AppleDefects - Pretty scary

[ZiggyPastorius]

Holy cripes. I try not to reply to post too many messages like this, because people like to jump down your throat and call you an apple fanboy, or a windows fanboy, or whatever. Okay, though, I read a forum like this, and it's full of ********. On both ends, definitely. But, Heatmiser; you in particular have this serious issue with making just dumbass claims. Someone said something about how most power bricks aren't meant to be plugged in all day and a laptop is a portable thing. Now, I know this isn't 100% true, as many people, myself included, work a lot at home with the charger. However, just because he says this, doesn't mean the Apple Computer Consumer world is denying the existence of exploding Adapters and preventing change from taking place. And your ridiculous comments about all our money going to their ads and none of it going to the computers is just that; ridiculous. This is the same ******** that people use when they try to attack walmart, or any other company, but you would never attack Dell for their advertising on TV. Hell, I see more Dell ads than Mac ads, but that's probably just where I live. But, to people like you, a different type of ad that you consider "just a stupid attack on PCs," is this horrible evil that plagues our world, and all other forms of advertising are okay. I know you're going to reply to me with the same responses you would respond to anyone else, and I know. I'm denying the existence of apple problems. I'm just an apple fanboy who is lying to people in this forum. I'm aware that there are genuine fanboys here who would deny these problems. But the person who posted about using laptops a certain way was not insisting we don't worry about it, they were simply stating a belief. So cool it, dude. Not everybody is an evil bastard.

 

[SXR]

Ziggy,

Also, I hope you understand that I posted this topic to get some opinions and have a chat about these problems here. I found the article interesting. I didn't try to point out all Apple's problems.

I cannot see how an "Apple fanboy" can stand behind the products if they had alot of problems. So if you "defend" Apple , in my eyes, you're not a fanboy, but you're having fun with your Apple stuff.

 

[phillipjfry]

...I hear 'you can call Apple/go to the Apple store/etc', but in the end, no one buys a computer expecting to have to return it a bunch of times to get a functional model...

No one buys anything expecting to return it once, let alone a bunch of times.

I don't know if anyone else has said anything comparable to what I did, but figured I would put my .02$ in.

 

[Jack Flash]

Why are you handling your power brick when it is under load, anyway?

 

[lost eden]

* The MacBook fans often don't turn on at all, or only when heat has reached extremes (95 celcius).

Thats impossible. That would be boiling hot, and there will come smoke off the machine..

They also say the power brick is so hot that it can burn or mark flesh. MacBook owners - let me know.

95c is actually within the operating range of a modern microprocessor (though hardly a desirable temperature for prolonged operation & would normally indicate a problem with the HSF installation/functioning). Older processors, which incidentally ran a lot cooler, would have maximum temperatures of maybe as low as 60-70c (K6 era), a bit later on & socket-A Athlons had limits of 80-90c, & current chips like C2Ds have rated maximum temperatures of around 100c. So no, it's far from impossible, as a matter of fact just the other day I was reading a review of a passively-cooled GeForce 8800 that ran at 113c under load without a problem. My MacBook doesn't have any problems with it's fan (after I installed smcfancontrol) but it still reaches 86-87c when under heavy load (such as encoding multiple FLAC streams).

But to relate more generally to the question posed, yes the MacBook does suffer from many flaws, most of which are a result of the 'form over function' design regime that Apple maintains. My MacBook shipped with a damaged LCD panel so was broken from day 1 & had to be returned in person to the nearest store - a 250 mile round trip.

For the same price as even the lowest-spec MacBook, you could buy a much better designed, much better built & all over better quality laptop from another company.

 

[ZiggyPastorius]

Ziggy,

Also, I hope you understand that I posted this topic to get some opinions and have a chat about these problems here. I found the article interesting. I didn't try to point out all Apple's problems.

I cannot see how an "Apple fanboy" can stand behind the products if they had alot of problems. So if you "defend" Apple , in my eyes, you're not a fanboy, but you're having fun with your Apple stuff.

I apologise if you thought my post was direct towards you. It was directed towards the three or so people, including heatmiser, who, while certainly not doing anything different than what an apple fanboy would do in these forums, like to mix all these incorrect facts in with their posts, or distort what other people say and make it sound like everyone except for them thinks these power adapters have no problems. These problems are definitely problems. My post was out of frustration with the people like Heatmiser who would sooner say I'm denying a problem that I never denied, than realise saying something like "aren't you glad all your money goes to stupid ad campaigns instead of computers" is a dumbass statement to make.

 

[tmoney468]

95c is actually within the operating range of a modern microprocessor (though hardly a desirable temperature for prolonged operation & would normally indicate a problem with the HSF installation/functioning). Older processors, which incidentally ran a lot cooler, would have maximum temperatures of maybe as low as 60-70c (K6 era), a bit later on & socket-A Athlons had limits of 80-90c, & current chips like C2Ds have rated maximum temperatures of around 100c. So no, it's far from impossible, as a matter of fact just the other day I was reading a review of a passively-cooled GeForce 8800 that ran at 113c under load without a problem. My MacBook doesn't have any problems with it's fan (after I installed smcfancontrol) but it still reaches 86-87c when under heavy load (such as encoding multiple FLAC streams).

95C is actually really hot for a CPU, and I think at such temperatures the CPU will either clock down to cool down or will automatically shut off to prevent damage.

I have to say one thing though, you can't compare the heat-tolerance of a CPU to that of a GPU (graphics card). GPUs have a much higher thermal limits and thus can take higher temperatures better...the same can't be said for CPUs.