Are iPhone Users Getting Jibbed??

[teknikal90]

Thank you for being honest. It's very true. My 4S had plenty of issues. And even just one issue debunks the whole "it just works" myth.

Even my iPad 3rd gen with iOS 6 sees bugs once in a while, including the occasional lag.

All OSes will have their issues.


For what it's worth, now is a great time to try Android. Stock Android, that is. And I predict the party's just getting started...

True. my iPad boots me off Safari every once in a while - usually on heavier sites. and my iPhone gets warm and gets on a battery munching spree every once in a while. Then it'll force reset me. BUT VERY rarely.
To be clear, overall, iOS is pretty stable, not 'premium' stable, but I was happy. Until, like I said above, I saw what the other camp is getting nowadays.

Just wanted to see if I was missing something - was there a hidden cost behind that $359?? - and there wasn't. Android truly is the cutting edge right now. They did what Microsoft did with Windows but looked to skip all the mistakes and all the way up to Windows 7 era.

 

[onthecouchagain]

True. my iPad boots me off Safari every once in a while - usually on heavier sites. and my iPhone gets warm and gets on a battery munching spree every once in a while. Then it'll force reset me. BUT VERY rarely.
To be clear, overall, iOS is pretty stable, not 'premium' stable, but I was happy. Until, like I said above, I saw what the other camp is getting nowadays.

Just wanted to see if I was missing something - was there a hidden cost behind that $359?? - and there wasn't. Android truly is the cutting edge right now. They did what Microsoft did with Windows but looked to skip all the mistakes and all the way up to Windows 7 era.

The $299 or $349 is fully unlocked, carrier free, and runs on GSM only (Tmobile or ATT or Simple Mobile, Straight Talk, Metro PCS, etc.). Will work internationally too. No tricks.

Google has really done good by setting these price points. The value is tremendous, indeed. It's a great balance of affordability, future-specs, and fast growing, fast improving software and app selection. As the Nexus branding and name gain recognition and prominence (much thanks to the Nexus 7 for getting that started), the ecosystem will only get better and better. Android is not without its own faults (again, the humility of most Android users is a stark contrast to the "it just works" mentality of most iOS users) but it's come a long way and many of the concerns of Android from yesteryear are long gone.

The few caveats? Storage size selection sucks (still don't get why Google didn't offer 32GB option) and you lose LTE. But for LTE, you gain nearly double the battery life of the iPhone, save a ton of money, have the freedom to choose your carrier, and get a quad-core S4 device. And HSPA+ is no slouch, either, especially on Tmo. It's actually the perfect balance of fast download speeds and great battery life.

 

[smellysox8]

The nexus4 doesn't have the build quality and premium feel of the iPhone. And android also doesn't have as much games as the iPhone.

How do you figure that? Have you held the Nexus 4 in hand?

 

[cynics]

People vote with their $$$

So far, for all of the "customization" "innovation" and "tech specs" Android phones (I say phones because it seems like there is a new model almost weekly and wouldn't want to cite Nexus 4 when there is really a slightly better Nexus 6 due out in 12 days...), the iPhone literally destroys any single model using Android.

If the iPhone didn't exist I would probably own an Android. Luckily it does exist, does everything I need (and more), does so with a polished and integrated ecosystem that works better (not flawlessly, but better) than any computer I have ever owned, and holds it's resale better than any Android phone I have seen (my brother has owned several, and taken a bath on all of them because of how quickly they fall out of style and become dated).

The iPhone dominates because of a package. Not because of one killer "app" or "spec". Android people hate the fact that iPhones aren't "innovative" or "customizable" yet the majority of Android power users use a custom ROM instead of the stock "innovation".

And yes, once you load an Android phone up with "customization" it slows to a crawl, force quits a LOT, and makes you want something else.

Never, in owning every iPhone since the 2G, have I longed for another phone on the market. There hasn't been a reason to. The iPhone is the best because it does everything well. Not because it's the fastest or the most something, but because it does everything at a very high level. There are no legitimate compromises (even LTE was cut in favor of battery life... which, while I love LTE, would be fine without if it killed my battery).

The numbers back me up. People who buy an iPhone KEEP buying iPhones. Android doesn't have that retention factor. Why is that???

Actually the numbers don't back it up anymore...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57542628-37/iphone-users-get-less-loyal/

 

[smellysox8]

After purchasing the Iphone 5 with LTE yes I would pay $300.00 just for LTE.

Then you have Galaxy S3 and HTC One X.

 

[ReanimationN]

Android's very enjoyable for the first few months. You'll get over it pretty quickly once you realise that touch responsiveness just isn't on the same level as iOS, that the apps aren't of as high a quality and that if anything goes wrong with your device, prepare to lose essentially everything, as unless you've unlocked and rooted your device, you can't make proper backups of your device.

Android seemingly continues to pile more and more new features onto the OS to distract from the fact that performance in the basics is still lacking. I'll gladly take the incredibly limited and stale iOS on a phone over Android, as iOS has mastered the basics and performs beautifully, whereas Android is still plagued by lag, even in Jelly Bean. I'm not a massive iOS fan, I would have gladly bought a WP8 device, but I couldn't handle another day with my 3GS (I really, really hate lag), so I upgraded at the first opportunity.

I was lured into getting a Nexus 7 by the cheap price- it's going on eBay tomorrow. Get something that works, don't get it just for the price.

 

[onthecouchagain]

Get something that works, don't get it just for the price.

Yup. The iPhone. It just works!

 

[itjw]

Having owned android phone since 2007, and hating some things i will disagree with you on 2 points ;

1) apple sales now are not so much incremental based on tech , they are upgrades and based on "my mates all have them so i want one" , that's pretty evident if you go into any phone store , i mean actual phone store not apple store.

2) Custom roms on android phones make them blaze in speed / industry standard performance tests against everything but the ip5 , and when the jellybean roms get blitzed i genuinely believe they will outperform the ip5

You are 100% right that apples walled garden can be better , makes for a smoother os to not need this trickery etc to be better , i mean i have owned an iphone 4s for 5 days and today i got siri to bring me up the new die hard trailer in about 1.5 seconds flat , which to me is cool ,but how many things like that will stave off the much bigger android market from outpacing them and just plain making them look tired etc ?

If i want flipboard on one half of my screen at the top , and facebook feed on the bottom half, then on about 24 "crappy android phones" i can do that in 5 seconds , but apple decided thats not a necessary feature

to me thats protectionism , not progression

Apple is more popular.

While I agree that there are people who buy phones as status symbols and that Apple is the pinnacle of that for phones, saying that is the reason why they literally destroy any single Android model is about as ridiculous as saying that Android fanboys only buy the phone because it's NOT an iPhone and they want to be anti-establishment (which I'm sure happens too, but isn't the main driver of sales...).

Some of it is fragmentation, sure, but it still doesn't explain why Android can't build a phone (even the mighty SGS3) that makes signifigant strides in convincing Apple folks to jump ship. Even if both segements are gaining market share, it's just because BlackBerry and dumb phones are LOSING it, not because people are leaving Apple for Android.

Androids AREN'T as cool as iPhones. Sure it's a factor, but again, it's just one of MANY (AND it's cooler (therefore more people have them, they get more support, more developers want to develop for them, there are more accessories, etc.).

The iPhone is the better overall package.

People vote with their wallets, and Apple charges more and STILL has people lining up to buy it. It's primarily repeat business because of overwhelming satifaction... not people jumping ship to be cool like their buddies.

You sound like a Samsung commercial

 

[The Face]

It costs roughly £103 to build an iPhone 5, less than half that cost goes on the materials it's made out of. Apple then sell it for £529 as a "premium built product"

So you're paying £426 for the privilege of Apple wanting more money from you.

 

[cynics]

Oh good an "it just works" debate. Here are screen shots of my iPhone just working.

Voice dictation icon grays out quite often

For some reason this single voice multiplied

All my text vanished, had to soft reset for them to come back

Half my photos disappeared

iCloud was down, lost those pictures permanently.

After a soft reset I lost a lot of setting, it was even trying to re teach me how to make folders, notice the background.

Email being screwy. I didn't get an email that day so I'm assuming that was it.

Unable to delete my voicemails.

Shows updates but doesn't show me anything.

I have NO clue what was going on here. Lol

Typical Siri being Siri.

Lol

Those are just pulled out of my camera roll I'm sure there are more. That is things I was able to take a pic of not aps crashing or things like that. For example there is a thread called post your panorama pics in iOS 6 forum. In tapatalk if I scroll through the pics it will crash tapatalk every single time.

I don't find android to be any less or more reliable then iOS.

 

[itjw]

Actually the numbers don't back it up anymore...

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57542628-37/iphone-users-get-less-loyal/

All that article says is that the number of users "DEFINITELY" buying another iPhone is declining. I might have even guessed that, given how fast the user base of iPhones has grown since the 3GS. When you get that many people involved, a greater number is sure to be less committed. It is what it is, and it's STILL better than Android.

What it doesn't say is that iPhone users are more likely to buy a different phone than Android users when the time comes. THAT was my point. Android users jump ship all the time (some for fragmentation sure, but overall satisfaction for Android users is significantly lower than that of iPhone users). I don't know anyone that has left iPhone for Android and hasn't come back. I'm sure it happens, but I see the opposite literally ALL the time (the guy with the office next to me most recently).

Android may get decent satisfaction numbers, but iPhone satisfaction is still significantly better. It gets even more apparent the longer someone owns an Android (out of the box they work well, just not down the line when they get bogged down). Again, not speaking from personal experience, just what I have heard from friends/relatives. I have had NO compelling reason to switch. None.

I'm completely satisfied with iPhone's. Always have been, as have a lot of people. Android can't say that (at least to the same extent).

You'd think with all the "innovation" "customization" and "specs" that it would be the other way around, but it's not.

 

[ReanimationN]

Yup. The iPhone. It just works!

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Trust me, I'm not an Apple "It just works!" guy, look through my post history at my rages over my MBP and the troubles I've had with it (and Apple's crappy customer service in Australia)- it's been one of the worst products I've ever bought. My iPhone 3GS, however, was solid up until the most recent updates for it.

As I've said in other topics, if you don't want an Apple product, there is another alternative! You don't have to get an Android. Windows Phone 8 devices and Windows 8 tablets are now out and are awesome. On that note, I finally tried a Windows 8 tablet out after work last night, it was an Asus RT model- the UI feels amazing on a tablet. Can't wait for some good x86 Windows 8 tablets, I'll be on one ASAP.

 

[3bs]

And for those that are skeptical about those numbers, here are recent stats of my Galaxy Nexus battery running on Tmo's HSPA:

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13+ hours and still 48% left. I could push it hard for another good few hours if I wanted to. Much more if I used the rest of the battery moderately.

Screen on time?

You practically have no wakelocks or alarms. Do you have email set to push? No social apps refreshing? Is this your main and only phone?

 

[onthecouchagain]

Trust me, I'm not an Apple "It just works!" guy, look through my post history at my rages over my MBP and the troubles I've had with it (and Apple's crappy customer service in Australia)- it's been one of the worst products I've ever bought. My iPhone 3GS, however, was solid up until the most recent updates for it.

As I've said in other topics, if you don't want an Apple product, there is another alternative! You don't have to get an Android. Windows Phone 8 devices and Windows 8 tablets are now out and are awesome. On that note, I finally tried a Windows 8 tablet out after work last night, it was an Asus RT model- the UI feels amazing on a tablet. Can't wait for some good x86 Windows 8 tablets, I'll be on one ASAP.

Didn't you say apps were utterly important? Microsoft's app store leaves a lot to be desired. Much more than the Play Store. As the Nexus name gains momentum, the Play Store will not only continue to grow, but will get better in quality.

Your other important feature was a lag-free and highly responsive OS. iOS is not lag-free nor is it 100% responsive. I've had plenty of experiences where I tap on an app icon, and the icon gets greyed out a bit so I know it caught my tap, but it won't launch. I experienced this on my 4S when I had it, and on my iPad 3rd gen running iOS 6 today still. Also, the keyboard constantly lags and/or misses key presses when I'm typing. This hardly seems responsive. The missed keys lead to some atrocious auto correcting. Don't forget, the iOS keyboard gave birth to the entire "Damn You iPhone Auto Correct" phenom on the web. Again, hardly lag-free and 100% responsive.

Is Android perfect in responsiveness and completely lag-free? Heck no. Is iOS? Well, only you would know your own experiences.

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Screen on time?

You practically have no wakelocks or alarms. Do you have email set to push? No social apps refreshing? Is this your main and only phone?

Ah, I never captured a screen on time... I can try to capture one next time.

But I can tell you I push three different email accounts, leave gchat signed on, and use Whatsapp constantly throughout the day. During my commute, I listen to music, browse, and play some games (nothing intensive though. I'm talking Tetris, Solitaire, the occasional Jetpack Joyride, heh).

You seem awfully skeptical about the battery life claims judging by your posts recently, and I suppose I can't blame you. But I assure you, HSPA+ is a perfect balance of speed and batteries. You'll get through a day of moderate use very easily.

EDIT: You can sort of see the screen on time at the bottom of the graph in the pic.

I can post my usage today, if you want, but I didn't use it very much today.

 

[3bs]

Ah, I never captured a screen on time... I can try to capture one next time.

But I can tell you I push three different email accounts, leave gchat signed on, and use Whatsapp constantly throughout the day. During my commute, I listen to music, browse, and play some games (nothing intensive though. I'm talking Tetris, Solitaire, the occasional Jetpack Joyride, heh).

You seem awfully skeptical about the battery life claims judging by your posts recently, and I suppose I can't blame you. But I assure you, HSPA+ is a perfect balance of speed and batteries. You'll get through a day of moderate use very easily.

EDIT: You can sort of see the screen on time at the bottom of the graph in the pic.

I can post my usage today, if you want, but I didn't use it very much today.

I just can't seem to go a whole day with moderate/heavy usage. Not with my iPhone 4/4S or GS3

 

[onthecouchagain]

I just can't seem to go a whole day with moderate/heavy usage. Not with my iPhone 4/4S or GS3

What is your moderate/heavy usage?

 

[3bs]

What is your moderate/heavy usage?

Well recently it's been about 13 hours of phone on and 3 hours of screen on time on average.

 

[zbarvian]

I couldn't stand to go without my music apps, or to have a touchscreen be less responsive. I've used Android 4.0 tablets and phones an they just aren't tight when following your finger. It's amazing how we can live in the 21st century with incredibly powerful SoC's and this sort of behavior is still accepted.

 

[ReanimationN]

Forget it.

 

[Technarchy]

I'm passing the time playing Punch Quest...sadly, it's not on android.

iOS is the developers choice.

 

[zbarvian]

No, it's not, but on an iPhone 5, iOS feels as close to 100% responsive as I've ever felt a mobile OS be. I can't speak for your experience with your iPad 3 or iPhone 4S as I don't own either, but my iPhone 5 hasn't missed a beat while typing.

That's right, and I've found Android to be a massive disappointment in this field. I bought an N7 after reading time after time that Jelly Bean had caught up to iOS in terms of responsiveness and performance, only to find that's not the case at all. I came into Android with an open mind after being disappointed with the past few iOS releases, only to walk away feeling more disappointed with Android than I do with iOS. iOS is still annoyingly limited, still boring, still much the same as it has been for the last few years, but it has the basics done right and that's what I want. Not a pile of features on top of a laggy OS.

This summarizes perfectly my impression of Android vs iOS.

 

[onthecouchagain]

I'm passing the time playing Punch Quest...sadly, it's not on android.

Android doesn't have Punch Quest yet? Why didn't you say so earlier????

: throws GN out the window :

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iOS is still annoyingly limited, still boring, still much the same as it has been for the last few years, but it has the basics done right and that's what I want.

Sounds like you're the perfect market audience for Apple. Fair enough.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I couldn't stand to go without my music apps, or to have a touchscreen be less responsive. I've used Android 4.0 tablets and phones an they just aren't tight when following your finger. It's amazing how we can live in the 21st century with incredibly powerful SoC's and this sort of behavior is still accepted.

That's gotta be device specific. The touchscreen on my GS3 is just as responsive and natural like as the iPhone.

 

[onthecouchagain]

That's gotta be device specific. The touchscreen on my GS3 is just as responsive and natural like as the iPhone.

Don't worry. These fellas are just pinching and squeezing and nitpicking all that's left that can be used to criticize Android. And whatever they can squeeze, they'll blow up to obfuscate and make it a bigger issue than it is. To some, millisecond differences in touch responsiveness, or waiting a little bit for games like Punch Quest (hell of a fun game, not knocking it) is a deal breaker. All fair points of view.

 

[cnguyen0320]

That's gotta be device specific. The touchscreen on my GS3 is just as responsive and natural like as the iPhone.

Every phone will lag sometimes. The iPhone, the GS3. Just testing the phones out at at&t's kiosk today, I found the iphone to be just a bit better at handling lag. It also depends on how much you run in the background. I think people complain about android's lag because they don't end background processes and have like 10 apps running at a time. Apple on the other hand closes down apps when over 3 or 4 are open (they still show up when you double tap home but they aren't actively running or ready to quickly resume action). Its intuitive on apple's part but also a restriction that can draw criticism