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The pictures are really funny, and they do have a point, it'll be interesting to see what happens with it.
there pics are great! i only know one person who got :apple: tv. i just didn't see the reason to spend the money for it. i have the DLO for my video iPod that wroks great with my tv. only cost $100. when u can get dvr with :apple: tv, then i'll think more about it. i think :apple: did :apple:tv was to get their foot in the door of the tv market.
 
So what kind of ATSC tuner are you going to be running in 18 months? ;)

Okay, not quite 18 months: the cutoff date for the legacy analog NTSC broadcasts is February 17th, 2009...but that's now less than 20 months from today.




True, but that's because most homes today have more than just one TV set: there's the "hand me down" and 3rd & 4th TV sets stashed up in the kid's bedrooms that count towards that installed base number. Personally, I'd expect that there's going to be at least one ATSC-tuner equipped TV in 50% of US households within the next 18 months. That's all that's needed to afford a market for the :apple:TV

In counter-balance, a lot of people will continue to get their feeds from Cable (even where OTA ATSC is both a better signal and free), so the real question will be how Cable makes their transition.


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I think you are over estimating the number of hdtv sets that will be in homes in 18 months. The majority in the US get tv by satellite or cable, and are not effected at all by the demise of OTA analog broadcasting. I get mine from DirecTv, including all of my local channels; the only time I ever use OTA is if srvice goes out. For those few that need it, the feds are subsidizing the necessary tuners, so they are (mostly) free.
 
I like it, it think it has a great purpose for me, but I question how big the market for it is...but then again Jobs calling it a "hobby" make me question how many they are selling


Still I'm very glad I have mine!
 
The article is lame

The main complaints in the article are:

1) requires an HDTV
2) there's no way to order a movie directly from the iTunes
3) Apple TV lets you show photos only from a single computer
4) doesn't have a DVD drive or a volume control on its minimalist remote

Point by point:

1) Not true - however I cant use my upscaling DVD player with a standard def TV either.

2) I think this will change eventually. Apple has prided itself in making things less complicated and the two steps to view (computer to tv) will eventually change to one (buy on tv and then transfer to Computer to backup).

3) While this is announcing - one of the first reviews linked on Apples website stated it would be fixed in the future.

4) So and so? I prefer a real DVD player for physical media. THe volume on my DVD remote does not work either - no big deal, I always have two remotes I use. I think most people do - but I could be wrong...
 
Maybe I'm one of the few but the Apple TV is just what I want.I've encoded a LOT of HD music videos and my 2 other Mac's libraries are right there in the living room for me.Fortune needs to get some new cookies.

I agree the Apple TV is exactly what I want - I don't want to waste an entire real computer to sit by my TV.
 
Fortune is the first source that I look to for reviews of consumer devices. :rolleyes:

Hehe ...No it's not but they have a point. I don't own :apple: Tv and not gonna get one for now. First: only US iTMS have movies and shows. Second: resolution suck!! i can get over it on my laptop but not on 40+ screen. there is also third and....like not supporting other formats, no DVR and so on. I can see the point of having one if you rely on your Mac content and you buy a lot from iTMS. But thats not my case. Although I have to admit that IMHO this product has a futere. But it needs few years and development.
 
Not to take away from anyone who's bought one, but I think the market for a glorified photo album and music player that you attach to your TV is pretty slim - I doubt Apple is selling many of these (the guy at a local store laughed when I asked him if they were selling many...he said "not a single one since they've been in the display case").

I mean come on - what do people do with their TVs? They watch movies and TV programs - let's face it, there simply isn't enough content on iTunes (or any alternative) to warrant a complete paradigm shift for the industry - if that's what Apple's trying to do.

DVD players and PVRs are still pervasive - asking people to add one more box to their TV with only a nominal incremental value is asking a lot - but if they could combine existing functions, simplify things, and eliminate a box, I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Put in both a DVD player and a DVR, and I would evangelize it to anyone who would listen. It's especially frustrating when they could be integrated so easily.

I find it hard to disagree with the overall premise of that review...I think Apple missed the mark on features the target market was looking for (or maybe misunderstood the target market?). Such a shame when this could have easily been a much better product. Let's hope someone wakes up before Revision 2 comes out.
 
I've been saying this stuff since last fall. I'd still have to agree with the article. Dud.

I don't think its about HDTV. Its about getting access to your media where you want to watch it.

I bought a cord for less than $20. Did the same thing. Only this magical device lets me watch HD resolution.
 
The article shows loud and clear the bias the antique media has for the new media!

Ignore!

:apple: TV Rocks!
 
Ive wanted an AppleTV since it came out, and, although its pretty cheap compared ot some apple stuff, I just cant figure out what I would really do with one.



If for nothing else I have it streaming my music. The interface alone helping me set up playlist on Itunes and then making everything come together on the AppleTV is well worth the price. PodCast and UTube (in June) will just be an added feature until HD movies can be rented.
Heck I will not even buy a movie from Itunes right now. That much money for a non HD movie...blah.
 
I think you are over estimating the number of hdtv sets that will be in homes in 18 months. The majority in the US get tv by satellite or cable, and are not effected at all by the demise of OTA analog broadcasting. I get mine from DirecTv, including all of my local channels; the only time I ever use OTA is if srvice goes out.

My guess is that 35-40 million new TVs (Edit: all TVs, not just HDTV) are sold per year in the USA, and Neilson estimates the total number of television households within the U.S. (including Alaska and Hawaii) at 111.4 million as of Jan 2007.

Simplistically, that's very roughly 1 new set for every 4 households...or crudely, a new TV set for every household every 4 years. This would suggest that halfway through 4 years (ie, 24 months), each household would be "halfway"...eg, at 50% market share. Since we're already a leg up in adoption, it would make sense if we hit 50% somewhat sooner...eg, the 20 months from now until the NTSC cutoff date.

Fromthis 2004 source, they were expecting 37 million homes to be HD by 2008; which is roughly 33% (as per above Neilson market size estimate).

A year later, this 2005 source predicted a 55%-82% penetration rate by the end of 2010.

Their timelines do differ, but it does suggest at a growth rate of 10%+/year.

LRG published "HDTV 2006: Consumer Awareness, Interest and Ownership", which cited the installed base as roughly 1 in 6 (17%) as of early 2006 when the report was done.

Simplistically, adding 10%/year to this, it would hit 50% in mid-2009

But 1Q06 sales of HDTVs were double (101%) of the prior year, so its unclear to what degree this was being captured by LRG and earlier trend projectors. Because the FCC has finally eliminated the adoption ambiguities and all TVs made today now must have ATSC tuners, in conjunction with lower prices and growth in consumer awareness/interest, I find it very hard to believe that the rate of adoption is going to remain as low as only 10% per year...most consumers buying a digital TV today are probably doing to make the jump, and at 75% of all new sales, market adoption rates would probably go up to 15-20% per year, which if we use that for just the next 18-20 months would result in market penetration of approx 45% (IMO close enough!).

And do keep in mind two things:

First, a household only needs to have one HDTV to be a market opportunity - - it is not that Apple needs 100% of all of the TV's in every home to be HDTV to sell an :apple:TV

Second, its generally more affluent households who buy toys such as this, and the statistics on HDTV market penetration by income suggest that the "17%" share number previously mentioned was for the $50-75K income range, with each the two tiers above each adding very roughly another 10% (to 25% & 38%)...as such, it would not be surprising to see the top ($100K+) tier break 50% this year and the next to follow within 12 months (ie, by the end of 2008).

But overall, I'm just one more guy throwing darts at the wall and making guesses. :D I do think that there's going to be some degree of "pain", particularly amongst lower income levels, which very well may be a large portion of the 20% of households that don't have cable/sat subscriptions.

For those few that need it, the feds are subsidizing the necessary tuners, so they are (mostly) free.

FWIW, I've heard this bit about the Feds subsidies before, but I've not seen any actual information on it. Have you seen anything useful?


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If for nothing else I have it streaming my music. The interface alone helping me set up playlist on Itunes and then making everything come together on the AppleTV is well worth the price. PodCast and UTube (in June) will just be an added feature until HD movies can be rented.
Heck I will not even buy a movie from Itunes right now. That much money for a non HD movie...blah.
I have contemplated getting an :apple:TV for music also. I currently have a Roku SoundBridge which works great except that the only way to select songs is via the unit's small front panel display. I am trying out a DLO HomeDock Deluxe which has on-screen selection but has other major issues. I would be quite willing to spend the money if I knew that the menu would be readable and look decent on my 4:3 analog tv (yes, it has component inputs but is not HD). Have you tried or seen the menu display on a 4:3 tv?
 
the AppleTV always kinda baffled me. its a gimped mini. say what you want...but it is. i don't think it does enough for the price they are charging.
now if it was a fully functional mac (without having to hack it) that worked on a TV with some DVR functionality i think it would be much more plausible. even charge a bit more than its introduced price.
personally i always thought the mini was the ideal home entertaiment computer. i thought it would eventually be rebranded and pushed as a home media center PC. well i guess it sort of is now (AppleTV).
i think the product will get better over time, but certainly not a smooth launch and a bit of a miscalculation of the consumer on Apple's part.

right now i find much more value using the XBOX360 + Connect360 ($20 software to share media from a mac to a 360) to stream my music and videos from my mac to my livingroom. the price is the same ($299) and the 360 has much more functionality. sure it doesn't have the slick Front Row interface, but i can do without that if it saves me another $300. this combination works great currently and the only things it won't play are the protected files. all my ripped H.264 videos stream fine as do all of my MP3/AAC files/Photos.
 
I agree the Apple TV is exactly what I want - I don't want to waste an entire real computer to sit by my TV.

Who's wasting? My Mm does a lot. Electric Sheep, DVD ripping, web server, music/movie server, emulators, backup server, etc. Granted, I've always been interested in the "headless" side of things, but there is a vast amount of stuff you can do with a computer that doesn't have a keyboard, mouse, or conveniently-placed monitor.
 
Who's wasting? My Mm does a lot. Electric Sheep, DVD ripping, web server, music/movie server, emulators, backup server, etc. Granted, I've always been interested in the "headless" side of things, but there is a vast amount of stuff you can do with a computer that doesn't have a keyboard, mouse, or conveniently-placed monitor.

I already have a computer for all that.

All I want to do now is watch the iTunes stuff I already have on my TV. Should I get another computer to do that?
 
Even with upcoming YouTube, Apple TV lacks that special "wow" to garner attention beyond select Apple fans. Joost integration would qualify as a wow, as would 720p/1080p 5.1-channel contents, iTunes video rental store, and Dashboard Apple TV widgets. Heck, videos from iTunes Store don't even have subtitle (important DVD feature for many). Fortunately, "wows" can be added via firmware update, so hopefully, Apple will provide at least some of them in the future. Most of my friends and colleague respond to Apple TV with "OK I get it, but so what?" type of response. The original iPod received "I want it but it's so expensive and doesn't work in Windows" response. "So what?" is far more difficult perception to overcome.
 
Really, it should have been the next airport express. If I could stream any video file to the thing from quicktime, with 5.1 sound, and use it as a wireless N router with a shared USB external drive that I could also play videos off, I would have already bought one.
 
It doesn't require a HDTV, just one with component inputs.

I love my AppleTV, fortunemag can go......you know!

Very few non-HDTVs have component inputs.

I don't have a single TV in the house with component inputs, and I don't own an HDTV.
 
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But overall, I'm just one more guy throwing darts at the wall and making guesses. :D
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Quick update:

Just came across this recent article this morning - a December 2006 survey by the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) which says that 28% percent of U.S. households now have an HD television set.

The CEA also set the number of HDTVs in the USA at 35 million; dividing, this would suggest 125 million households (14 million {13%} higher than Neilson's estimate).


-hh
 
"Apple TV's coolest feature is one that wasn't even intended: the screensaver, which plays an ethereal slide show of your digital photos. I guess that tops Zune's sexiest feature, which I would argue is that you can buy it in brown. Love the brown."

This is where I stopped reading the article.
 
"Apple TV's coolest feature is one that wasn't even intended: the screensaver, which plays an ethereal slide show of your digital photos. I guess that tops Zune's sexiest feature, which I would argue is that you can buy it in brown. Love the brown."

This is where I stopped reading the article.

I think they were being sarcastic.
 
Exactly my point. If you connect your laptop or the mini to your TV you get so much more. You don't have to worry about possibly losing your wireless connection to your content (a cable is always more reliable). Also, I like to see the visualizer on my plasma TV when I listen to music. I often turn out the lights and play guitar along with it. You can't do that with :apple: tv which is disappointing. I just use my mbp.

Being overshadowed by the mini may be a reason the mini hasn't been updated for so long (don't want to hurt their :apple: tv sales).

I bought a cord for less than $20. Did the same thing. Only this magical device lets me watch HD resolution.
 
Quick update:

Just came across this recent article this morning - a December 2006 survey by the Consumer Electronics Association (CEA) which says that 28% percent of U.S. households now have an HD television set.

The CEA also set the number of HDTVs in the USA at 35 million; dividing, this would suggest 125 million households (14 million {13%} higher than Neilson's estimate).


-hh

The sale of HD sets now substantially exceeds SD sets. This crossover occurred in 2006, I believe.
 
I've always thought that people are missing the point of the Apple tv. I use my Apple tv for the purposes that Apple intended as far as I can see. For the new media stuff found on the net. Watching Diggnation on my tv makes it much more enjoyable to watch. The YouTube addon completely makes sense in my point of view, and I am quite looking forward to it. I think Apple is once again ahead of the curve here. If the thing fails I it would only be because they are too far ahead of the curve. Then again I'm the odd one amongst most people I know for doing things ahead of the curve.
 
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