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dk001

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This in itself is false. I can build an App on my machine and install it on my iOS hardware, admittedly with Apple's blessing (certificate). Also, companies can build their in-house apps and distribute them to employees' devices. The limitation comes into place for developers distributing to an unknown wide audience. You can argue this is bad, but I fail to see how several stores (or direct download) would actually benefit the end user.

Apps Apple doesn’t like, allow, just because, etc…. would be available for the user.
Many devs have been victim of Apple’s capricious decisions.
 

cupcakes2000

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This in itself is false. I can build an App on my machine and install it on my iOS hardware, admittedly with Apple's blessing (certificate). Also, companies can build their in-house apps and distribute them to employees' devices. The limitation comes into place for developers distributing to an unknown wide audience. You can argue this is bad, but I fail to see how several stores (or direct download) would actually benefit the end user.
First off, the things you’re describing are not the same as being able to source apps from outside the AppStore, as a general user in the same manner that everyone else can on every other device.

Secondly, Apple dictate from a moral high ground, the type of app one can download. This is just simply none of their business. Illegal apps aside, what right do they have? I can’t even download my vape’s app on iOS because Apple deemed vaping as bad for you so they all got removed. Come on now.

I know a lot of people will say “well it’s Apples right it’s apples store arghhhhg grrrrrr”.

Great. So give me the option of downloading from another source then.
 

cupcakes2000

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All Apps being signed is an important security feature, giving Apple a chance to disable detected malware, by revoking the certificate. I cannot imagine Apple disabling this really cool feature.
So long as the simply check for malware then there’s no issue. If they decide the app isn’t ’suitable For its users’ or something, then no it’s an over step.

Look - the big take away is Apple shouldn’t be bothered what I do on my iPhone. What I browse, what type of app I want to use. It was even their idea : “privacy - what goes on iPhone stays on iPhone” or whatever it was. They missed the small print - “as long as we agree.”
 

BaldiMac

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We shouldn’t forget that Amphetamine almost got nuked from the Mac App Store recently over claims that its mere name promotes the use of drugs 🤨
We shouldn't we forget a mistake that was corrected after a few days?
 

BaldiMac

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Because the mere longstanding and highly lauded app almost got torpedoed because someone decided they didn’t like its name.
And the problem was resolved after a few days before any actions were taken against the app. It's not something that happens regularly. Expecting people to be perfect isn't rational.
 
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cupcakes2000

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We shouldn't we forget a mistake that was corrected after a few days?
Aren’t on you overlooking the actual point of it though? Why on earth should Apple be able to make this kind of decision? I mean, it’s mental, even if it’s their own store. Short of actually selling amphetamines, myob Apple.
 
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BaldiMac

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Aren’t on you overlooking the actual point of it though? Why on earth should Apple be able to make this kind of decision? I mean, it’s mental, even if it’s their own store. Short of actually selling amphetamines, myob Apple.
Why shouldn't Apple be able to decide not to sell apps that promote illegal drug use? Seems reasonable to me. To be clear, they were obviously wrong in this case.
 

mode11

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Why shouldn't Apple be able to decide not to sell apps that promote illegal drug use? Seems reasonable to me. To be clear, they were obviously wrong in this case.

I guess this is a disadvantage to having a single App Store. Apple naturally have to think of their brand image, and don't want to be associated with sleazy, illegal or perhaps even politically incorrect activity. That's fine as far as it goes. But if their store is the only place to get apps from, it's obviously restrictive of the platform. Alternative stores with no brand association with Apple could do what they like (as long as it's not actually illegal ofc).

There may also be corporate conflicts of interests. Apple wouldn't e.g. want a Nintendo Switch emulator on their store, for fear of getting sued / falling out with Nintendo. But if it just existed for iOS, without Apple's implicit endorsement, that would only be a bonus for the platform.
 

BaldiMac

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I guess this is a disadvantage to having a single App Store. Apple naturally have to think of their brand image, and don't want to be associated with sleazy, illegal or perhaps even politically incorrect activity. That's fine as far as it goes. But if their store is the only place to get apps from, it's obviously restrictive of the platform. Alternative stores with no brand association with Apple could do what they like (as long as it's not actually illegal ofc).
There's certainly a risk of overzealous censoring with single store approach. So far it seems that Apple's restrictions are reasonably defensible (no porn, no promoting illegal stuff). But we should certainly be wary of where they draw the line.
 
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BaldiMac

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Because Apple built a digital city country that 1.5 billion people moved into and decreed that only one store may exist on its land. That's what's the problem. They are free to do whatever stupid thing they want with their store.
You got that backwards. Apple decreed only one app store may exist, and then 1.5 billion people moved in because they liked the setup. :)
 
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cupcakes2000

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Why shouldn't Apple be able to decide not to sell apps that promote illegal drug use? Seems reasonable to me. To be clear, they were obviously wrong in this case.
Apple is the sole gateway into installing an app. No, aside illegal content, they shouldn’t have that right. This is why allowing installing via alternative methods is so very important.
 
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BaldiMac

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"I agree with only having one choice, I feel safe and secure when I fully and willfully submit to their authoritative control!"

This does remind me of another country with 1.5 billion people.
Nonsense. I don’t submit to their control. I pay for their expertise. Just like I would a doctor or lawyer. And if I don’t like their advice anymore, I’ll move to another platform.
 

mode11

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There can be no doubt whatsoever that Apple has left absolutely no stone unturned in making it's compliance with the DMA is as malicious as possible. Much of what they're attempting isn't even compliant, they're just hoping it slips through anyway.

People's attitudes to Apple's behaviour ultimately hinge on whether they approve of the DMA or not. Those who don't, clearly feel that Apple is 100% entitled to use every trick in the book to evade the rules, and will applaud them for doing so.

Apple's only concern in all this is to block anything that weakens their control of their platform, and hence their ability to stack the deck in their favour. Yes, they will bleat on about privacy and security as they know these are emotive words, but ultimately it's about eliminating the competition before it has a chance to compete. I'm not sure why any consumer would think this is in their interests.
 

mode11

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For better or worse, Apple has shown their hand as the sort of company they are. They are absolutely shameless in stifling any potential threat to their revenue streams, which in turn stifles opportunity for innovation in iOS (Apple Silicon aside). If nothing else, the DMA has put a spotlight on the wide variety of ways a platform holder can undermine its commercial competitors e.g. privileged APIs, punitive contractual terms and so on.

Whether Apple successfully stymies the DMA or not, their actions have heaped fuel on the fire of Apple's dissenters. Whereas grumbles about Apple can often just be dismissed as whinging about their prices, Apple's actions over the DMA provide more substantive reason to consider leaving their ecosystem. Buying their products ultimately endorses their behaviour, and it's certainly giving me pause.
 
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