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Apple's top Mac Pro computer costs more than the average car! $45,000 for a computer!

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zen6 said:
I honestly dont think this mac pro three fans anti heat idea would work very well if someone push thr machine to 100% load all day long. There isnt any fan or anything to actively pull out the heat.
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It only starts at $3395, enough to buy 3 Apple monitor stands
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And those starting specs are the same as the Mac Pro? Also you have plenty of evidence about the cooling not being sufficient?

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keysofanxiety said:
And those starting specs are the same as the Mac Pro? Also you have plenty of evidence about the cooling not being sufficient?

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I dont know any computer case only has fan airflow in but not airflow out. For a powerhouse like this guess what will happen.
 
I think the more people work for apple and expanding property portfolio - the price will increase as much they can.

From regular to professional users will have no choice unfortunately but starting to feel pains about the pricing structure.

Once they release Apple Car - I bet it gonna be really expensive and after service too.
 
The HP isn't comparable because you have to run Windows. The benefit of the Mac is MacOS. That is where the premium is and it's worth it. The differentiator is the software. Post all the cheap PCs you want, but until they can run MacOS we won't be interested. Not even at a tenth of the price.

Also consider that some of us are still using 10+ year old Mac Pros and upgraded them over time. You don't have to max it out out the point of purchase. The option to upgrade years into the life of the machine is something that a lot of us plan for down the road.
 
zen6 said:
I dont know any computer case only has fan airflow in but not airflow out. For a powerhouse like this guess what will happen.
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Dont you find it a tiiiiny bit naive and arrogant to pretty much claim that apple has messed up massively on such an important aspect of this workstation? I mean out of all the people involved in the production of this machine, you think you were the only one with a brain or the proper knowledge regarding the cooling aspect of it? All that just by looking at a few pictures and a few spec sheets??

Really?
 
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Of course the Z4 is cheaper it's a different class of machine and the Z4 can't scale to what the MP can. Even the Z6 is a different beast, it can go dual CPU, but it's RAM ceiling is lower.

You could take PC A with the same spec as the base Mac Pro, but if that's the MAX spec (or near it) of the PC it's not a direct comparison as what do you do when/if you need to go beyond that? Suddenly that comparison machine is not an option at all. There's always overlap as you move up and down market segments, but you have to look at where they start and extend to, not just where they overlap.

Like for Like comparisons are hard, even if you try and compare with the same actual components fitted, because a lot of the difference is in the potential to scale.
 
Valkyre said:
Dont you find it a tiiiiny bit naive and arrogant to pretty much claim that apple has messed up massively on such an important aspect of this workstation? I mean out of all the people involved in the production of this machine, you think you were the only one with a brain or the proper knowledge regarding the cooling aspect of it? All that just by looking at a few pictures and a few spec sheets??

Really?
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Sound like you dont know how bad is the trash can air flow.
 
Valkyre said:
And you sound like the average "know-it-all" claim guy.
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I don't know everything but I know Apple uses lower performance to exchange quiet and heat in imac pro
That is how Apple deals with heat, is that what people want for mac pro by spending that much money for performance?
 
Acidsplat said:
The new Mac Pro is not meant for you or the average consumer. Apple diluted the "Pro" name for such a long time, people are shocked that it now means truly "Professional".

The average consumer or gamer wouldn't saturate a fraction of what a maxed out model is designed for.
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If this is a high end workstation to compete with other Windows or Linux workstations in the same price range (which is very small niche with very low production numbers) where is the MacOS software that you need for this kind of specialized computers?

Apple did not sell competitive high end workstations in the last years and the market is too small that software developers develop these applications for a „newcomer“ in this market with such low production volumes. The last time something like this with „Apple roots“ was brought to market was the NeXT cube nearly 30 years ago...
 
A good portion of that price must be ram. Ram is expensive at those densities (128 GB sticks aren’t precisely cheap even before applying the apple tax).
 
zen6 said:
I don't know everything but I know Apple uses lower performance to exchange quiet and heat in imac pro
That is how Apple deals with heat, is that what people want for mac pro by spending that much money for performance?
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Man Apple should hire you to open their eyes and put them in the right path... Clearly your knowledge compared to that of Apple's entire engineering department is on another level...such wasted potential right there...

What do Apple's engineers know anyway? Its not like they build computers for a living for decades now, no, clearly they need zen6's amazing talent to build a decent machine that doesnt overheat...
 
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zen6 said:
This is what CBS said.

Can anyone explain how can this make any sense? Anyone is planning to buy this maximum power imac pro?
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People who really need this type of machine are not visiting this forum. They may know people, or pay people that are, but chances are low you find a business owner producing 4k or 8k content over here. So this thread will up with dogs barking at a tree.
I have tons of reasons lately to criticise apple! This move isn't one of the reasons. They finally deliver something for the real pro content people, and market will decide if it's worth it.

I am now on my 7th repair (2nd complete exchange, 3rd logic board) of my MacBook Pro 2017!
This is a real problem that annoys the hell out of me! A media content creation machine that was not targeting me? Don't care.
my two cent's ;-)
 
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Manzanito said:
A good portion of that price must be ram. Ram is expensive at those densities (128 GB sticks aren’t precisely cheap even before applying the apple tax).
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The apple tax is 100% now for cheapest model of mac pro, I guess the high end version would be very higher % like 200%.
 
zen6 said:
Mac Pro is not a supercomputer
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People paid the SGI tax as long as there was no way around them. And these guys for a number of years had the only useful combination of hardware-accelerated 3D, a useable operating system + enterprise level of support and software you could not get on any other platform.
Note how quickly users ran away as soon as all that changed, starting in the second half of the 90's.


Btw why is everyone comparing the 7,1 to a Z8? I thought that is a dual socket machine?
 
th0masp said:
Btw why is everyone comparing the 7,1 to a Z8? I thought that is a dual socket machine?
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There's no direct comparison machine from HP.

Their single socket models are limited in other aspects where the MP exceeds their specs. And their machines that can come closer(or exceed) in those areas are all dual CPU capable.

The nearest current comparison is a Z8 with only a single CPU fitted...

That's the only thing that surprised me about the new Mac Pro, I was expecting a dual socket option, either as a single/dual daughter card option like in the 4,1/5,1 cMP, or as a default 2 socket machine with the option to populate one or both sockets.
 
zen6 said:
I don't know everything but I know Apple uses lower performance to exchange quiet and heat in imac pro
That is how Apple deals with heat, is that what people want for mac pro by spending that much money for performance?
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That's an all in one. Name an equivalent AIO with the same or better specs which doesn't have some element of throttling to maintain stability and cooling.
 
keysofanxiety said:
That's an all in one. Name an equivalent AIO with the same or better specs which doesn't have some element of throttling to maintain stability and cooling.
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The cooling design of mac pro is not something that you can customize.
 
zen6 said:
The apple tax is 100% now for cheapest model of mac pro, I guess the high end version would be very higher % like 200%.
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My point was, maybe it’s not as overpriced as it seems. We’ll have to wait to decide that.

Also, it’s not a fair comparison to pick off the shelf parts and add them to decide if the machine is overpriced. For starters, there’s this custom case you can’t buy anywhere. Of course it would be cheaper to buy the parts and diy, but that’s also the case if you compare dell or hp workstations.

When I bought my 5,1 I priced HP and Dell systems as well and they were roughly the same price. I expect that to be true also with the 7,1.
 
zen6 said:
I honestly dont think this mac pro three fans anti heat idea would work very well if someone push thr machine to 100% load all day long. There isnt any fan or anything to actively pull out the heat.
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It only starts at $3395, enough to buy 3 Apple monitor stands
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What, you think the air gets blown in & then goes, nowhere...?

Apple clearly states that the cooling system is able to move 300 cubic feet per minute THRU the Mac Pro chassis. The cooling is more than sufficient.

As for your "it only starts at 3,395" jab, the previous poster CLEARLY priced up a machine with matching specs to the Mac Pro, and it clearly showed that the HP workstation, with matching specs to the Mac Pro, was FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE EXPENSIVE...

Get a life & quit click bait posting to the forums...
 
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Boil said:
What, you think the air gets blown in & then goes, nowhere...?

Apple clearly states that the cooling system is able to move 300 cubic feet per minute THRU the Mac Pro chassis. The cooling is more than sufficient.

As for your "it only starts at 3,395" jab, the previous poster CLEARLY priced up a machine with matching specs to the Mac Pro, and it clearly showed that the HP workstation, with matching specs to the Mac Pro, was FOUR THOUSAND DOLLARS MORE EXPENSIVE...

Get a life & quit click bait posting to the forums...
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You show me how this mac pro actively pull hot air out.
 
zen6 said:
The cooling design of mac pro is not something that you can customize.
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What on Earth are you talking about? This thread's been all over the place. You seem to be moving the goalposts at every turn without addressing any points people have been making.

I think you started with a negative outlook on the Mac Pro and based on your wild conjecture, nothing's really going to change that.

It's not a product for you, but those who will buy it for what they need to do will get great use out of it. Why be so concerned about how other people spend their money?
 
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