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Use the right tool for the job.

In your case, that means getting a Windows laptop "for the job".
Is the company paying for this computer?
Then get what they recommend.

And then... get yourself a Mac for your personal life.
One shouldn't mix "work" and "personal" on the same computer, anyway...
 
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Use the right tool for the job.

In your case, that means getting a Windows laptop "for the job".
Is the company paying for this computer?
Then get what they recommend.

And then... get yourself a Mac for your personal life.
One shouldn't mix "work" and "personal" on the same computer, anyway...



The thing is I don't know if this job will last and I seriously don't want to throw away hundreds of dollars on a laptop that I won't use outside this work. The company isn't paying for the computer, so I'm going to get what I want. If I can run Windows on the Mac to do this then thats the way to go for me. It'll sandbox the virtual machine, and I'm using it through a VPN to get to where I need to go.
 
My new job requires that I run a 64 bit Windows program on an Intel laptop. I don't want to buy a Windows machine, I'd prefer to run Windows on top of VMWare, Parallels, or Boot Camp. It just has to be Intel, not Apple Silicon.

So are there any Intel MacBooks out in the channel, anywhere? A friend of mine bought a 5 year old iMac from B&H, still new in the factory sealed box, and another friend picked up a 3 year old Mini just a week ago, but I've been searching and can't find any new or Apple refurb Intel MacBook/Pro/Air anywhere. I really don't want to go the eBay / CL route either, due to the risk of fraud.
I would recommend the 16" Macbook Pro from 2019. It is the last production model with Intel and Dual-Boot capability to my limited knowledge. I use mine daily to run both MacOS and Windows for work, and have not upgraded to Apple silicon simply because it does not support Bootcamp. I needed to be able to run windows programs natively instead of through a VM. Mine is a workhorse i9, and I don't plan to upgrade it unless somehow we get bootcamp back in the future.
 
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I would recommend the 16" Macbook Pro from 2019. It is the last production model with Intel and Dual-Boot capability to my limited knowledge. I use mine daily to run both MacOS and Windows for work, and have not upgraded to Apple silicon simply because it does not support Bootcamp. I needed to be able to run windows programs natively instead of through a VM. Mine is a workhorse i9, and I don't plan to upgrade it unless somehow we get bootcamp back in the future.
I completely agree! the 2019's are quite good and thankfully the 16" has the scissor switch keyboard! The price they are going for now makes it quite easy to buy a maxed out model for the price of a base M1 or M2. If you require running Windows, the 2019's are the ones to look at.
 
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Try Amazon? I'm in UK and just bought a refurbished MBP 15" 2018 i9 model with 32gb ram and 512 gb SSD for £699 from Amazon. It's as new and had 2 cycles on the battery which still has 100% of original capacity. (the ad stated batteries would would be at least 80% capacity of original).

I'm well impressed and (for my uses) runs smoother and faster than my base 13" M1 MBA. Doesn't get hot and I've no issues wiyth keyboard.
 
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Try Amazon? I'm in UK and just bought a refurbished MBP 15" 2018 i9 model with 32gb ram and 512 gb SSD for £699 from Amazon. It's as new and had 2 cycles on the battery which still has 100% of original capacity. (the ad stated batteries would would be at least 80% capacity of original).

I'm well impressed and (for my uses) runs smoother and faster than my base 13" M1 MBA. Doesn't get hot and I've no issues wiyth keyboard.
you don't have issues with the keyboard "yet". its more of a when rather than would.
 
you don't have issues with the keyboard "yet". its more of a when rather than would.
We'll see - I had no issues with a 1st gen 12" Macbook keyboard a few years ago and that lasted me well for travelling. Despite many stories of them failing everywhere and being "worst ever" then the 2016 was, then the 2017..etc, etc.
 
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My new job requires that I run a 64 bit Windows program on an Intel laptop. I don't want to buy a Windows machine, I'd prefer to run Windows on top of VMWare, Parallels, or Boot Camp. It just has to be Intel, not Apple Silicon.
So are there any Intel MacBooks out in the channel, anywhere?

Yes.

If you are in the U.S. (which I am not), woot-dot-com, at present, has available four different refurbished Intel MacBook models: one Air (2015 11-inch, a “scratch-and-dent”) and three Pros available (2014, 2015, and 2017, with the 2015 being an i7 15-inch and the 2017 being a 13-inch i5 open box).

And for others reading this, I counted at least five different desktop Intel Macs (all but one was an iMac, and the other was a 2018 Mac mini.

(Also, have a look through macsales-dot-com (aka, OWC). They have a mix of OWC-warrantied refurbished and used MacBook Pros and MacBook Airs all the way to 2020 i7 models.)

There are probably other close-out-type outlets with NOS Macs like this — stock in the channel long outside of factory warranty, but basically still new. I’d love to find such an outlet for Canada, but I imagine that’s asking for too, too much.
 
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I found a seriously cheap way out on this thing.

I told my new boss about my dilemma, about how I really didn't want to spend the money on a Windows laptop if I could avoid it. I asked him if I could use emulation plus Windows on the iMac here just to get up to speed on the program he wanted me to use, and he said "you really don't need a laptop unless you're out on site, so go ahead".

I started looking into Win product keys and found a few legit sources for <$30 pro licenses, so that was crossed off the list. I grabbed a 14 day trial of Parallels and got that running in a few minutes. Then I found out that MS no longer requires a key for personal use, so Win 11 Home went on top of that.

It's up and running and I'm happy-ish with it. It seems to be slowing down as days go by, so there's a memory leak or something grabbing an increasing number of processor slices, or both. Typical Windows, though the 8MB of memory on my 2017 iMac is most likely part of the problem, with Windows virtual memory trying to run on top of the virtual virtual memory inside Parallels. I'll most likely max out the memory on my iMac to get things moving, but ultimately I'll pick up a refurb 2020 Intel iMac so I have the last of those machines.

All-in-all, this works, and it's doing exactly what I need. By the time I have to get into the field perhaps I'll find a good deal on an i9 MacBook Pro, or bite the bullet and get a Windows laptop. If the money coming in is good enough I won't grit my teeth too much on that one.

In the meantime, does anyone recall seeing articles about how MS "finally got it right" with Windows 10/11?

No... no they didn't.
 
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In the meantime, does anyone recall seeing articles about how MS "finally got it right" with Windows 10/11?

No... no they didn't.
Compared to how wrong they went with 8/8.1, 10 was... a lot better. That being said, 10 lacks what I'll call a certain... unity of purpose... - something you could see in 7 or in macOS, both of which are unabashedly designed for keyboard/mouse multi-window productivity and do not really pretend to be anything else. But it's at least livable...

The media that covers Microsoft is "interesting", though. To pick three examples:
- I don't recall seeing any massively-negative coverage of Windows 8 before it shipped; it's only after 3-6 months after release that commentary started to turn negative. Now, in the media's defence, they were running/reviewing Windows 8 betas on touch devices provided by Microsoft; those of us who ran the public betas on our old desktop machines perhaps had a better perspective.
- they have largely adopted the BS about the Windows 11 hardware requirements. Why hasn't anybody gotten their hands on the highest-end unsupported hardware and the lowest-end supported hardware, benchmarked the two and embarrassed the hell out of Microsoft? Why isn't someone wondering why Microsoft wants every grandmother's 5 year old computer turned into a ewaste or a malware den? Etc.
- there's another Windows 8-caliber mistake brewing, the replacement of big Windows Outlook (which, for all its flaws, does a lot of things well for the business market... and where business users, more importantly, know how to do what they need to do with it) with some web-technologies-based joke

Honestly, I suspect the Windows media is like most other media these days, they want to preserve their access at all cost and are not willing to put their necks out by being the first with sharply-negative coverage of an impending disaster. And they always try to put the most positive spin on everything...
 
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An update, for anyone interested.

While I worked on finding a good i9 MacBook Pro for my job, I bumped my 2017 iMac up to 40GB of memory and installed Win 11 on it. I spent a couple of hours downloading the OS and then another couple locking it down. I think I used the online guide "ThisIsWin11" or something like that, plus I installed Firefox. Performance was about what you'd expect. Decent but not ready for games, which is fine for my use.

And then after I told my boss that I'd gotten the system working with our configuration software, he says "You needed a laptop? Why didn't you tell me? I'll buy one for you."

/facepalm.jpg....

So we swerved off the road and went into the nearest BestBuy. I tried to get the best thing by the specs, but I've already been told it's consumer-grade and not that good. HP Envy, 17.3 inch screen, 32GB memory with a 1TB SSD. The processor specs are meaningless to me because now in addition to the CPU number I have to consider the generation, but it's allegedly awesome. It also has "Bang & Olufsen" sound, which turned out to be terrible compared to everything else in my house including my watch. Maybe I need to work with it more but so far I can't see any way to adjust preferences to make it sound better.

Another 3 hours spent downloading Firefox and then locking down all the leaky stuff. First impressions of Win 11 running on native hardware: why would anyone want something this difficult and user-unfriendly? Just the trackpad gestures alone make me want to throw this thing through a wall. I have to be very careful with how I swipe and where, or else I risk minimizing the browser or file manager window. I'm also used to how interconnected everything is on the Mac, but in Win I have to subscribe to Office 365 just to have Outlook and their version of Notes. That's not gonna happen.

The display text looks terrible but images look nice. And there's no easy way to change the basically unreadable system font. On the Mac that takes all of 10 seconds to do, with most of that time spent sipping coffee.

The laptop goes into high-speed fan mode at random times, without apparent regard to what I'm using it for - or if I'm even touching the thing. It was sitting on my desk being ignored for a couple of house, and the fan kicked on. That meant either the CPU was getting used fully, or else the fan control was freaking out.

I'm sure as I get used to this nightmare-fuel of an operating system, and this kludge of a laptop, it'll get easier.

Sure it will.
 
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So we swerved off the road and went into the nearest BestBuy. I tried to get the best thing by the specs, but I've already been told it's consumer-grade and not that good. HP Envy, 17.3 inch screen, 32GB memory with a 1TB SSD. The processor specs are meaningless to me because now in addition to the CPU number I have to consider the generation, but it's allegedly awesome.
Well, it will probably outperform a Lenovo ThinkPad with an i5, 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD :)

But... consumer-grade just means... moodier. Less driver/BIOS/etc updates than the thing probably should get. More junk software. Etc.

Oh, and what resolution is that screen? There's a reason most Windows diehards don't touch high resolution screens and that's largely that they don't trust that Windows will scale things properly - a 17" should be 1920x1080/1920x1200, not something stupid like 4K.
 
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Well, it will probably outperform a Lenovo ThinkPad with an i5, 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD :)

True!

But... consumer-grade just means... moodier. Less driver/BIOS/etc updates than the thing probably should get. More junk software. Etc.

Oh, and what resolution is that screen? There's a reason most Windows diehards don't touch high resolution screens and that's largely that they don't trust that Windows will scale things properly - a 17" should be 1920x1080/1920x1200, not something stupid like 4K.


I have Win 11 up and running on the 2017 iMac 27 inch as I type this, with the screen set at 2560 resolution. Going into the Parallels desktop I have two full=size Firefox windows open, the text looks like it's about 3 pt type, and it's clear as crystal. Switching to the Envy, I can open two browser windows on that thing and even with substantially larger type size it's fatiguing to look at for any length of time. The standard fonts look like grains of sand glued to construction paper.

MacOS just manages fonts and displays better, I guess.
 
I have Win 11 up and running on the 2017 iMac 27 inch as I type this, with the screen set at 2560 resolution. Going into the Parallels desktop I have two full=size Firefox windows open, the text looks like it's about 3 pt type, and it's clear as crystal. Switching to the Envy, I can open two browser windows on that thing and even with substantially larger type size it's fatiguing to look at for any length of time. The standard fonts look like grains of sand glued to construction paper.

MacOS just manages fonts and displays better, I guess.
First, your iMac is not a 2560x1440 screen, the 2017 would have been a retina 5120x2880. The retina display and the software stack behind it is an amazing accomplishment... and I say this as someone who was a Windows guy from 1995 to about 2015 who has never owned a non-retina modern Mac. (I now have... 3... non-retina vintage Macs, including one not even in my signature yet, but they were all acquired second-hand as vintage collectibles.)

Second, I don't think it's the OS as much as it is a couple of bigger things:
1) Windows aimed for more resolution independence; Apple did the whole 2x retina thing. Try running, say, a 4K external monitor on a Mac and my understanding is that your scaling options are... not ideal. But on the displays that Apple ships, the 2x retina approach is simpler. And well-implemented simplicity is a lot better than a more ambitious vision that doesn't actually get adopted.

2) Windows' attempt towards resolution independence have been stuck due to the fact that it is extremely difficult to get third-party developers to move towards newer APIs, etc. It's what I would call the "Vista effect" - ever since Vista was negatively received by the market, then effectively, third party vendors need to support the oldest-currently supported Microsoft OS until Microsoft stops doing so. So that means everything needs to run on XP until 2014, 7 until 2020, etc. Which means that if Microsoft added a great API to solve a problem in, say, Vista (2007), no one is going to touch it until at least 2015, eight years later. At least some third-party vendors were still supporting XP in 2015/2016 or... even later. The era of most software in 1996 requiring Windows 95 which was released in 1995 is... completely over... in Windowsland. In Macland, well, most software today requires at least Big Sur (2020), and as someone who recently revised a late 2013 retina MBP that only goes to Big Sur without OCLP, I can tell you there are even some little utilities out there where the newest versions require Monterey or Ventura.

I would further add that the Windows software ecosystem is increasingly atrophying - no one writes new software for Windows, only Chrome/Electron. Older software tends to have been sold to new owners who have laid off most of the development teams and implemented new licensing models, so people don't want to go from perpetual licences they paid for to paying a huge amount annually.

(Really, I would you, with the benefit of hindsight, that the XP/Vista debacle basically killed the Windows platform in slow motion. Doesn't help that Windows 8's insanity came along right at a time when the ship was perhaps righting itself a little.)

3) There's a major chicken-and-egg problem - Windows people, especially corporate IT types, do not want to touch high-resolution screens that require scaling because, well, they don't have the patience to deal with those glitches. And since no one serious, to this day, runs Windows on displays requiring scaling, well, the incentive for third-party developers is not there.

One of the strengths and weakness of the post-return-of-Steve-Jobs Mac world is that there's very much a 'move fast and break things' mentality - annual OS releases, an eagerness to abandon old things, etc. A lot of good software has been lost along the way (e.g. why can I not play Spaceward Ho 5.0 for Mac on anything newer than Snow Leopard? I haven't tried in years, but there's a good chance Spaceward Ho 4.0 for Windows will run on Windows 11. And let's not talk about all the 32-bit Intel games), but the software that has stuck around understands that they have to do things Apple's way or be left behind. It's one of the reasons that most of the big software vendors made the move to Apple silicon so quickly (and so much quicker than either PPC or Intel) - after close to two decades of this, they understand that you can't diverge too much from the Apple development tools, the Apple APIs, etc.
Similarly, a lot of good hardware has been e-wasted over the years that could have met many people's needs (look at the disastrous state of web browser support on older Macs - meanwhile, you can crawl Windows 10 or, unsupportedly, 11, on pretty much every machine from 2004-5 forward and have a modern, currently supported web browser).
But, as much as lots of things fall behind

The reality, in my mind, is that, to this day, you cannot do a high-resolution screen on Windows. Either you put such a screen in and hope for the best with third party software's poor scaling abilities (which, to be clear, is a lot better than ten years ago), or you put in a screen that doesn't require scaling, in which case you get great software compatibility but the results look like garbage compared to a retina Mac.

What screen resolution is your 17" Envy?
 
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First, your iMac is not a 2560x1440 screen, the 2017 would have been a retina 5120x2880. The retina display and the software stack behind it is an amazing accomplishment... and I say this as someone who was a Windows guy from 1995 to about 2015 who has never owned a non-retina modern Mac. (I now have... 3... non-retina vintage Macs, including one not even in my signature yet, but they were all acquired second-hand as vintage collectibles.)

I know it's capable of it but does anyone run this machine at 5120? I tried it just now and it looked like flea Woodstock. It's perfect at 2560. Or am I missing a particular technique to make the desktop livable at that res?


Second, I don't think it's the OS as much as it is a couple of bigger things:
1) Windows aimed for more resolution independence; ...

2) Windows' attempt towards resolution independence have been stuck due to the fact that it is extremely difficult to get third-party developers to move towards newer APIs, etc....

3) There's a major chicken-and-egg problem - Windows people, especially corporate IT types, do not want to touch high-resolution screens that require scaling because, well, they don't have the patience to deal with those glitches. And since no one serious, to this day, runs Windows on displays requiring scaling, well, the incentive for third-party developers is not there...

(trimmed for brevity)

All good info, thank you!

What screen resolution is your 17" Envy?

It's 1920 x 1080, or as BBuy likes to say "Full HD". I would debate that.

BTW, I was wrong about the installed memory. I was confusing the HP with the memory I just fed my iMac. The HP is 16GB. My Macs have all done just fine with 8GB all these years so I thought 16GB would be fine. Since I'm not playing games or doing NLVE the Envy speed is adequate.

BTW2, the processor is an "Intel 13th Generation Core i7" with a base clock of 5Ghz. Since nothing is measured the way it used to be I don't even know if that number means anything.
 
2018-2020 models were some of the worst Macs Apple has ever made (underpowered and overheating with laughably flawed thermal solutions).
Amen to that. I had a 2020 i5 MacBook Air and it was just a wheezing mess. The fans would kick into overdrive doing literally anything at all and I was lucky to get 5 hours battery life out of it.
 
I know it's capable of it but does anyone run this machine at 5120? I tried it just now and it looked like flea Woodstock. It's perfect at 2560. Or am I missing a particular technique to make the desktop livable at that res?
When you set it at "2560x1440", it's not actually 2560x1440. It's doing deep Apple retina magic to give you a 2560x1440 equivalent on the 5120x2880 screen. And one of the things it is doing is using higher-quality icons, for example, so a 32x32 pixel icon in your fake 2560x1440 is actually a 64x64 icon with higher detail.

Basically, deep retina magic is designed around doubling. The 2013 and older iMacs had a real 2560x1440 panel; the newer ones have double that, but the software magically hides the doubling and everything just magically looks crisper and better.

It's 1920 x 1080, or as BBuy likes to say "Full HD". I would debate that.

BTW, I was wrong about the installed memory. I was confusing the HP with the memory I just fed my iMac. The HP is 16GB. My Macs have all done just fine with 8GB all these years so I thought 16GB would be fine. Since I'm not playing games or doing NLVE the Envy speed is adequate.

BTW2, the processor is an "Intel 13th Generation Core i7" with a base clock of 5Ghz. Since nothing is measured the way it used to be I don't even know if that number means anything.
Starting in the late 2000s, TV concepts started to infect the Windows world. In TV land, "HD" is 1366x768, "full HD" is 1920x1080, and "4K" is 3840x2160. 1366x768/1920x1080 became the 'standard' Windows laptop resolutions in the early 2010s, to the sadness of many IT administrators (1600x900 was a great, no-scaling-required resolution on a 14" business laptop, but Dell/Lenovo dropped that option around 2013 or 2014 maybe).

They actually started chopping off the bottom of screens as part of this, too. e.g. there were lots of 1920x1200 monitors in the late 2000s. They got replaced by "full HD" 1920x1080 and now 1920x1200 is limited to a few models sold to knowledgeable buyers online. You will be unlikely to find a 1920x1200 monitor at Worst Buy when they would have had a whole bunch in 2008-9.

Similarly, low-end Windows world adopted HDMI for monitors, while high-end Windows world runs DisplayPort. Try to find monitors, desktops or laptops with DisplayPort ports at Worst Buy - I'd guess it's <20%.

There are lots of grumpy old Windows guys like me who are still grumpy about all of those changes and trends. And to the extent us grumpy Windows guys control IT purchasing at work, well, you may see us trying to avoid our best to equip people with this junk :)

(Note that Apple laptops never went from 16:10 aspect ratios to 16:9 at this time. 1280x800 stayed 1280x800 and wasn't replaced by 1366x768, then when they came out with retina, it became 2560x1600. But Windowsworld abandoned 16:10 for 16:9 TV resolutions.)

1920x1080 on a 17" means no scaling. This is excellent for compatibility. But if you are used to an Apple retina screen, well, you are in for one hell of a disappointment with the image quality, especially for smaller text or graphical details. Keep in mind you are comparing 1920x1080 on a 17" screen with a 2560x1440 workspace powered by Apple retina magic on an actual 5120x2880 screen on the Mac.

If you could find a laptop with a 3840x2160 screen, well, if the software was good at 2x scaling, the image quality would be dramatically better. But if the software is not so good (and certainly a lot of older/custom/etc Windows software does not scale well)... well... then you have a problem. Apple retina magic is basically a much clever but less flexible way of addressing the software side of things... and since they introduced it a decade ago, the entire ecosystem has long adapted to it.

13th gen i7 is the current generation, i7 is pretty high up in Intel's price discrimination scheme. Note that 5.0GHz is not the base clock, it's the turbo boost clock - in other words, if there is enough power and it is not running too hot and it has work to do, it will increase its clock speed up to 5GHz. I don't know what you're using this thing for, but my guess is that you have, if anything, 'too much' processor. That is a very serious processor for a Windows laptop.
 
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Amen to that. I had a 2020 i5 MacBook Air and it was just a wheezing mess. The fans would kick into overdrive doing literally anything at all and I was lucky to get 5 hours battery life out of it.
I have long believed that the 2015-2020 Apple designs were designed on the assumption that Intel would continue the trend that you saw between 2005-6 and 2015 where they went from 90nm to 14nm and massively increased performance while cutting power consumption, especially at idle.

Instead, Intel got stuck at 14nm for generations and generations (my rough guess is that they should have been at 10nm in late 2016, 7nm in late 2018ish, if they had continued their previous trends... instead, they renamed 10nm "Intel 7" and the real 7nm process from Intel now called "Intel 4" is due this year or next, so that's about a 5 year lag compared to their previous pace), they tried to cover it up by boosting core counts and clock speeds, both of which were very very very bad for Apple's designs. (And yes, I know that your MBA got one of the very rare 10nm Intel chips instead, but...)

Take, for example, the 12" MacBook I am typing on now. My guess is that if you had had a 10nm Intel CPU in 2016, and 7nm CPU in 2018, the 12" MacBook would have been quite a different product. But instead it just got 3 generations of 14nm chips before its death.

(And this is why we have Apple silicon today...)
 
When you set it at "2560x1440", it's not actually 2560x1440. It's doing deep Apple retina magic to give you a 2560x1440 equivalent on the 5120x2880 screen. And one of the things it is doing is using higher-quality icons, for example, so a 32x32 pixel icon in your fake 2560x1440 is actually a 64x64 icon with higher detail.

Basically, deep retina magic is designed around doubling. The 2013 and older iMacs had a real 2560x1440 panel; the newer ones have double that, but the software magically hides the doubling and everything just magically looks crisper and better.
Soooo... is there a good reason it's at 2560? I mean, this is what it was at just out of the box. Unlike some of my old PPC Macs and early Intel Macs I never had to adjust the resolution to make it good for my eyes. Or should I switch to 5120 and start going through all the text and icon controls to enlarge everything?


13th gen i7 is the current generation, i7 is pretty high up in Intel's price discrimination scheme. Note that 5.0GHz is not the base clock, it's the turbo boost clock - in other words, if there is enough power and it is not running too hot and it has work to do, it will increase its clock speed up to 5GHz. I don't know what you're using this thing for, but my guess is that you have, if anything, 'too much' processor. That is a very serious processor for a Windows laptop.

Yes I would say speed is not the Envy's issue. Everything else is, though. I like it best when it's closed and not bothering me. Then it looks good. Open it and... cheap feeling keyboard, overly sensitive trackpad, all stuck in a body that knocks off the Air while managing to weigh 4 times as much. I mean this thing is Austin Powers in a fat suit heavy. Wresting with that while I fight with Windows and the constant pop-ups telling me my laptop has to be rebooted to take on some update or another. I have all that stuff shut off but somehow a few get through now and then. I got caught in some ridiculous loop last week, where it was telling me to reboot to apply updates, but then it told me it couldn't reboot because updates needed to be applied, or something like that. I was too frustrated to write it down, and no one would have believed it anyway.

Suffice it to say... there's a time and place when you need a Windows laptop (usually because you want to try Linux) but for all the rest of time, people should not be too harsh on Apple. The occasional screwup there, but overall we have a good thing going.
 
Soooo... is there a good reason it's at 2560? I mean, this is what it was at just out of the box. Unlike some of my old PPC Macs and early Intel Macs I never had to adjust the resolution to make it good for my eyes. Or should I switch to 5120 and start going through all the text and icon controls to enlarge everything?
It's at 2560x1440 because that's what the 27" iMac was prior to the retinaification. The first "retina" models of every generation of Apple product are exactly double the resolution in the exact same size panel as the last non-retina models. Same reason the 13" retina MacBook was 2560x1600 - the 13" non-retina was 1280x800.

The entire point of the Apple retina architecture is that Apple has already implemented a system where it enlarges all the text/icons/everything. Basically, they take the extra pixels and give you a fake desktop at the old resolution, except with crisper icons, fonts, etc because they now have 4 times as many pixels to work with under the hood. You most definitely, definitely do not want to try and mess around with that - why do you want to go to the horrors of Windowsworld when Apple designed a magical way to reach an outstanding result 10 years ago that works wonderfully?

So basically, leave it set to the default fake 2560x1440 and thank the late Steve Jobs for having overseen the development of the retina displays. One of the only major innovations in desktop computing in the past 15 years, if you ask me - it started on iPhone first, but Apple, to their credit, was able to move the magic over to the Mac.

(Now, if you wanted to buy an external monitor tomorrow, that's where you are somewhat in trouble, because there are few monitors on the market that have the best resolutions for magical retina doubling. There's a dude out there who has a big blog where he documents all the issues trying to find external monitors with good resolutions for macOS, I forget where it is but if you google you can probably find it.)
 
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It's at 2560x1440 because that's what the 27" iMac was prior to the retinaification. The first "retina" models of every generation of Apple product are exactly double the resolution in the exact same size panel as the last non-retina models. Same reason the 13" retina MacBook was 2560x1600 - the 13" non-retina was 1280x800.

The entire point of the Apple retina architecture is that Apple has already implemented a system where it enlarges all the text/icons/everything. Basically, they take the extra pixels and give you a fake desktop at the old resolution, except with crisper icons, fonts, etc because they now have 4 times as many pixels to work with under the hood. You most definitely, definitely do not want to try and mess around with that - why do you want to go to the horrors of Windowsworld when Apple designed a magical way to reach an outstanding result 10 years ago that works wonderfully?

So basically, leave it set to the default fake 2560x1440 and thank the late Steve Jobs for having overseen the development of the retina displays. One of the only major innovations in desktop computing in the past 15 years, if you ask me - it started on iPhone first, but Apple, to their credit, was able to move the magic over to the Mac.

(Now, if you wanted to buy an external monitor tomorrow, that's where you are somewhat in trouble, because there are few monitors on the market that have the best resolutions for magical retina doubling. There's a dude out there who has a big blog where he documents all the issues trying to find external monitors with good resolutions for macOS, I forget where it is but if you google you can probably find it.)
Just want to chime in and say this is the kind of quality stuff that keeps me coming back to this forum! Thanks for taking the time to post.
 
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I think it would be better to just get a (non-Mac) intel laptop.

While the 2019 MBP will do the job, it is almost 4 years old. It is getting closer to the point where Apple will drop support for it in a couple of years. Also it can’t run Windows 11 in bootcamp if that is ever a necessity. So no new macOS and no new windows in a short time.

If it is for your job then you are better off with something that will be supported long term. Repairs for the 2019 MBP are very expensive. Everything is soldered on the board, which means the entire board has to be replaced if something goes wrong. I have one and had to pay $700 earlier this year because the ram went bad. Then the gpu went bad on that board but fortunately it was covered by the repair warranty.

Ideally your job would provide you with the tools you need for work rather than have you spend money on it. But if you have to buy it, spend on something that will last a long time and be supported.
 
Also it can’t run Windows 11 in bootcamp if that is ever a necessity.
Has anybody tried installing Windows 11 with the TPM check disabled? I... strongly suspect... it would actually work, but I don't have any recent Intel Macs with spare storage to try it on. But if Windows 11 with the hardware checks disabled runs great on a C2Q on a 2008-era non-UEFI motherboard with drivers for everything being for either Windows 7 or 10 (which it does - I have a machine here doing exactly that, complete with the latest patches and some of the latest UI features allegedly reserved for officially-supported machines), I can't see why the Macs would be any worse...
 
Has anybody tried installing Windows 11 with the TPM check disabled? I... strongly suspect... it would actually work, but I don't have any recent Intel Macs with spare storage to try it on. But if Windows 11 with the hardware checks disabled runs great on a C2Q on a 2008-era non-UEFI motherboard with drivers for everything being for either Windows 7 or 10 (which it does - I have a machine here doing exactly that, complete with the latest patches and some of the latest UI features allegedly reserved for officially-supported machines), I can't see why the Macs would be any worse...
I believe there is a work around for that model MBP to get Win11 installed. However if it is a machine for work, I would not not depend on unsupported workarounds. Get something that is stable and you don’t have to jump through hoops to get working or fixed when it stops working. If it’s for a personal machine to tinker with then it’s ok.
 
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