Well, for one thing... they allow you to scroll up and down.
ha! yeah, I forgot about menus, side to side, etc.
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Apple TV 2.02 Just Released
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ha! yeah, I forgot about menus, side to side, etc.
You are forgetting that volume control is a constant in TV viewing. It is stupidity for Apple to leave that out.
When using AirTunes I can control the volume. Why not with Apple TV?
Because it works as a volume control on Front Row yeah? Makes sense for it to work the same on Apple TV.
My AE is on channel 36 and I have a solid connection with wide channels since I upgraded to 2.0.2. So Apple seems to have fixed this.
Wow, a comment on the update other than "make the remote work my tv volume"
... Amazing.
Try the File -> Export menu. It is in there as one of the options.I use the last updated version of iMovieHD (6.0.3) myself and I don't seem to have any type of export toTV. Have every other option you could think of.
See attached screen capture. Am I missing something?
Wow, a comment on the update other than "make the remote work my tv volume"
No kidding! This is a bug fix rev, not a feature rev. Besides, I don't think you can vary the output level via HDMI or optical anyway, and if you go analog, there goes your 5.1, right?
Um. The vast majority of people do not use a receiver to listen to audio, especially "tv" audio. You're living in a fantasy world if you think otherwise. Apple themselves have tossed off the whole component audio system model with the ipod hifi, which ironically, forces a situation where one must use THREE remotes (ATV,HIFI, TV) to implement it into a media viewing station.
Yes. I bought the AirPort Extreme just for my Apple TV but on 1.0 and 2.0 it kept the connection fine with all the same settings. It has only been since 2.1 and now 2.2 that it is dropping ALL THE TIME
2 upgrade paths goes against the point of the"ease of use" of Apple products. It can get easily confusing for someone if they could update from both areas. Choose the easiest option that works for everyone and leave it at that.
It also seems to be working for me now. I've got a 768k connection, and YouTube videos would always freeze between 2 and 4 minutes in. After the 2.0.2 update, tested two of my faves that had always stalled in the past and both worked flawlessly.
Which remote do you have? I'm trying to decide between the Harmony One and the Harmony 1000 (big and cool touch-screen one.) Any experience ith either one of these?
Volume, again.
Since it seems to have been completely ignored in this back and forth volume control argument, I'll re-post what I said in post #58:
Since it is also used for scrolling in the menu system, it could only be useable as a volume control while something is playing, but it already has a function during that activity.
All through version 1.x (when the "+" and "-" did nothing during playback) I had wished it would be useable to call up the progress bar. I never once wished it would control the volume.
That's just me, and I guess others might think otherwise, especially since those buttons control volume on other Apple devices.
Maybe the Apple logic is that since this device has no speakers (and the others do) then there is no volume to be controlled on an TV.
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That sounds as much like an assumption as any statement that would have prompted such a response.
I know that I was in the minority when I first started listening to TV through my stereo. It was with the first stereo VCR that I bought in the early 80's when analogue TV first started broadcasting in stereo.
I would consider myself an "early adopter" and wouldn't expect that everyone else is doing things the way I do.
Now that a lot of TV programming has surround sound, I would say it's a bit bold to say that the "vast majority" of people don't use a receiver while watching TV.
It's not much of a fantasy world to think that an TV is going to be attached to an A/V receiver.
It seems that Apple have aimed this product at a certain level of user. It is not made to be attached to an "old fashioned" TV that has any connection lower than component video (at least not without some workarounds), so this puts it more into the realm of someone who has a nice big TV with modern connections and more than likely has a nice stereo to go with it.
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And more on topic:
I understand that a "wide" wireless issue might have been resolved, but I haven't seen any other improvements with this point release.
Ever since the 2.0 update, most of my TV shows have been freezing once in the first minute (or 2) for up to 30 seconds and then resuming normal play.
This is with locally stored content that is on the hard drive.
I'd really like that to be fixed.
Since it seems to have been completely ignored in this back and forth volume control argument, I'll re-post what I said in post #58:
Since it is also used for scrolling in the menu system, it could only be useable as a volume control while something is playing, but it already has a function during that activity.
All through version 1.x (when the "+" and "-" did nothing during playback) I had wished it would be useable to call up the progress bar. I never once wished it would control the volume.
That's just me, and I guess others might think otherwise, especially since those buttons control volume on other Apple devices.
Maybe the Apple logic is that since this device has no speakers (and the others do) then there is no volume to be controlled on an TV.
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That sounds as much like an assumption as any statement that would have prompted such a response.
I know that I was in the minority when I first started listening to TV through my stereo. It was with the first stereo VCR that I bought in the early 80's when analogue TV first started broadcasting in stereo.
I would consider myself an "early adopter" and wouldn't expect that everyone else is doing things the way I do.
Now that a lot of TV programming has surround sound, I would say it's a bit bold to say that the "vast majority" of people don't use a receiver while watching TV.
It's not much of a fantasy world to think that an TV is going to be attached to an A/V receiver.
It seems that Apple have aimed this product at a certain level of user. It is not made to be attached to an "old fashioned" TV that has any connection lower than component video (at least not without some workarounds), so this puts it more into the realm of someone who has a nice big TV with modern connections and more than likely has a nice stereo to go with it.
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And more on topic:
I understand that a "wide" wireless issue might have been resolved, but I haven't seen any other improvements with this point release.
Ever since the 2.0 update, most of my TV shows have been freezing once in the first minute (or 2) for up to 30 seconds and then resuming normal play.
This is with locally stored content that is on the hard drive.
I'd really like that to be fixed.
Boo ****ing hoo. Go get a tissue.Well I just turned on my Apple TV for the first time since I applied this update a few hours ago and it dropped the wireless STILL!!!!!
Have you even checked that there isn't another problem with your wireless network? My ATV has never dropped the wireless connection. Not on my g network, or the n network that replaced it 6 months ago. Now I'm not saying its been perfect, turning on the TV to find the apple logo shining at me is a pain in the ass, but seriously,stop whining and start checking your system.
For those having issues with dropping connections with the AEBS that's running N, change your channel from Automatic (36) to 161 or anything above 40 even if you're running Use Wide Channel Mode. You can select your channel by holding down your option key while you click on the arrow to see a list of other available channels. See the image
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The "Preview" button in the itunes store is now a "View Trailer" button. Not sure what the point of changing it was...
Yes. I bought the AirPort Extreme just for my Apple TV but on 1.0 and 2.0 it kept the connection fine with all the same settings. It has only been since 2.1 and now 2.2 that it is dropping ALL THE TIME
Try a factory reset on the AEBS. That fixed it for me.
Ok first of all, you are a jerk. Second of all, I am checking it, but my claim is pretty valid since it was bullet proof with all the same network settings until 2.0, 2.1 and 2.2!
I have been chasing this problem off and on for 6 months. For a period of 4 months in the middle, it worked fine. But, without any changes to any of my other network equipment, sync stopped working to my WinXP system. The only things that changed were: new firmware load on the ATV and a new iTunes version. I am glad that you have not been frustrated by the flaky behavior of wireless sync for ATV, but I have seen lots of messages about problems in this area.
Currently, sync is working to my Mac Mini ... it has the same version of iTunes as the WinXP ... could be something in the WinXP wireless stack is a problem. I did submit a bug report to Apple, but I am not expecting much from them because of the difficulty to reproduce the exact same conditions that I have in my house. (WinXP Pro SP2 on a Dell E520 connected to a Buffalo Air Station Turbo G talking to an ATV with firmware 2.0.2 using a LinkSys WAP54G running HyperWAP firmware)
The thing I really want is something in this food chain to help me diagnose the issue. Neither ATV nor iTunes has a error message when the sync connection drops. If the damn thing would pop up a dialog box with some message to say that the sync connection was lost because of XYZ, it would be extremely helpful.
Um, did you ever think that maybe iTunes could simply direct the AppleTV to download the update? Geeze, people. You act like it's a big deal to offer improved functionality to users. But then, MacOSX isn't exactly known for customizing options so I guess you're not used to having choices. Why would you want to update it from iTunes? Maybe because you happen to be using your computer and it could tell you an update is available (like it does for the iPhone and just about everything else it services) whereas AppleTV has NO indicator what-so-ever that there's an update available. You have to randomly check it yourself (they could update that aspect also, really).
Heck, I don't even get why are you even arguing about it. I point out that they could offer the update switch through either method (you can use whatever one is more convenient for you at the time) and you argue that's a bad idea.... unbelievable. iTunes already tells what software it's using; it wouldn't be hard to add an update button there. You have to register using iTunes. You have to sync via iTunes. It only makes sense to have an option there to update for those that use their computer with it and leave the menu option for those that are supposedly using it without one.
This may be unrelated....however, I have noticed that sound quality is superior from the
I think you're imagining things. I compared my CD player (and I volume matched them; this is very important) to the streamed content (playing an Apple Lossless encoded version of the same CD) from my AppleTV and they were IDENTICAL sounding and this was on $2000/pair ribbon speakers with a custom active crossover and >400 watts per channel (350 watts to the 10" woofers and 150 sliding class A to the 48" ribbons).
I used to follow high-end audio groups for years in the '90s. People thought they heard differences when someone painted the edge of a CD with a green marker even. Once you did a blind test, they couldn't tell the difference for most anything (expensive cables, overpriced amps, various multi-thousand dollar digital to audio converters, etc.)
I wouldn't want to use it simply because digital volume controls reduce sound quality. Similarly, I would never use iTunes to control the volume (it also destroys the DTS signal for DTS music CDs, of which I have quite a few).
Here's a link to a discussion on the matter:
http://forums.slimdevices.com/archive/index.php/t-16004.html
Basically, you reduce your dynamic range when you drop the volume digitally before your primary pre-amp/amp stages.
It does? It's much easier to upgrade it where I'm at (say sitting at my computer) than having to go downstairs and randomly check the upgrade option all the time (since it won't inform me when there's an update available). That's not what I call 'ease of use'. Either that or you're telling me the average Mac users is too dumb to know if they upgraded their AppleTV via iTunes, they don't need to do it again on the AppleTV itself. Geeze, I wanted to believe Mac users were smarter than PC users....
But to follow what you're suggesting to completion, why should you be allowed to play music (via Airtunes) to an AppleTV unit from iTunes AND also be allowed to play music FROM an AppleTV unit using its own menu system? Isn't that confusing? That's two ways to play the same streamed music library on that AppleTV unit! Darn. I can't wrap my head around that concept! It's too confusing! They should definitely drop that AirTunes option in the next update lest their users be confused about having two ways to do the same thing.