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leman

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For me, I really don't know if I'll keep this device. At the moment it just feels wrong. Recently I had this feeling when my company forced me to use a Thinkpad with Windows. Don't get me wrong, I'm a Apple fanboy, I only use Apple devices for decades now, I missionize everyone I know to buy the iPhone instead of the crappy Android phone, the iPad instead of the Lenovo tablet etc. etc. Now seems to be the time when I start doubting my own preaching.

It you want a system that you can tweak and mod as much as you please, Apple is not for you. They offer curated experience with limited options that make sense to most. I can understand that it’s not for everyone, but that’s what they sell. I used to be a passionate Linux hacker when I was young, but these days I buy Apple specifically because they offer read-only system volumes and mandatory code-signing. There is no reason whatsoever why a regular user would not want these things.
 

ght56

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At least based on the product cycle of the 16-inch MacBook Pro, it is just too early to answer your question. I've observed that YouTube reviewers tend to be overly positive or overly negative when reviewing Apple products, and the bigger reviewers tend to be overly positive without discussing the negative--the reasoning behind that I cannot say. I wouldn't assume those issues in that video are systematic nor would I assume those issues are one-off at this point. That said, most are not reporting most of those issues at least thus far. Inconsistent SSD performance and Bluetooth issues to varying degrees are the ones that seem to be discussed the most to date.

(edit--I should probably also note that we, as Mac owners, do tend to heavily scrutinize these products. So what constitutes a "major" issue is very subjective. Right now I do not think we've seen anything "catastrophic," and the very low heat of these systems combined with the historic reliability of iPad/iPhone suggest that they should be very reliable, but we are very early in the product lifecycle as well.)
 
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oklhost

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It you want a system that you can tweak and mod as much as you please, Apple is not for you. They offer curated experience with limited options that make sense to most. I can understand that it’s not for everyone, but that’s what they sell. I used to be a passionate Linux hacker when I was young, but these days I buy Apple specifically because they offer read-only system volumes and mandatory code-signing. There is no reason whatsoever why a regular user would not want these things.
Don't get me wrong, but this is the default answer, as long as you're not affected. I know it all, also started in 1998 with NetBSD, now I'm Senior Developer/DevOps Engineer. The main reason why I use Macs for more than a decade is because I don't want to tweak any stupid stuff like kernels, printers etc. - you know what I mean. But come on, a screen resolution that you could change for years... just because it's the holy Apple, we don't have to say amen to every ridiculous decision. If they forced you to use a pink desktop from now on, you wouldn't find that cool either.

And sorry again, this phrase "Apple is not for you..." - I do not want compile a whole new system, okay? There is no other ecosystem or operating system with fits like Apple. Also so Mac is IMHO the one and only if you're a coder at work, but a creator after work. Before you telling me "Apple is not for you", you should differentiate a little. Changes a screen resolution is not really hacking/tweaking the OS. It's like change from light to dark mode, not more. ;-)

Anyway, I have to deal with, there isn't really good alternatives. FYI: They also killed pretty default HiDPI modes on DTK as well as Mac Mini with Big Sur Beta 9 for external displays.
 
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Apple Fritter

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I've observed that YouTube reviewers tend to be overly positive or overly negative when reviewing Apple products, and the bigger reviewers tend to be overly positive without discussing the negative--the reasoning behind that I cannot say.
I guess it's the same as with a newspaper. Imagine a single page with bold letters saying “Everything is fine, even the weather.” Nobody would buy or read it. Hoomans for ya.
 
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leman

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Don't get me wrong, but this is the default answer, as long as you're not affected. I know it all, also started in 1998 with NetBSD, now I'm Senior Developer/DevOps Engineer. The main reason why I use Macs for more than a decade is because I don't want to tweak any stupid stuff like kernels, printers etc. - you know what I mean. But come on, a screen resolution that you could change for years... just because it's the holy Apple, we don't have to say amen to every ridiculous decision. If they forced you to use a pink desktop from now on, you wouldn't find that cool either.

And sorry again, this phrase "Apple is not for you..." - I do not want compile a whole new system, okay? There is no other ecosystem or operating system with fits like Apple. Also so Mac is IMHO the one and only if you're a coder at work, but a creator after work. Before you telling me "Apple is not for you", you should differentiate a little. Changes a screen resolution is not really hacking/tweaking the OS. It's like change from light to dark mode, not more. ;-)

Anyway, I have to deal with, there isn't really good alternatives. FYI: They also killed pretty default HiDPI modes on DTK as well as Mac Mini with Big Sur Beta 9 for external displays.

I do understand your frustration. I just want to point to that if you rely on undocumented features you will always end up disappointed. Apple never offered the ability to switch resolution freely — SwitchResX simply exploited the internal resolution management system to offer unsupported configurations. Since the internal implementation can switch at any time... I just don't see how this can be considered a feature. In reality, it was never supported. It just happened to work.
 
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oklhost

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I do understand your frustration. I just want to point to that if you rely on undocumented features you will always end up disappointed. Apple never offered the ability to switch resolution freely — SwitchResX simply exploited the internal resolution management system to offer unsupported configurations. Since the internal implementation can switch at any time... I just don't see how this can be considered a feature. In reality, it was never supported. It just happened to work.
Totally agree. But you have to admit, it doesn't really make sense to artificially downgrade such a great display. However, I can't change it and have to deal with it. But I will never shut my mouth and say yes to every weird idea Apple gets. ;-)
 
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mactinkerlover

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Sep 20, 2020
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I came across this video, basically describing all the issues the vlogger has with his new MacBook M1.
In short, the problems are:
Slow down and loss of sound in FCP and having to restart
Mac screen would go blank
Ethernet speed is inconsistent with Finder
Slow external SSD
Only able to get 30Hz with an external display with Thunderbolt
Display won't turn back on after sleep
Mine is coming next month, would love to hear how the early adopters' experience.

As far as I know as of the moment, the m1 macs can have bluetooth issues which is believed to be a software problem. However, I came across posts today that peoples m1 macbook air and pros just randomly stop working and won't turn on anymore. see here: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...inue-bricked-non-functional-macbooks.2273271/
 

maxsquared

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rsucre

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I already posted this on another thread but I think it is relevant this thread too:

I'm experiencing an issue with my MacBook Air M1. When the external display is connected, Touch ID stops working. I noticed that in that situation, Touch ID may work if my hand palm is resting on the aluminum. It seems like some kind of electrical grounding issue when the external display is connected via the USB-C port using any of my USB-C to HDMI adapters (tried with 2 different ones). It seems that also the trackpad becomes a little less smooth (the cursor movement) under that circumstance too.

Anyone experienced this situation?
 

thejadedmonkey

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May 28, 2005
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It's just like any other mac. Apple did a very good job here.

We just got an Air, and I am in the process of setting it up. Aside from it being absolutely quiet, I can't tell that it's any different from any other air. I haven't see any issues at all yet, and all of the apps I wanted have installed/run without any hiccups.
 

pugxiwawa

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Nov 10, 2009
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I already posted this on another thread but I think it is relevant this thread too:

I'm experiencing an issue with my MacBook Air M1. When the external display is connected, Touch ID stops working. I noticed that in that situation, Touch ID may work if my hand palm is resting on the aluminum. It seems like some kind of electrical grounding issue when the external display is connected via the USB-C port using any of my USB-C to HDMI adapters (tried with 2 different ones). It seems that also the trackpad becomes a little less smooth (the cursor movement) under that circumstance too.

Anyone experienced this situation?
No issue with mine, being using with external display for over a month. Maybe you can get your exchanged?
 

ArPe

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May 31, 2020
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Hmm well here’s a funny thing I discovered.

I can stream 10 hours of video from Apple TV on a battery charge.

But I can stream about 6 hours of music from the Music app.

Can’t work out why video playback is more efficient than music.

My system settings are always the same. Keyboard and screen brightness maxed. Volume 80%
 
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