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Apple, WTF ?! (venting thread)
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Apple released an iPod and a smartphone, both of which had existed for years in the marketplace. Suddenly, Apple was considered innovative.
Now, I suspect nothing Apple could do will ever compare. Even if it is innovative.
Now, I suspect nothing Apple could do will ever compare. Even if it is innovative.
And yet here we are 5 years later without him. Apple's had incredible growth (without him) and now one slightly down year with a return to growth next quarter. Apple is much more than Jobs and will continue to innovate. Anyone who says there is no innovation in the 7 just doesn't understand technology. The jump in technology in the 7 is amazing. I'm sure you want a magic phone that projects a hologram in front of you but just wait till next year....
I voted "no" only because over the last couple of years I've not only experienced what the OP has but numerous other Apple services reliability-related issues. I don't typically post about them here but rather contact Apple directly and work with their senior advisors and at times engineers too.
The thing I've noticed is that when I first got into the mac/ios ecosystem I hardly ever used to have to call in for support, things for the most part did just work. But boy have things changed in the last few years, at least for us. I'm now on a first name basis with a couple of senior advisors ffs.
The thing I've noticed is that when I first got into the mac/ios ecosystem I hardly ever used to have to call in for support, things for the most part did just work. But boy have things changed in the last few years, at least for us. I'm now on a first name basis with a couple of senior advisors ffs.
I'm sure some things have suffered with out Steve, like any company where the brand is associated with the person. But he was just a captain of the ship, and on a ship the crew is just as important. So as long as the right people are in the company it will continue to work well.
I agree with the OP as far as quality control goes. Steve wouldn't have let the users be "beta" testers for software that had as many bugs as the most recent software versions do on all platforms. Also, Apple's security has fallen since Steve died. This is proven since Apple was last to join PRISM in 2012 after his death.
https://techcrunch.com/2013/06/17/apple-nsa/
https://techcrunch.com/2013/06/17/apple-nsa/
Sounds like you guys don't remember or weren't around back when iOS 2 and iOS 3 came out multiple iOS upgrades would temporarily brick the device and you'd need a full new restore or had to wait for the next update and many many worst software issues.
Want to talk about beta testers there were plenty of full public official releases that caused way more issues than the few bugs you see today. Releases that killed wifi capabilities and other issues when Steve was running the show. Releases that were yanked out within days because they were so bad.
Acting like everything was perfect back then and bad now?
Not even close. You either were not using iPhones back in 2009-2011 or your memory is not that great.
Want to talk about beta testers there were plenty of full public official releases that caused way more issues than the few bugs you see today. Releases that killed wifi capabilities and other issues when Steve was running the show. Releases that were yanked out within days because they were so bad.
Acting like everything was perfect back then and bad now?
Not even close. You either were not using iPhones back in 2009-2011 or your memory is not that great.
I had a 4 gig iPhone 2G and every phone since then except for the 5. I never had the issues I have now, and I never worried if an update would be worse than the current iOS I was on.
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How is it not his fault? if he is trying to rule Apple in a way that it offers products that are pursuing perfection (as it was under Steve), then it is precisely his fault. I would agree that it is not his fault, if all he cares about is generating revenue and if he could not care less about pursuing perfection. In that case - sure, it is not his fault, because one can not fail in something that was never supposed to be done or taken care of in the first place.
It is more like we know what he would not have had done. One of the things that comes to my mind is ditching the MagSafe. I do not think he would have done this, because it is just plain stupid.
Sorry, but I do. I saw the same speeds on my iPhone 5s as they were on my desktop PC and Macs. The reason why my iPhone 7 is not showing these speeds is not due to the miniature technology - it is just another FckUp of the company which only cares about it's revenue.
They gave it back in Sierra, but there is no RAID support in El Capitan.
I have 4TB litle big disk that uses RAID (2TB+2TB) and I am planning to replace HDDs with SSDs, while still keeping 4TB volume and RAID. Not sure how SSD is supposed to eliminate RAID. I am not using RAID to increase speed, rather to combine volumes.
I have used iPhones since the first one came out (not day one, but month one for sure). I do not remember having so many issues with old versions of iOS as I have now with late versions of iOS and iPhones. I wonder if you were jail breaking the iPhone back then (Installer, Cydia - all that stuff). If you were, perhaps this is why it bricked.
I have to say I was not expecting to see as many as 25% of votes to agree with me. I am glad I am not alone.
"Apple. It just worked."
How is it not his fault? if he is trying to rule Apple in a way that it offers products that are pursuing perfection (as it was under Steve), then it is precisely his fault. I would agree that it is not his fault, if all he cares about is generating revenue and if he could not care less about pursuing perfection. In that case - sure, it is not his fault, because one can not fail in something that was never supposed to be done or taken care of in the first place.
It is more like we know what he would not have had done. One of the things that comes to my mind is ditching the MagSafe. I do not think he would have done this, because it is just plain stupid.
Sorry, but I do. I saw the same speeds on my iPhone 5s as they were on my desktop PC and Macs. The reason why my iPhone 7 is not showing these speeds is not due to the miniature technology - it is just another FckUp of the company which only cares about it's revenue.
Well, my touch becomes unresponsive occasionally and restart helps... so I am not convinced it is a hardware problem (otherwise I would expect it not to work at all even after restart). Of course I do not sit on my phone
They gave it back in Sierra, but there is no RAID support in El Capitan.
I have 4TB litle big disk that uses RAID (2TB+2TB) and I am planning to replace HDDs with SSDs, while still keeping 4TB volume and RAID. Not sure how SSD is supposed to eliminate RAID. I am not using RAID to increase speed, rather to combine volumes.
I have used iPhones since the first one came out (not day one, but month one for sure). I do not remember having so many issues with old versions of iOS as I have now with late versions of iOS and iPhones. I wonder if you were jail breaking the iPhone back then (Installer, Cydia - all that stuff). If you were, perhaps this is why it bricked.
I have to say I was not expecting to see as many as 25% of votes to agree with me. I am glad I am not alone.
"Apple. It just worked."
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The issues in fact were there before in many previous years iOS releases and worst than the petty things that people are crying about nowadays.
Actual firmware releases that disabled wifi and the ios version got pulled from Apple. You dont remember any of that or like to act like its the end of the world now with minor non issues with ios 10 now?
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Then you were either not using iphones from the beginning or your memory is not that great.
Because I remember them with my iphone 2G and 3G and multiple ios updates that wouldn't install at all and many other issues.
There's been countless of buggy ios releases before apple even had beta testers or public betas like they have today.
Wrong.
My memory is fine and you are not paying attention. Read the post you wrote this reply to. I clearly stated there when I started using iPhones.
Yes, I know you had issues with early versions of iOS, you mentioned it in your previous post, though you did not answer my question if you were jail-breaking your phones or not.
Well, there are now people not really experiencing a lot of issues either, while it seems that various others are. Kind of similar to you seemingly not really having many issues in the earlier days, while there still being all kinds of others that experienced them.
I understand that, though my question to those who have experienced issues in the early days is - were they jail-breaking the phone? Once it is jail-broken - all bets are off. Who knows what kind of software was installed on these phones and how can we be sure that it was not a root case of the issues?
He's been replaced. No one is irreplaceable. However it's a fair statement we're all unique.
I suspect this new Campus 2 secretely is a huge particle accelerator able to create a massive rupture in the time space continuum or even worm hole. Apple will change time and the future forever when this thing is opened.
Seriously, for me they operate too slow these days. Apple has the engineering capacity to blow away the competition, but it looks like they are way too cautious these days. Margins, small risk steps are more important.
Seriously, for me they operate too slow these days. Apple has the engineering capacity to blow away the competition, but it looks like they are way too cautious these days. Margins, small risk steps are more important.
I started with the 2G and got every single update straight away because i needed to know if i programmed something wrong, and simply using your own programs daily can help you find some bugs for yourself before testers write or logs.
You are probably right that the early IOS versions had somewhat more serious bugs, but to say that it was comparatively buggier than present IOS is just a very misrepresenting picture because:
- Earlier versions of any new software is expected to have more bugs, and as the software platform matures their expected to get fixed.
- Early IOS sales were miniscule, and small product lines are expected to receive less service. Present IOS is the value base of the world's most valuable company, and one would expect it to be maintained as such. But it is not, the development is slow, many of the services deeply flawed and so many bugs just does not get fixed.
- Imo apple changed it's bug philosophy from generating error messages/crashes and logs to just silent fails where stuff doesn't work but IOS and apps are expected to carry on as if it does. Not much of a problem in the short run, but as you get accustomed to it you kinda expect things to just not work, for no discernable reason - leading to a feeling of apple, it used to just work.
- If you compared Iphones to android in the early days IOS came off as ...flawless, but now the comparison is so much less flattering, EVEN though IOS is a MASSIVE earner apple seems unwilling, or unable to use that muscle to pull ahead, and personally i've started to wonder if they even have aspirations to just keep up.
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Yep a really self embarrassing post here. Someone needs to do their homework before posting.
You act like its lots of bugs or issues.
Its not, the only problem I had with ios 10 was randomly losing carrier data. Something a restart fixed.
That's nothing and was corrected in a timely manner.
I have lots of experience with iOS and saw everything there is and was.
I know some like to act like its the end of the world but the few iOS 10 bugs are nothing compared to issues of the past.
The ENTIRE point of my post was that comparing the bugs now compared to the bugs 10 years ago 1 for 1 is bad representation of how well apple is actually managing the product, and now you compare them again the same nonsensical way. Anyways for me personally I had wifi, battery, airplay and ICloud problems with IOS10 specifically + the usual services stuff (not ios10 specifically)
So in short you agree that the minor bugs of iOS 10 is nothing compared to multiple worst situations in the past.