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"All screen" in Apple language is meaningless. Apple considers the "new" 10.9" base iPad to be an "All-Screen Design" despite its bezels being so large that they can fully encompass the front-facing camera.
For a larger hand-held device like an iPad I would not want the bezels to be any smaller as there would be no place for your fingers when holding it. A phone is different as you can hold it by the edges, but bezels have a functional reason on a table.
 
Bruhh what lol? Under display fingerprint technology has been around for ages. Infact, the latest 3D Ultrasonic fingerprint sensor from Qualcomm used in phones like IQOO 9 is a game-changer in this field.
 
This article is about TouchID (thus I was talking about under the screen finger print sensor) not FaceID

(it is a Samsung)
Same thing though isn’t it? The cheap phone fingerprint scanners can be fooled by an image of a fingerprint whereas Apple’s does a similar thing to FaceID where depth is involved.
 
except what is he done wrong?
Steve thought Tim was the guy who could keep Apple profitable and successful and pumping out products… And that’s exactly what he’s been doing, very successfully.
That was Tims job, Tim job was to make sure that Apple wasn’t back in 1997 a decade after Steve died.
And here we are, trillions of dollars later.
Exactly. He was good at managing the business. But he is no Steve Jobs. That’s not a criticism, nobody is.

My only point is that he’s TOO focused on the business and not on the user experience the way Steve was.

Surely money is not the only measure of success.
 
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I have always like the TouchID implementation more than FaceID. For me its more useful to not have to always point it at my face. But there are times FID is useful, so having BOTH would be Best of Both Worlds.
LLAP
 
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Exactly. He was good at managing the business. But he is no Steve Jobs. That’s not a criticism, nobody is.

My only point is that he’s TOO focused on the business and not on the user experience the way Steve was.

Surely money is not the only measure of success.
Money isn’t the only measure, but Apple customers are also usually the most satisfied and happy with their purchases. So they make all the money with products people love. I don’t know what other measures of success we could talk about.
 
Money isn’t the only measure, but Apple customers are also usually the most satisfied and happy with their purchases. So they make all the money with products people love. I don’t know what other measures of success we could talk about.

Well AT&T for example has lots of money, and they absolutely despise every single one of their customers.

How about things like not ruining the Apple TV+ app for the sake of pushing engagement? Tim Cook’s major achievement so far seems to be the ability to squeeze more revenue per user.

All I’m saying is, sure he’s a good businessperson and has kept Apple profitable. But I don’t know who’s there anymore who can actually innovate and do the kinds of things that made Apple successful in the first place, rather than managing an existing business. They certainly haven’t shown it, especially on the software side, in the last several years.
 
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Well AT&T for example has lots of money, and they absolutely despise every single one of their customers.

How about things like not ruining the Apple TV+ app for the sake of pushing engagement? Tim Cook’s major achievement so far seems to be the ability to squeeze more revenue per user.

All I’m saying is, sure he’s a good businessperson and has kept Apple profitable. But I don’t know who’s there anymore who can actually innovate and do the kinds of things that made Apple successful in the first place, rather than managing an existing business. They certainly haven’t shown it, especially on the software side, in the last several years.
But do customers love AT&T and the products and services they offer? That should be the measure of success, in conjunction with how much money they make.
 
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stupid question but why is it taking Apple so long to implement this? I have it on my 300 EUR device from work and it is working great. It actually feels strangely satisfying to see the unlock animation on the screen :D
Because apple does t just throw hardware as a solution. They hardware has to provide more than just being there.
 
I'll return to iPhone when they bring touchID back. It was lame that they dropped it. Using a mask was a fiasco for the longest time. I wasn't going to upgrade until they bring touchID back. FaceID has a lot of cumbersome moments when using it at POS.
 
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Well AT&T for example has lots of money, and they absolutely despise every single one of their customers.

How about things like not ruining the Apple TV+ app for the sake of pushing engagement? Tim Cook’s major achievement so far seems to be the ability to squeeze more revenue per user.

All I’m saying is, sure he’s a good businessperson and has kept Apple profitable. But I don’t know who’s there anymore who can actually innovate and do the kinds of things that made Apple successful in the first place, rather than managing an existing business. They certainly haven’t shown it, especially on the software side, in the last several years.
AT&T is a utility. Their main measures are quality and reliability of their service. Customer service response is also a critical factor.

Apple is a hardware/services company. But phones are getting so generic that services are starting to become more important.
 
You say that on every single post. Nobody used 3D Touch. Get over it
I don't think I have said that in every single post. However, The more I say it the better chances Apple has to bring the 3D Touch back. 3D Touch was amazing! It made the iPhone feel exclusive, premium, and one of a kind. Changed the way we navigate through the iPhone. Ahead of its time!


Even Craig loves it.


 
I'll return to iPhone when they bring touchID back. It was lame that they dropped it. Using a mask was a fiasco for the longest time. I wasn't going to upgrade until they bring touchID back. FaceID has a lot of cumbersome moments when using it at POS.
I had trouble with TouchID because my fingertips got cracked at work. The only time I have trouble with FaceID is when I wake up. My hair goes one direction and my beard in another. And don't ask about my eyebrows. :)
 
I don't think I have said that in every single post. However, The more I say it the better chances Apple has to bring the 3D Touch back. 3D Touch was amazing! It made the iPhone feel exclusive, premium, and one of a kind. Changed the way we navigate through the iPhone. Ahead of its time!


Even Craig loves it.


While I want 3D Touch back…it’s gone forever. Haptic Touch is as a good of substitute for 3D Touch as a vege burger is to a steak.
 
But do customers love AT&T and the products and services they offer? That should be the measure of success, in conjunction with how much money they make.

I agree and this is exactly my point. Apple is successful now because people love their products. But they are starting to go the wrong direction. Chasing services and ads at the expense of the user experience. I use Apple products because they are not as annoying as Windows and Android. I’m just afraid Tim doesn’t remember that core reason, and would rather chase quarterly profits. I’m not saying that the two are exclusive, but Tim seems a lot better at the one than the other.
 
AT&T is a utility. Their main measures are quality and reliability of their service. Customer service response is also a critical factor.

Apple is a hardware/services company. But phones are getting so generic that services are starting to become more important.
They SHOULD be a utility, but they do everything they can to not be. They prey on people who don’t understand that there are better options for buying cell phones and internet connectivity. As someone who has to deal with ISPs a lot I can tell you AT&T is by far the worst. And just measuring by quality, reliability, and customer service they are also the worst. Not to mention their lobbying to actively hold back the state of internet service in America.

The ISP cartels want the bar to be set exceptionally low so they can gouge people for data and offer the cheapest possible hardware and service for the highest possible price, and AT&T is one of the ringleaders.
 
Well AT&T for example has lots of money, and they absolutely despise every single one of their customers.

How about things like not ruining the Apple TV+ app for the sake of pushing engagement? Tim Cook’s major achievement so far seems to be the ability to squeeze more revenue per user.
That’s a heck of an accomplishment. Sounds like apple is producing products and services people want to buy.
All I’m saying is, sure he’s a good businessperson and has kept Apple profitable.
He sure has.
But I don’t know who’s there anymore who can actually innovate and do the kinds of things that made Apple successful in the first place,
Tim Cook.
rather than managing an existing business. They certainly haven’t shown it, especially on the software side, in the last several years.
Tim has innovated the product line, built out services and products and more people than ever are buying iPhones. Win-win.
 
That’s a heck of an accomplishment. Sounds like apple is producing products and services people want to buy.

He sure has.

Tim Cook.

Tim has innovated the product line, built out services and products and more people than ever are buying iPhones. Win-win.

I hope you’re right. You’re still not disagreeing with my point. He’s doing fine now with existing product lines and tweaks to existing product lines. But we see people here every day pointing out that the software is falling behind, and that the Galaxy S23 Ultra looks quite compelling specifically because of the things Apple has removed from the iPhone or failed to add.

My concern is not for how much money he’s able to squeeze out of iPhone users now, but for the trajectory of the next few years.
 
They will do under-display Face ID before touch. Apple using facial recognition to unlock devices is a differentiating factor from competitors.

I would not anticipate face+touch due to cost and space constraints. 99% of customers would not perceive the benefits of having two deadbolts on their phone instead of one.
Yup. And Apple has already said FaceID is more secure. No way they can go back to TouchID without catching crap. That's why I said it won't happen.
 
What are the circumstances where you need to enter your passcode a couple of times a day? The only times I see that are on restart or after a couple of weeks without restart or on the rare case when FaceID failed because it can’t see my face (usually when I’m wearing both a mask and hat).
I can at least name 2 things.
Maybe it’s more than 2 things, but at least 2 things that I have noticed.
This happens every day.
I have “tap to wake phone” enabled.

1 When I’m coming home from work, I wash my phone under water in the sink.
The reason for me doing this is because of my work. It’s for the bacteria🙂
When I’m finished I always have to enter pin code. Always.

2 When I’m sitting on my couch or at my desk I tap on the screen to see if I a get new notifications and also time.
I have my phone on the side and after doing this during the evening, like 5-6 times and then I take up my phone to unlock it, I have to enter pin code. Always.

So in my experience Apples Face id is not so good.
Maybe it’s because of my “old” 12 PM😁
 
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