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While I can buy much of what you say here, there are those who may position THEIR :apple:TV in an appropriate spot (right above or right below the screen) to make this work reasonably well. This lone feature would compete against products like this: http://www2.panasonic.com/consumer-...-CC10W.O_11002_7000000000000005702#tabsection which are often priced at or ABOVE :apple:TV pricing, though the latter comes with all those other benefits.

But Darryl, wouldn't you agree that in order to make an AppleTV-based FaceTime work, Apple would need to make the ATV much larger to accomodate a proper camera and microphones? That product you linked to is a good twice as tall and 4-times as wide as the current ATV. Having it linked through another iDevice would work for FT...but then what's the point since those devices will all be doing FT natively anyway. Being close enough to the HDTV (and ATV)mounted on the wall (for most folks) to be seen and heard would be tough.

Current FaceTime relies on a face within a couple of feet of the camera and mic...a luxury one wouldn't have in a living room.
 
But Darryl, wouldn't you agree that in order to make an AppleTV-based FaceTime work, Apple would need to make the ATV much larger to accomodate a proper camera and microphones? That product you linked to is a good twice as tall and 4-times as wide as the current ATV. Having it linked through another iDevice would work for FT...but then what's the point since those devices will all be doing FT natively anyway. Being close enough to the HDTV (and ATV)mounted on the wall (for most folks) to be seen and heard would be tough.

Current FaceTime relies on a face within a couple of feet of the camera and mic...a luxury one wouldn't have in a living room.

There are plenty of cameras that can mount of tvs that are able to process sound from 10-20 feet away fairly well. And I don't agree that adding a camera to the apple tv would add that much size to the device. However, it just doesn't make any sense from a logistics point of view. Most ATVs aren't located in a place that would work for Facetime. For a living room this means either directly on top of the TV or right below it (with the ability to angle the lense). A wireless facetime camera for HDTVs that could be found on the network by a ATV to handle the facetime calls would be a better solution.
 
bozzykid basically covered the technical answer to the question (and I included a link to a thin device to attached to an LCD HDTV from Panasonic that would have to endure the very same perceived challenges of distance, etc.) I don't think there is a tech-based limitation to being able to do this. There are certainly location-based issues (for those who choose to store it away from roughly center of the screen, above or below it). But this was about a next-gen :apple:TV and something someone shared as of interest to them (I'm not much interested in this feature myself).

I can say that I had a dial-up based box about the size of the :apple:TV in 1998 or so which could connect with the same box at the other end of the connection. Quality was not great, but it was (pseudo) video conferencing on the cheap using 2 TVs (no computers) and a small set-top box. If you want to communicate that way using TVs, you find a spot for the cameras that works well for you.

These days, most HDTVs require a stand if you aren't hanging them on a wall. Stands usually have shelves or at least the platform on which the TV itself sits. If so, this :apple:TV with a facetime camera could go there (and work well). If the TV is hanging on the wall, someone wanting to do this would need to think about a shelf above or below the TV. OR, they could pay the $160 for the Panasonic solution (or similar for LG, Samsung,etc) to be able to Skype video conference using non-Apple tech.

The point being: if iDevices are going to have the hardware built in anyway, it might be one more "wow" thing to tout in a next generation. Is it something to win over everyone? No. But Facetime is not something that wins over everyone who buys the other devices either. It's just "one more thing" that might win over a few more people, where a few more people on iDevice scales can add up to a lot.

I do recall the happiness that old 1998 device brought to my parents when we were able to video chat through the TV with a small device way back then. Now with broadband on both ends and a panasonic/LG/samsung/etc dedicated device or maybe a gen-3 :apple:TV, lots of other people could get that same joy. If the latter, lots of those other people can get the other joys of an :apple:TV, rather than just a more expensive, dedicated device that does nothing but Skype videocalling.

Again, I'm not personally in love with this particular thing. I just don't think the guy who showed some interest in it is wrong because others think it makes no sense. Last year, I found great fault with the iPad for not also coming with an isight camera. You would think I told someone their kid was ugly or something. It seemed like hundreds of cheerleaders bashed and bashed about how stupid it would be to put a camera in an iPad, etc. A short while later, Apple shows the way forward with Facetime and now I see some of those very same people gushing about how great it will be to have a facetime camera in the new iPad, how they're buying one on day 1, etc. Apparently, people are only wrong about things until Apple shows that they are right... at which point the cheerleaders are quick to flip flop.

Or, on a more personal level, iDevices can do all kinds of stuff I personally never use. But just because some of those applications don't make sense to me doesn't make it wrong for all. If the guy would like THIS iDevice to have a FaceTime camera for his TV, it certainly can't be as bad as me- last year- arguing why the iPad should have an iSight camera for THAT iDevice.
 
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facetime on the atv3 woudl be great, i'm sure they could do it. the camera wouldnt be that difficult as there's already videoconferencing systems that capture a whole room say a conference room. just put it by the tv and you're good to go.
 
Airplay + Facetime would solve the camera issue. I highly doubt the ATV would get a camera installed, possible, but unlikely. If you don't have an iDevice for Facetime, well, there's your first problem right there.
 
I use my Harmony One with it. Works perfectly and the codes are in the Logitech database.

I have that one, too (or one of the Harmony remotes, anyway). Works great. And man, I love that remote..
 
I love my ATV2 so I don't want to see an update yet but I think the ATV3 should have forward AND rear facing cameras on top of the Retina display and multitouch gestures mentioned earlier.

Can't have enough cameras :D
 
I could see facetime on your iphone/ipad that can airplay the video to your tv while keeping your camera on your iphone. All it needs is a software update.

Ohhh. That's a cool idea. It would be great especially for the non-iPhone4 customers who don't have the dual cameras. I'm pretty sure I'd use it; especially if it were somehow made iChat compatible (for the other end of the line).
 
I love my ATV2 so I don't want to see an update yet but I think the ATV3 should have forward AND rear facing cameras on top of the Retina display and multitouch gestures mentioned earlier.

Can't have enough cameras :D

and an internal one:) see those e- flowing.
 
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Can't believe it hasn't been mentioned yet, but I think we'll see a camera in it so we can do FaceTime or Skype on our HDTVs.

And I don't think we'll have to wait 2-3 years for the next update. Apple will add a small update each year, just enough to justify people to spend $99 each year - which is not much.

I wonder if they just don't make a apple wireless camera or wired "small usb" wired camera the fits the apple tv 2 for face time.
 
My wish list:

-A5

-at least 16gb internal flash to store music and a couple movies locally

-Netflix, Hulu Plus, Pandora, PBS, BBC, Sports, etc

-1080p. Surround sound in more content

-A remote that doesn't need to be exactly perpendicular to the IR receiving lens and within 10 feet (I have a TERRIBLE time getting any commands to register on my parents' ATV2 w/o standing up and holding the remote exactly straight on). Also, I need more interaction with my TV than a directional pad and a select button.

-Better network connectivity (Even out on the coffee table where my macbook gets perfect wireless reception, the ATV2 fails to see half the nearby networks the macbook can or even reliably connect to closest network which has a perfect signal)

-Snappier, more intuitive navigation

-APP STORE (I want home screen widgets dammit. Weather, Youtube subscriptions, Favorites, etc).


And...maybe....An antenna for OTA broadcasts? Local news and PBS piped through my ATV would be sort of sweet.
 
patch the apple tv

i am not that good at the technical detail but i am sure many of you are aware of software which hack your apple tv to make it a bit more...shall we say... personal.
personally my MAIN interest is managing open VPN through my apple tv, which i don't yet own but considering, only if i can watch BBC iplayer.
I know patchstick.com will add openVPN soon but not sure how this would work.
anyone can comment on hacking the apple tv?
Any knowledge of ways to stream open VPN content without needing your computer to be on?
Can apple TV have its own IP address?
 
A5 chip
1080p support
Maybe Thunderbolt port, if they can keep the price down with it.
 
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