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The biggest con is no hard drive! I dont want to wire my laptop up to an external and have 4 devices running just to see my entire library.

1. ATV 2. Laptop 3. HD 4.TV

Whats the point in having an energy efficient ATV if you have to run all the other stuff along with it?
Steve Jobs is banking on users to rent. I had a fairly large VHS and DVD collection, now i have a large digital media collection. I was never a big fan of Blockbuster and renting. I do have Netflix though but that's a whole different story and different price point from iTunes rentals. Yes Apple TV does support Netflix but Apple is hoping to get some of your hard earned dollars for iTunes rentals.
 
No Hulu (Steve Jobs will roll-over in his grave before he supports Hulu)

I used to think that, but then Apple added Netflix support to the ATV2. That blew me away: I thought Apple would never put Netflix on the Apple TV, since it would directly compete with iTunes movie rentals. And yet, there it is. I think Apple changed it's business model when they released the ATV2. iTunes will always be there (and currently has the widest selections of movies/shows to purchase), but Apple is not going to stop Netflix and other services like Hulu from offering subscription services, so why not join them and capitalize by getting people to purchase the ATV hardware?

I expect Hulu+ will be available on ATV at some point in the future. They just need to strike the same deal with ATV that Netflix did.

Not enough filters for shared movies. Genre, Viewed, Nonviewed are the ONLY filters. (see Plex or XBox Media Center to compare)

AGREE. I want the ability to organize my home movies in iTunes in file structure like: year --> event. Such that I have one "folder" for all home movies from 2009, one for 2010, etc. And then within those, another subdivision for different events with multiple movies in them, like "Hawaii trip", or "Christmas videos" or things like that. As it currently stands, the only thing I can do is assign my home movies different "genres" in iTunes (my genres are things like "Hawaii trip 2010", or "Videos of the dog", etc.). So you can do "folders", in a sense, but you can't do sub-folders.

So in other words, when I'm adding my movies to iTunes, uncheck it, but since I consolidate all of my music when I add it, I'll have to remember to check it again? Bleh. But I'll deal I suppose.

Tip: Instead of unchecking that box in the preferences, just leave it checked. Now, when you want to import an item (music or video), just drag the file into itunes: Before you let go of the mouse button, there will be a green plus sign that appears on your cursor to show you that the file will be COPIED into the iTunes Media Library. If you DON'T want the file to be copied, just hold the "option" key and you won't see the green plus sign. The movie will be "imported" into itunes in the sense that iTunes will now see it, but the file itself won't be duplicated or moved.

So, just remember to use the option+drag when you don't want the file to be copied, and the regular drag or import when you want the file to be copied into the itunes media library.

I have over 300 avi-format movies on my Drobo. The AppleTV is going to force me to scroll through all of those without a way of filtering. That's after the 600 hours of transcoding with VideoMonkey... oh well.

Out of curiosity, how long did it take you to rip all those DVDs onto your Drobo? I've heard on these and other forums of people talking about all their DVD content they've ripped to their hard drive, but I have trouble understanding why someone would want to spend the time, money, and storage space to put that many movies onto a hard drive array. The only benefit I can see is the ability to watch any of them without having to put a disk into a DVD player tray. . . and I don't see that as being worth the effort.

Especially nowadays when most of those movies are probably available to stream for a $10/month netflix subscription, and you probably don't watch most of those movies more than once a year, so in many cases it costs less $-per-view to rent it than to own it.

It is a rare movie that I am willing to purchase (on disk or from iTunes or however), nowadays. If I love the move, I might get it on Blu-ray on sale. But otherwise I have access to just about any movie I want via Netflix disk (within a couple days) or Netflix streaming instantly, all for $10/month. Or if I really want to watch it right now I can rent it from iTunes / Amazon On Demand / Cinema Now/ Pay-per-view instantly.
 
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The biggest con is no hard drive! I dont want to wire my laptop up to an external and have 4 devices running just to see my entire library.

1. ATV 2. Laptop 3. HD 4.TV

Whats the point in having an energy efficient ATV if you have to run all the other stuff along with it?

AirPlay
 
Out of curiosity, how long did it take you to rip all those DVDs onto your Drobo? I've heard on these and other forums of people talking about all their DVD content they've ripped to their hard drive, but I have trouble understanding why someone would want to spend the time, money, and storage space to put that many movies onto a hard drive array. The only benefit I can see is the ability to watch any of them without having to put a disk into a DVD player tray. . . and I don't see that as being worth the effort.

Especially nowadays when most of those movies are probably available to stream for a $10/month netflix subscription, and you probably don't watch most of those movies more than once a year, so in many cases it costs less $-per-view to rent it than to own it.

It is a rare movie that I am willing to purchase (on disk or from iTunes or however), nowadays. If I love the move, I might get it on Blu-ray on sale. But otherwise I have access to just about any movie I want via Netflix disk (within a couple days) or Netflix streaming instantly, all for $10/month. Or if I really want to watch it right now I can rent it from iTunes / Amazon On Demand / Cinema Now/ Pay-per-view instantly.

I'm with you, buying movies doesn't make a whole lot of sense anymore when you have Netflix, OnDemand, etc.... If I did buy movies I would probably rip them they same way I have done with all of my CDs though.
 
Agreed to the fullest extent. Since my iPod Touch's headphone jack stopped working, I've been relying on my 32 GB iPhone for my portable music. I have several smart playlists synced that depend on play count, most obvious one being my "Most Spun" (play count of 10 or higher). Kinda disappointed that my Apple TV I'm waiting to arrive won't support that.

I am curious though, as someone mentioned that iTunes is your portal for more or less all content from your computer, do I need to import all of my movies into iTunes? And if I do, am I able to not let it consolidate and save it to a new iTunes Movies folder and rather keep them on an external hard drive?

ALl very nice, but as I have an integrated library which includes my stuff, my wifes stuff, my two teenage daughters stuff, play count for me is just not feasible. I use smart playlists all the way, to handle music and movies, but playcount would so distort the playlists as my 2 teenage daughters taste in movies and music is extremely different then mine or my wifes. And they also have an atv so their activities would effect the playcount.

Instead I tend to add keywords into the comments field of either music or movies, even TV shows, and my smart playlists are geared around finding particular comments to construct themselves.

For movies smart playlists from when the movies were added (last 7 days or last 28 days), whos starring in them, what period they were made, 50s 60s etc etc, to for the wife, Chick Flick fake genre (which I refuse to have as an actual genre).

As for all content into iTunes...yes, all mine is, but I control where my movies and TV SHows get stored, but let it handle the organisation of my music.
 
I keep seeing people thinking Apple is focused on selling iTunes content and don't believe they will or can't understand why they have and will allow other sources of content on their devices. This is because you all don't understand Apple's business strategy.

Apple is a hardware company and selling the hardware is far more important to them than selling iTunes content. If you look at a pie chart of Apple's income, iTunes content makes up only a tiny sliver. Barely even noticeable. The iTunes content is just a means to an end. That's why Netflix, Hulu, ABC, Pandora, and countless other tv, music, and movie content apps which compete with iTunes content were approved by Apple for iOS and even featured in commercials and on stage when announcing new iOS software and hardware updates.

I don't see why that would change with the iOS powered Apple TV. Apple is going to continue to push making content (music, movies, tv shows, etc.) cheaper, more convenient, more (legally) available, and more enjoyable for people using their hardware to keep people buying their hardware over the competition as that has always been their business strategy and edge ever since the iPod.

The Apple TV might not be Apple's most profitable hardware on its own but it certainly makes owning or remaining an owner of an iPod Touch, iPhone, or iPad highly desirable and gives Apple an edge against companies like Motorola, Dell, HP, HTC, RIM, Samsung, Nokia, and other hardware manufacturers it competes with that don't have that type of full integration. The living room is the last piece of the puzzle for Apple's ecosystem.
 
Great little device for the bedroom. I have the original TV in the living room and picked up the 2nd gen TV since it allows me to rent shows and movies in the bedroom and also connect to my iTunes library on my HP Media Server. So I no longer have to keep my laptop on to stream. Everything is consolidated in one location, and now I can stream to both locations with ease. No brainer for $99. Plus with the size it easily fits right underneath the TV and the base, practically blends in.
 
NO INTERNAL STORAGE!!!!! :mad:

Why is the "no internal storage" such a big thumbs down. You can keep all of that data stored on an ext hard drive that is easier and less expensive to expand as your collection grows.

The fact that you need to run itunes in order to assccess that data may be a more valid "con". Though we have pretty much let our Apples run all the time anyway going all the way back to the old Performa 6400 we had back in the 90's. That unit lasted over 5 years and we only replaced because it was outdated not "broke" in any way. Same goes for the MDD G4 that was just replace by our imac we have had that one since about 2002
 
AGREE. I want the ability to organize my home movies in iTunes in file structure like: year --> event. Such that I have one "folder" for all home movies from 2009, one for 2010, etc. And then within those, another subdivision for different events with multiple movies in them, like "Hawaii trip", or "Christmas videos" or things like that. As it currently stands, the only thing I can do is assign my home movies different "genres" in iTunes (my genres are things like "Hawaii trip 2010", or "Videos of the dog", etc.). So you can do "folders", in a sense, but you can't do sub-folders.


I've done something similar. I put my home movies under the genre "Home Movies" and then name the video file "2010:10:20 Pumpkin Patch". Then, they're at least in chronological order.

and also connect to my iTunes library on my HP Media Server. So I no longer have to keep my laptop on to stream.


Wow, wait you can do that with the HP Media Server? I had no clue. That might actually be worth picking up.
 
Another way to organize movies is through playlists, i picked this idea of from someone else on this forum. I have a playlist for kids movies (so my kids don't browse the grown up pics), a playlist for grown up movies, so I can browse without seeing the kids junk. And you can create playlists for whatever you want. I manually maintain them (not like i am adding movies everyday so it is easy, everytime i add a movie i decide which playlists to add it to). Never tried but maybe you can automate the playlists in itunes?

Just another idea, seems to work well. People always say apple doesn't let you organize your content well, but between genre's and playlists you can do quite a bit (more than on many other products), it just might not be the way some people would have envisaged it.

On the home movies side i set them up as a tv show and it works really well. The are all part of the tv show called 'Home Movies', and each year is a season, you can set the season to 2010, 2009, ... and it works well. I put the episode number/trade number as the month the video was created and it sorts them pretty well. I find this to be a great way to organize home movies.

Even though apple put personal content under a separate menu item (Computers) to highlight content for sale, i don't think it was an afterthought, I actually think itunes and atv give you more flexibility than many other platforms, though we will always want more :) including fixing some of the new bugs.

Peter
 
On the home movies side i set them up as a tv show and it works really well. The are all part of the tv show called 'Home Movies', and each year is a season, you can set the season to 2010, 2009, ... and it works well. I put the episode number/trade number as the month the video was created and it sorts them pretty well. I find this to be a great way to organize home movies.

That, my friend, is a brilliant idea. Makes me feel a little foolish for not thinking of it myself.
 
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thehellobob said:
On the home movies side i set them up as a tv show and it works really well. The are all part of the tv show called 'Home Movies', and each year is a season, you can set the season to 2010, 2009, ... and it works well. I put the episode number/trade number as the month the video was created and it sorts them pretty well. I find this to be a great way to organize home movies.

That, my friend, is a brilliant idea. Makes me feel a little foolish for not thinking of it myself.

Ditto!!! If you don't mind, I will borrow your idea :)
 
Another way to organize movies is through playlists, i picked this idea of from someone else on this forum. I have a playlist for kids movies (so my kids don't browse the grown up pics), a playlist for grown up movies, so I can browse without seeing the kids junk. And you can create playlists for whatever you want. I manually maintain them (not like i am adding movies everyday so it is easy, everytime i add a movie i decide which playlists to add it to). Never tried but maybe you can automate the playlists in itunes?

Just another idea, seems to work well. People always say apple doesn't let you organize your content well, but between genre's and playlists you can do quite a bit (more than on many other products), it just might not be the way some people would have envisaged it.

On the home movies side i set them up as a tv show and it works really well. The are all part of the tv show called 'Home Movies', and each year is a season, you can set the season to 2010, 2009, ... and it works well. I put the episode number/trade number as the month the video was created and it sorts them pretty well. I find this to be a great way to organize home movies.

Even though apple put personal content under a separate menu item (Computers) to highlight content for sale, i don't think it was an afterthought, I actually think itunes and atv give you more flexibility than many other platforms, though we will always want more :) including fixing some of the new bugs.

Peter

Both the above are brilliant ideas, thank you so much for sharing. Looking forward to going home after work to try the above out!
Cheers
Vanilla
 
Another way to organize movies is through playlists, i picked this idea of from someone else on this forum. I have a playlist for kids movies (so my kids don't browse the grown up pics), a playlist for grown up movies, so I can browse without seeing the kids junk. And you can create playlists for whatever you want. I manually maintain them (not like i am adding movies everyday so it is easy, everytime i add a movie i decide which playlists to add it to). Never tried but maybe you can automate the playlists in itunes?

Just another idea, seems to work well. People always say apple doesn't let you organize your content well, but between genre's and playlists you can do quite a bit (more than on many other products), it just might not be the way some people would have envisaged it.

On the home movies side i set them up as a tv show and it works really well. The are all part of the tv show called 'Home Movies', and each year is a season, you can set the season to 2010, 2009, ... and it works well. I put the episode number/trade number as the month the video was created and it sorts them pretty well. I find this to be a great way to organize home movies.

Even though apple put personal content under a separate menu item (Computers) to highlight content for sale, i don't think it was an afterthought, I actually think itunes and atv give you more flexibility than many other platforms, though we will always want more :) including fixing some of the new bugs.

Peter


I use a smart playlist and you can play with the genre name and the smart list will be updated automatically as you add movies.
 
thehellobob, you can if you install iTunes on HP Media Server with some alterations to the installer package. That way you can stream iTunes movies.

Directions even work on iTunes 10, 10.0.1, and I'm sure 10.1 once I get the final release. Not going to put the Beta on the server even though I have it for Mac OS X so I could update my iPhone 4.2.

http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/09/11/help-key-install-itunes-9-on-windows-home-server/
 
I was hoping for VLC for Apple TV but after seeing the news that the iPhone version might get pulled from the App Store its highly unlikely. That alone would've made it perfect for myself and many other users. For now, WD TV will be a much better option.

I returned my ATV and got a WDTV Live Hub. So far so good, it plays everything I throw at it and has metadata!
 
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Omne666 said:
The biggest con for me is that Home Sharing doesn't support playcounts. How can something so integral to iTunes be left out? Utterly ridiculous and disappointing.

Really? Integral? Like for what? Not being disparaging but ive never seen the use of it.

I hear you... Why is playcount important?
 
not really sure how bit torrent would work on the apple tv... it's basically a scaled up desktop iphone, isn't it?
 
.................................... why not complain about the fact that it doesn't work properly in the many parts of the world where video runs at 50Hz? I am hoping they can fix this with a firmware upgrade.

ok, this 50Hz problem is then not a real problem. It's only when you are outside the US. Can't you switch your TV to 60Hz to compensate?
 
I've owned the new AppleTV for a few weeks. I'm only keeping it because I know the jailbreak community will come through with apps that allow it to do what it is supposed to.

PROS:
  1. $99 is cheap
  2. Looks good next to my black Sony Bravia
  3. Easy to configure
  4. Sees all of my iTunes shares
  5. Love the new metal remote compared to the crappy white flimsy one.
  6. Sees photos, music, movies* (not AVI though) from other iTunes collections.
CONS:
  1. No Hulu (Steve Jobs will roll-over in his grave before he supports Hulu)
  2. No AVI support. -- Only supports .MOV and .MP4 formats.
  3. Have to transcode everything with VisualHub or VideoMonkey. Ugh.
  4. Not enough filters for shared movies. Genre, Viewed, Nonviewed are the ONLY filters. (see Plex or XBox Media Center to compare)
  5. Can't directly attach my Drobo to AppleTV
  6. Can't run bittorrent on AppleTV
I like my new Apple TV. Here is my pros/cons. :D
PROS:
  1. $99.
  2. Tiny size.
  3. No cooling fan.
  4. No internal HDD.
  5. Support Netflix.
  6. Support iTunes (video, music, photos)
  7. AirPlay in the future.
  8. A4 Processor (possible app store)
  9. 8GB flash memory.
  10. Aluminium remote controller.
CONS:
  1. Support only H264+AAC codec.
  2. Poor wireless N performance.
  3. Bugs (Home Sharing, Subtitle).
  4. No video AirPlay now (iOS 4.2GM).
Neither PROS nor CONS:
  1. 720P HDMI output.
  2. No internet browser.
  3. No flash.
 
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I hear you... Why is playcount important?

I already stated why I think playcounts are important.

Yes, playcounts are an integral part of the iTunes/i-Devices ecosystem, if you use smart playlists.

I have an iPhone, and since it's not the 160GB iPod I was used to, I use smart playlists to sync a good portion of stuff. For instance, I have a smart playlist with Rating is in the range 3 stars to 5 stars that haven't been played in six months or longer. On the old Apple TV, I could listen to a song, then it would drop off the playlist, and when I was to sync my iPod, the playlist would be updated.

Because the new ATV doesn't sync, this is not currently possible. I don't care about syncing content back and forth, but I do want the new ATV to sync metadata, i.e. ratings/playcounts/etc.

There are a lot of other uses for playcounts in smart playlists.

Plus, even if you don't use smart playlists, its nice to know when/how many times you listened to a track.

Even if you don't agree, why would such a feature that has been part of all the devices that sync with iTunes suddenly not be supported?

In my mind, it would be like album art suddenly not being supported on the next iPhone. You buy the iPhone, open up the iPod app and find there is no coverflow or artwork to be found. It may mean different things to different people (some would feel ripped off, others wouldn't care), but why would they take a feature that's been present on every Apple device with a screen for at least 5 years?
 
ok, this 50Hz problem is then not a real problem. It's only when you are outside the US. Can't you switch your TV to 60Hz to compensate?

First, did you really intend to say the bit in bold?!? You're matching the stereotype we have about Americans :rolleyes:

Second, did you bother to read what I posted? My TV can handle NTSC sources, so rentals from iTunes (60Hz) content work fine. The issue is with encodes from DVD etc. These are at 50Hz so having the output locked at 60Hz is not acceptable. Yes Apple won't care about encodes from DVD or Bluray but Apple's own movie editing software (iMovie) produces 50Hz video when editing home movies.

Hope that helps you to understand why it is a serious flaw until they fix the output to match the capabilities of ATV1.
 
I already stated why I think playcounts are important.



Even if you don't agree, why would such a feature that has been part of all the devices that sync with iTunes suddenly not be supported?

In my mind, it would be like album art suddenly not being supported on the next iPhone. You buy the iPhone, open up the iPod app and find there is no coverflow or artwork to be found. It may mean different things to different people (some would feel ripped off, others wouldn't care), but why would they take a feature that's been present on every Apple device with a screen for at least 5 years?


I agree that dropping it now is not a smooth move by Apple. That I dont use it, or even could see how to use it (until your post), has nothing to do with it. Im sure Apple will be fixing it. Like you say, people would scream if the artwork features were dropped after all these years. With that in mind, we have to allow for the fact this is atv2, version 1. Stuff I like on atv1 is also missing on atv2.

Software update required Apple!!!
 
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