Apple TV (Television) Design Concept

[Apple Key]

Definitely will still work through iOS devices.
(I can just see Steve on stage had he still been around, talking about "now how many times have you lost the remote, well no more, because you can just use you phone.")

The touch screen remote is a good idea especially for the key board and # pad, because I can see having to navigate one on the screen being a complaint.
Was that much of a complaint from ATV2. I have one and use it often but I'm too lazy to complain about things like that.

Yeah, I think navigating with the ATV remote is awesome. The only thing that is a huge pain is entering text. It takes forever to look up a youtube video. That is why I think the keyboard is necessary, unless Apple can think of a better way though (not sure if Siri is reliable enough yet for data entry like this).

 

[skedssays]

How close to the unit do you sit?? I ask because Im wondering the remote of my ATv2 won't work beyond a certain distance (18 feet) and also needs LoS for signal. If I strap the ATV to the back, I think I may have communication issues between the remote and the ATV.

Probably about 15 feet, dont see any difference from when I had the apple tv sitting on top of my cable box in clear sight. I use rowmote a lot more from my iphone but the stock remote still works fine.

 

[hafr]

Believe or not, I do believe the TV will have a remote very similar to that, if not exactly that, the big deal about the iTV will be Siri, all you need to do is hold down the center ('home') bottom and talk to the TV. no need for anything else, only basic funtions as Pause/play, volume, Rwd/fwrd.

If a TV set like that will have voice commands, I think it will be with a microphone in the remote. It's not like everyone lives by themselves in an environment without background noise, and I reckon enough people at Apple have kids for this issue not to have been brought up

 

[.Mat]

If a TV set like that will have voice commands, I think it will be with a microphone in the remote. It's not like everyone lives by themselves in an environment without background noise, and I reckon enough people at Apple have kids for this issue not to have been brought up

Good point. I'm no expert on microphones, but one would hop they were working non a background noise filter but this will never be good enough to block out other peoples voices.

If any voice commands are present I believe it will have to go through a button pressed first.To many other variables.

 

[Apple Key]

If a TV set like that will have voice commands, I think it will be with a microphone in the remote. It's not like everyone lives by themselves in an environment without background noise, and I reckon enough people at Apple have kids for this issue not to have been brought up

I think it's a problem if the iPhone remote is better than the one that comes with the TV. I think Apple will have to address that in some way.

Also, as far as the current simple ATV remote goes, there are drawbacks.

Example case: On my current TV set, I can mute the TV with one single button. Using the current Apple TV remote, I imagine I would have to go through a menu and select an option.

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Good point. I'm no expert on microphones, but one would hop they were working non a background noise filter but this will never be good enough to block out other peoples voices.

If any voice commands are present I believe it will have to go through a button pressed first.To many other variables.

When I'm watching something on TV and eating dinner and my hands are sticky, I don't want to have to touch the remote. I don't know if there is, but I wish there was a better way to do this so you didn't have to touch the remote at all, unless you wanted to.

 

[bniu]

how about they add a few HDMI ports to the back of the Apple Thunderbolt Display? Put in a 1080p panel, take out the thunderbolt parts, take out the usb/firewire/ethernet ports, and boom, Apple TV! The Thunderbolt Display screen is incredible. The best display I have ever purchased!

 

[hafr]

I think it's a problem if the iPhone remote is better than the one that comes with the TV. I think Apple will have to address that in some way.

Also, as far as the current simple ATV remote goes, there are drawbacks.

Example case: On my current TV set, I can mute the TV with one single button. Using the current Apple TV remote, I imagine I would have to go through a menu and select an option.

Should Apple make a TV set, I think the remote would look more like a traditional remote than their current remote. I'm not saying it would resemble what we today look to as a standard TV remote, just more so than the current.

Maybe an iPad/iPod touch/iPhone solution with a mute switch and volume buttons on the side?

 

[Apple Key]

Should Apple make a TV set, I think the remote would look more like a traditional remote than their current remote. I'm not saying it would resemble what we today look to as a standard TV remote, just more so than the current.

Maybe an iPad/iPod touch/iPhone solution with a mute switch and volume buttons on the side?

I agree with you. I think it will specifically be touch screen though.

 

[GoCubsGo]

If and when it ever comes, I hope the base comes off easily like a standard TV for wall-mounting. I don't believe the current displays were intended to be either desk or wall mount. You can do it, I get it, but I don't think that was the design. I could be wrong.

I'd also like to see something that radiates less heat than their ACDs. I am unsure how their current line up does but my three aluminum ACDs radiate enough heat to keep me cozy in the winter.

 

[Apple Key]

how about they add a few HDMI ports to the back of the Apple Thunderbolt Display? Put in a 1080p panel, take out the thunderbolt parts, take out the usb/firewire/ethernet ports, and boom, Apple TV! The Thunderbolt Display screen is incredible. The best display I have ever purchased!

Still not as nice as my Apple 30" Cinema Display.

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If and when it ever comes, I hope the base comes off easily like a standard TV for wall-mounting. I don't believe the current displays were intended to be either desk or wall mount. You can do it, I get it, but I don't think that was the design. I could be wrong.

I'd also like to see something that radiates less heat than their ACDs. I am unsure how their current line up does but my three aluminum ACDs radiate enough heat to keep me cozy in the winter.

That's a very good point. Even if they used a similar design to their current displays, they would have to adapt the base. They definitely need to allow the user to wall mount it, if they want these to sell. It's something consumers have come to expect.

The new LED displays give off a lot less heat, so I imagine this wouldn't be much of an issue.

 

[hafr]

I agree with you. I think it will specifically be touch screen though.

I doubt it, and I base that solely on how much I absolutely hate having to look down to see what I'm doing when I'm controlling a TV. If there will be a touch screen, it should be together with physical buttons, maybe to facilitate say browsing the web or enter text. But not to replace play, pause, menu and things like that.

 

[Apple Key]

I doubt it, and I base that solely on how much I absolutely hate having to look down to see what I'm doing when I'm controlling a TV. If there will be a touch screen, it should be together with physical buttons, maybe to facilitate say browsing the web or enter text. But not to replace play, pause, menu and things like that.

I don't think this is a problem with the current iPhone ATV remote app. You can easily see it in the dark too.

 

[maturola]

If a TV set like that will have voice commands, I think it will be with a microphone in the remote. It's not like everyone lives by themselves in an environment without background noise, and I reckon enough people at Apple have kids for this issue not to have been brought up

Yeah, i was thinking the mic on the remote, just like siri work on the iphone

 

[Irishman]

Always thought that picture was based off the Kuro design.

It is. Actually the 9th and last generation of KURO Elite, looks like they just photoshopped the "Elite" name badge and signature power on light on the left lower corner.

 

[hafr]

I don't think this is a problem with the current iPhone ATV remote app. You can easily see it in the dark too.

I don't know if you misinterpreted what I said, or if I'm missing something... Basically, I'm saying I don't want a touch screen remote because I hate having to look down to locate buttons like play, pause and so on. This is the reason why I'm not using the remote app. I want to be able to just grab the remote and locate buttons without having to stop looking at the TV.

Or do you mean that you can pick up your iPhone, unlock it, enter the app and press pause without having to look at it, and as fast as if you would've used the actual remote? In that case you're better than me

You don't need a touch screen to locate something on a remote in the dark.

 

[wrinkster22]

Cool Design,

I personally believe it will follow the aluminum trend

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I think it will look more like the TBD

 

[ramange]

Ditto

I already have an appletv, it's just my 42 inch with an apple tv 2 velcro'd to the back...figure I'd save myself $2000

 

[Apple Key]

I don't know if you misinterpreted what I said, or if I'm missing something... Basically, I'm saying I don't want a touch screen remote because I hate having to look down to locate buttons like play, pause and so on. This is the reason why I'm not using the remote app. I want to be able to just grab the remote and locate buttons without having to stop looking at the TV.

Or do you mean that you can pick up your iPhone, unlock it, enter the app and press pause without having to look at it, and as fast as if you would've used the actual remote? In that case you're better than me

You don't need a touch screen to locate something on a remote in the dark.

I actually can unlock my iPhone (including inputting unlock code) without looking at it.

I totally understand what you're saying though. I just believe that for the general user, this won't be an issue and they won't mind looking down for a second. I would even venture a guess that most people do look down before pressing a button.

 

[whooleytoo]

I don't know if you misinterpreted what I said, or if I'm missing something... Basically, I'm saying I don't want a touch screen remote because I hate having to look down to locate buttons like play, pause and so on. This is the reason why I'm not using the remote app. I want to be able to just grab the remote and locate buttons without having to stop looking at the TV.

That's certainly true; so for casual flicking through channels a touch-screen remote wouldn't work that well. I guess Apple could use flick gestures for channel (two fingers left & right) and volume (two fingers up & down).

But if you want to watch a programme by selecting from an EPG, you're better off with a touchscreen remote (like an iPad). Most on-screen EPGs fill the screen anyway, whereas an iPad lets you browse what's available while still letting you continue watching on TV.

IMO, that's the direction Apple wants us to move in. Instead of a remote pointed at the TV, we select the content on the iPhone/iPad and the TV becomes just a dumb output display.

 

[hafr]

I actually can unlock my iPhone (including inputting unlock code) without looking at it.

I totally understand what you're saying though. I just believe that for the general user, this won't be an issue and they won't mind looking down for a second. I would even venture a guess that most people do look down before pressing a button.

That's great, but then all of a sudden you skip to the next chapter instead of pausing...

It's not only about looking down for a second to find the right place, it's also about being able to repeat the same "button press" over and over without losing track. Imagine changing volume for instance. These aren't just fears that I have, these are actual issues I had with my dad's universal remote which had touch screen buttons. It was so annoying I chose to use the four separate remotes...

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That's certainly true; so for casual flicking through channels a touch-screen remote wouldn't work that well. I guess Apple could use flick gestures for channel (two fingers left & right) and volume (two fingers up & down).

But if you want to watch a programme by selecting from an EPG, you're better off with a touchscreen remote (like an iPad). Most on-screen EPGs fill the screen anyway, whereas an iPad lets you browse what's available while still letting you continue watching on TV.

IMO, that's the direction Apple wants us to move in. Instead of a remote pointed at the TV, we select the content on the iPhone/iPad and the TV becomes just a dumb output display.

Imagine that, having to use two hands to flip between channels

 

[whooleytoo]

Imagine that, having to use two hands to flip between channels

Look on the bright side, with both hands busy you don't have any had free for snacks. It'll be great for weight-loss!

 

[Apple Key]

That's great, but then all of a sudden you skip to the next chapter instead of pausing...

It's not only about looking down for a second to find the right place, it's also about being able to repeat the same "button press" over and over without losing track. Imagine changing volume for instance. These aren't just fears that I have, these are actual issues I had with my dad's universal remote which had touch screen buttons. It was so annoying I chose to use the four separate remotes...

Sorry, I believe you to not be the general user. Out of curiosity, do you have a touchscreen cell phone?

My opinion still holds: Siri + touch screen remote = solution

 

[Hawkeye16]

Touch screen would be bad, fingerprints on a large screen would get tiresome very quickly. I think being able to use an iPhone and an iPad as the video remote, possibly as a mirrored touchscreen even would be pretty cool.

Seems like most of the pictures left the iSight off but they would almost surely put some camera in the TV so you could chat with people... everything they put out pretty much has a camera now.

Personally, I think if they were going to release a television, they would not have scaled back the Apple TV. Why scale back a product that works with non-Apple tv sets as well... I don't think they would do that just to "force" you to buy a television from them.

 

[darster]

Anything smaller than a 50 inch screen and 4k will be a failure, and will be considered a Tim Cook failure for not understanding the direction the tv industry is moving.

 

[.Mat]

This is actually really funny. This conversation has me looking at all the remotes I can find around here and at home.

I'm still a big believer that it could be done on the current apple remote, the only hesitation I have is the mute function ( which the only thing I have been able to think of would be holding down the arrow for volume down for a second or two for mute). all the other functions I could think of could be consolidated into on screen menus or button combinations.

I know it wouldn't be much like remotes for TVs now days, they just aren't sleek enough for apple. But the touch screen also drives up a lot of concerns.

May be this is one of the things keeping this TV from becoming a reality. The remote is a staple in the modern tv set. It could very well make or brake the product.

IDK

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Anything smaller than a 50 inch screen and 4k will be a failure, and will be considered a Tim Cook failure for not understanding the direction the tv industry is moving.

I agree with these concerns, especially with this being one of the markets that is open for this company to advance in. On a company that put a lot of emphasis on one man before it could very easily become his fault.

I could see them making something smaller than 50" but only to have a more budget item (haha, not necessarily Apple's strong suit). But this would stand to a more historically American view of everyone being able to fulfill the american dream and have these sets in their home (or the company could go with the mentality that if you want a cheap tv pay someone else to make it).

Point being: I can see this being room for a 30-40, 40-60, & 70"