that Apple are the only honest company in existence.
No, I’m noting there are lots of bad actors out there.
Thanks for the accusation, aimed at everyone who disagrees with you about it? Nice. Elegant way to 'be right'. Well done you.

Back in reality, I just don’t want Apple to monitor and ultimately police what I want to put on my phone.

Like the app I used to have for my vape until Apple decided that vaping was bad for me and now I'm not allowed to.

“It’s unfair of you to say people only want access to unsavory apps, when that’s not true. For example, I’m mad Apple doesn’t want to help me smoke.”

We as iOS users are missing out due to a ridiculous notion that safety, security, privacy and ease of use is only possible when Apple say its possible, which they have carefully cultivated into a cult, thus ensuring profits for evermore.
The biggest mistake pro-DMA people make is assuming that Apple is just doing this for the profit and don’t actually believe their model is absolutely better for the vast majority of the users.

Yeah but we're talking specifically about OS's, app stores and restrictions within the Apple ecosystem, not just random unspecified smartphone services for non iOS devices.
Again, iOS is 27% of the market in the EU. Plenty of competition, and in any sane world, nowhere near the level to require regulation given the market CLEARLY prefers their competitor. But Spotify wants to use iOS for free, and the EU is unable to consider second-order effects of its legislation, so here we are.
 
It’s unfair of you to say people only want access to unsavory apps, when that’s not true. For example, I’m mad Apple doesn’t want to help me smoke.”
Vaping is perfectly legal and a recommended way to help quit actual smoking. Thats not remotely unsavoury.
 
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Stated with the superiority I have come to expect from people that seem to assume they just know everything, and only what they state is reality.

Brilliant. Even in the face of a change thats (I'm certain) not even relevant in their own country.
 
Apple should be written about and studied for generations for creating such a loyal and diehard drone army. They should rule the world. They earnt that right. No one, no government, should be able to stand in their way, for any reason. Apple is right. Apple is truth. Apple is god. I am safe.
 
Nope. Not required. But if they did (and if it was possible, hint: it's not due to the limit of the available spectrum), it would be an infinitely simpler decision if iPhone required an Apple Cellular plan. No need to compare between AT&T and Verizon and T-Mobile. All my mom needs to worry about is if she can afford Apple XYZ products. If she can't, she can take a look at the open platform and carrier selection and go through the pain of researching which products and services is best for her. See where I'm getting at?

The issue is, and a reason why there are antitrust/competition laws, is that simpler with no choices often makes it worse for consumers and smaller businesses by stifling competition and innovation, increasing prices, etc.

Allowing alternative app stores doesn't mean people still can't take the "simpler" path and just use Apple's App Store, and the new competition may push Apple to make their App Store even better for users and developers.
 
That’s not entirely true. It may not matter some places and some places it does matter.

It isn't? Enlighten me. Where are there antitrust and competition laws that say that just because a company has agreements with customers or other companies that that those laws can’t apply to them?


About the only curable thing is the recent google ruling. Other than that Microsoft what year? Apple. What year?

The Google ruling regarding search default, the Microsoft ruling regarding desktop OS, the Apple ruling regarding anti-steering...none of these companies were immune to the laws because they had agreements with customers/companies.


The fact that cases are lost are very relevant. It shows that one persons definition of anticompetitive is not another’s.

Nonsense. What it my statement make it "very relevant" that cases may have been lost in the past?


I know that there are hundreds of cell phone manufacturers. Most of them have an App Store. That horizontal integration isn’t regulated only vertical regulation.

If that is truly your basis for concluding that the App Store/Play Store isn’t an app store duopoly or that iOS/Android isn’t a mobile OS duopoly then you clearly don't know what duopolies are or how they can be determined. Just what do you think a duopoly is and how they are determined?
 
It isn't? Enlighten me. Where are there antitrust and competition laws that say that just because a company has agreements with customers or other companies that that those laws can’t apply to them?
I guess if we are taking hypotheticals…where is it said that because two companies have agreements the agreements are illegal?
The Google ruling regarding search default, the Microsoft ruling regarding desktop OS, the Apple ruling regarding anti-steering...none of these companies were immune to the laws because they had agreements with customers/companies.
There is a grey area which you are not acknowledging. And that is that at some point in time every major company has a ruling against them. It makes me chuckle that that one ruling out of nine was found for and that is the only ammunition.
Nonsense. What it my statement make it "very relevant" that cases may have been lost in the past?
One never knows how things will turn out.
If that is truly your basis for concluding that the App Store/Play Store isn’t an app store duopoly or that iOS/Android isn’t a mobile OS duopoly then you clearly don't know what duopolies are or how they can be determined. Just what do you think a duopoly is and how they are determined?
Do you have some case law that supports your assertion? And by the way true duopolies like visa vs Mastercard or Pepsi vs coke are not really problematic unless they collude in some fashion. The so-called operating system duopoly, iOS vs android isn’t really an issue as iOS doesn’t collude with android.
 
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