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I just tried a brand new fresh 10.6.7 direct install (10.6.0 -> 10.6.7 combo updater) and the finder issue still persists. So I decided to try taking the card out. But now there's another problem. The connector's wedged in there, and I mean GOOD. I can't even remove my cable's connector with needle nose plyers. I'm afraid if I try much more I'm going to rip the SAS connector right off the card!

This is unfscking believable. I want this card GONE. NOW. I simply cannot believe the sheer amount of crap I'm having to go through just to get out of the mess this thing has gotten me into in the first place. :(

My fingers are raw from turning screwdrivers and thumbscrews all week. I don't have the strength to do a brute force pull of the connector while pinching it (nor the elbow room as it's inside the damned computer).

I am really REALLY despising the SAS connector design right now.

I don't know how the hell I'm going to get this off and still have a card left to send back for a refund.
 
Finally got the connector loose. Thank god I have jeweler's flatblade screwdrivers handy. That's what it took to get into the connector housing to push down on the SAS latch.

Ugh.

I'm done with the RAID bit. If this is the trouble I have to go through, then it isn't worth it. I've taken my computer apart I don't know how many times in just this one week. My hands are raw from it all, and the end result is a non-working setup.

Good riddance.

Nanofrog: You've been immensely helpful, and for that I'm very grateful. I'll try to pay it forward with areas where I'm suited to help others.

I'm dead serious though about the SAS connector design. They could build and design a better latching system than this one, and make it on a connector that isn't so frail.

So now I'm left with an SAS-SATA breakout cable in my Mac Pro. Oh how I'm looking forward to eventually trying to remove that from my optical bay. I'm half tempted to just snip the cable in half and pull it out in two places more easily than I could in a single place. Thankfully I left the original SATA cable in the optical bay as well, so I've removed all but my Vertex 3 from the hot swap enclosure and am running the lone SATA cable from my ODD_SATA port to that drive.

Time to get a HD dock that has only an eSATA connection so I can eliminate the bridge chip in between and have an externally bootable drive for emergencies (my current dock has a combo USB2/eSATA bridge which is preventing me from booting from it).

I guess I can take one good thing from all this. I keep a backup of my drives, a backup of that backup, and a 2TB HD to back both of my backups at once (for reversioning/regression testing/recovery), and on my boot SSD I keep both the Snow Leopard and Lion installers, plus the 10.6.8 combo updater, so installing a new OS from scratch is relatively quick. I have the setup made so that in case something goes massively wrong, I have a fast recovery even without RAID hardware doing the rebuilding for me. And that IMO is better practice than letting hardware do your job for you blindly.

And now that I'm done with this bruehaha, I'm going to wipe my OCZ Summit and turn that into my new Windows boot drive. No more bootcamp partition. Just need to find and install the Intel AHCI drivers so I can get my full SATA2 speeds in Windows in my Mac Pro. :)

Man my thumbs hurt...
 
I had the same problem with one of my 8087 connectors. I tried my jeweller's screwdrivers, too... but never did get it free. I just left it on there.
 
I had the same problem with one of my 8087 connectors. I tried my jeweller's screwdrivers, too... but never did get it free. I just left it on there.

Insert the screwdriver on top of the metal latch, and wedge it slightly between that and the housing shield of the card's connector port. Use the screwdriver as a level (pull up to make the screwdriver push down) and pull on the connector at the same time. It should take minimal force to get it out this way as the latch is no longer making contact with the housing notch.

It's a good thing I didn't need much force using this method - I had about two inches of wiggle room to get my hand in there, and that was with me hunched over with my left arm twisted to grab the connector while I held the screwdriver in my right hand, all the while making sure the card didn't scrape anything or fall out. I didn't take the Mac Pro off my desk this time because my back, arms, shoulders, and fingers were stiff and sore as hell from doing that all week long. 65 lbs. isn't a small amount to lift over and over and over again, having to do so in a precision manner as my Mac Pro is on the edge of my desk in a tight space. Plus all the connecting three USB, optical cable, both firewire cables, MDP->HDMI adapter for my video card, both ethernet cables (yeah, I actually make use of that second enet port going to my Airvana cell phone base station in my house).

I've got an oddball setup, but it works at least, which is more than I can say about this card. /cry
 
I can live with only four or eight ports.
This opens up alternatives in terms of cards, if you decide to go ahead and get a different card (or a replacement for the one you have, though I'm still not certain it's the card that's defective; still acts more like software/drivers in terms of the file size and Finder issues).

For example, you could look at a hybrid card (internal + external ports). Specifically, the ATTO R644.

BTW, as a general rule, I usually recommend getting 4x additional ports than is needed initially, as it's cheaper to add disks than it is to replace them when you need to add capacity (puts you into a sort of tick-tock cycle like Intel uses with their CPU designs). One cycle = add disks, the next you replace them.

One of the key items in my RAID card selection is that it is fanless (that was a HUGE consideration in this purchase, as those postage stamp fans make a ton of noise. I actually removed the two fans from my IcyDock 4 bay hot swap enclosure that sits in my optical bay right now for that very reason (and the fact that SSDs generate almost nil for heat even in a Mac Pro).
It depends on the actual fan used.

For example, those used on Areca RAID cards, aren't loud (they don't run at high rpm), but those used in 4 bay Hot Swap/Hot Plug enclosures (4x 2.5" in a single 5.25" bay), spin like mad, and tend to make enough racket to wake the dead.

Noise takes a back seat to cooling in enterprise grade gear (expectation of equipment located in data center/equipment closet/enclosed rack).

These are the criteria I have for RAID card purchasing:

1) Fanless. Fans drive me batty. I used to have a MDD DP 1.2 GHz FW800 G4. It resides with my cousin about eight miles away. I think I can still hear him use it from here. ;)

2) Capable of JBOD/Passthrough. Necessary for a boot volume to be reliable without the RAID headaches.

3) Bootable (if possible). I'd love booting off a wicked fast drive, but the Intel 80GB with no raid card boots in 7 seconds so not a huge "must have" need

4) Must be x4 or x8 in total accessible link width.

5) Must have internal ports. A single external port would also be nice as I can use an SFF-8088 -> 4x eSATA (expensive) cable for my external enclosures, but the internal ports are a must. I've limited desk space and internal = easy as pie to deal with and no worrying about turning everything on before the computer.
Areca or ATTO have products that meet these.

It's just the issue with the Finder and file size that's dogging you (as I mentioned, this still leaves me with the impression of a software/driver issue, not defective hardware).

Doesn't mean it's not a PITA, or untenable. That's why I suggested the ATTO.

The RocketRAID cards that use the Marvell controllers (6Gbps models) have each Marvell controller internally at x1 link, and on a PCI-E 1.0 slot, that's 250 MB/sec (500 MB/sec on a PCI-E 2.0 slot). That's no better than what I have now so that's the reason I'm avoiding RocketRAID - their Marvell controllers are internally limited to x1 width each, which means that each port (two for each Marvell controller) gets only 125MB/sec on my machine. That and they couldn't be arsed to put in four pathetically easy vendor/subsystem IDs into their .kext so the RR640 would run in a Mac Pro like the 644 does (640 and 644 are identical from a component standpoint, and differ only in form factor and location of ports).
Many of the cheap 6.0Gb/s SATA/eSATA cards use chips like this, due to the need for low cost and the way PCIe lanes are configured (can't do a 2x lane design).

In the case of Highpoint, I don't trust their products, especially their RAID cards. Though on occasion, they will do the job (i.e. need a cheap eSATA/SATA card to add a disk or two).

I was really hoping the Areca card would work. It's one of the very few that has variable upgradeable cache, and from everything I've seen in the reviews, it's pretty much the fastest thing out there for that price range. Unfortunately, OS X can't seem to handle any read operation larger than 65.8 MB, and can't copy ANY file of any size to/from the RAID card mounted disks. In fact it can't even copy between the disks controller solely by the Areca card.
It should though, and others that use them, haven't run into this issue.

This is why I'm thinking the drivers and/or OS installation may be corrupted, and suggested a clean download of the SL drivers with a new, clean copy of the clone.

I did see that it's recent, but something could have gone wrong (corruption, or piece of something that's causing a conflict).

I can't recommend enough, that you give this a try before giving up and returning everything.

I may bite the bullet and try to get a 3.2 GHz SP 2010 Mac Pro. It doesn't have 6Gbps SATA, but it is up to date, and even if it ships with Lion I can just wipe that and use SL instead. Plus I'll get HDMI audio out on the video card, which only the 2010 firmware supports (it's actually hardcoded either in the OS or the card's ROM to only work on that firmware).
This would solve the PCIe lane configuration, and isn't a bad idea anyway (Gen 1.0 slots are ancient now, and it's a problem for you from what I gather).

But a RAID solution would work in this machine, and I expect the current card you're testing.

If you've access to a PC, test the card in that, and see if it still has the file size issue. I think you'd discover it works just fine.

Even testing Windows on your current machine would reveal if it's a software issue rather than card, but if there's an issue with the system's firmware, that would still be present (hence the recommendation to test in a PC for Windows if at all possible).

My fingers are raw from turning screwdrivers and thumbscrews all week.
That happens. Welcome to my world. :eek: :D :p

Finally got the connector loose. Thank god I have jeweler's flatblade screwdrivers handy. That's what it took to get into the connector housing to push down on the SAS latch.
Glad you got it loose without damaging the card.

I'm done with the RAID bit.
I know it's been difficult, but don't give up just yet. The reward really is worth it, and you're learning some valuable information (lot more to learn once you experiment with RAID levels and see how the card will react in a failure condition - simulate by pulling a disk in an active, Normal set for example).

Nanofrog: You've been immensely helpful, and for that I'm very grateful. I'll try to pay it forward with areas where I'm suited to help others.
:cool: NP. :)

I'm dead serious though about the SAS connector design. They could build and design a better latching system than this one, and make it on a connector that isn't so frail.
It's not as frail as you might think (suspect you got a bad one, as QC these days is in the dumpster), and it has to be tight to be sure of good contact (keep in mind, the signal voltages of SATA is 600mV; so things like contact resistance due to a poor connection can cause all kinds of hell). Not so much with SAS, as those signals run at 20V.

I keep a backup of my drives, a backup of that backup, and a 2TB HD to back both of my backups at once (for reversioning/regression testing/recovery)...
Glad you didn't have to learn this the hard way during this endeavor. :)

Unfortunately, it's a common mistake, particularly when RAID is involved. I can't count the number of times I've seen people use RAID with ZERO backup system in place, or post that they've the impression backups are not necessary.

So I respond every time I see such things, in hopes that they don't have to learn by suffering a total disaster first.

I had the same problem with one of my 8087 connectors. I tried my jeweler's screwdrivers, too... but never did get it free. I just left it on there.
Pull the card out if you can, when you attempt to lever it out (get the screwdriver between the shield and the retaining clip, and lift up = pushes the retaining clip down, while lifting <bowing> the shield up simultaneously).

If you don't have a screwdriver thin enough to do this, get one. You should be able to find a cheap set of flat blade screw drivers (or get a single from Sears, if you have one close enough).

Should be able to find what you need for ~$5, so not expensive. You might even spend more in gas than the screwdriver, depending on where you live. :p
 
What I'm likely to do is return the card to Amazon, go with the Newegg card w/o any cables (I already have cables, so that'll save me $100 right there which is what I'm gonna eat for restock fees likely), and try a new card (same model). If it's a failure on that card, then I'll know my system just isn't going to take it (see below for why) and return it and spend the money toward a new Mac Pro and give this one to my grandparents as a games (Scrabble/Solitaire) and web surfing machine. They're currently using a crappy Duron 750 MHz w/ 128 MB RAM on an ECS mobo I built them years ago (swapped the Duron in when the 1.4 GHz Athlon failed).

As to why my system "might not take it", you may or may not have noticed that I did a fresh installation of 10.6.7 directly (CD installer -> combo update without a restart between the install and combo update, which is the preferred way to guarantee a clean OS on reboot). I got through 6.08 GB of a 6.15 GB file on the copy from my HD to one of the SSDs on the Areca card, but then it died and corrupted my destination SSD to the point I had to reformat it (I low leveled/zeroed it at the same time to regain near-factory new performance levels).

I suspect the Areca card may have an incompatibility with the .BO8 ROM. I suppose I could test this by flashing my firmware to the Mac Pro 2,1 firmware with the tool found on netkas.org. I could just put the card in temporarily now that I know how to safely remove the SAS connector from its port (it's a REALLY tight fit and has to be shoved in pretty hard to even connect). I just hope I didn't flatten any pins on the card's connector when I tried pulling out the cable.

Honestly though, I think it's best that I just return this one first. I have a feeling this card was already a return, as the packaging did not have any shrinkwrap around it when I got it, and most packaging of sensitive materials has such (unless it's whitebox/refurbished). The fact it came with three SAS cables instead of any breakout cables is another indication of a possible return/alteration.

So first thing's first, this one goes back and I'll try hitting up Newegg.com for a new one. Hopefully the ones they have in stock are the newer batch that has the unified heatsink - that really did help cool the card a lot even up against my HD bays.

Meh. Gonna sleep first. Dead tired. :)
 
What I'm likely to do is return the card to Amazon, go with the Newegg card w/o any cables (I already have cables, so that'll save me $100 right there which is what I'm gonna eat for restock fees likely), and try a new card (same model). If it's a failure on that card, then I'll know my system just isn't going to take it (see below for why) and return it and spend the money toward a new Mac Pro...
I was getting the impression you may not have been willing to do this, given the dual restocking fees.

But it could well be the model of MP you have.

That's why I was wondering if you could test your existing card in another machine (2008+ MP or PC), as it takes the entire 2006 MP out of the equation.

Doing this could also save you one round of restocking fees (discover the existing card works just fine in another system), so it's worth it. And you should be able to find out what you need in an hour or so using Pass Through mode on each disk = no initialization time involved.

As to why my system "might not take it", you may or may not have noticed that I did a fresh installation of 10.6.7 directly (CD installer -> combo update without a restart between the install and combo update, which is the preferred way to guarantee a clean OS on reboot). I got through 6.08 GB of a 6.15 GB file on the copy from my HD to one of the SSDs on the Areca card, but then it died and corrupted my destination SSD to the point I had to reformat it (I low leveled/zeroed it at the same time to regain near-factory new performance levels).
I wasn't sure when this was done, so I proceeded based on worst case (OS/drivers could have been corrupted). ;)

I suspect the Areca card may have an incompatibility with the .BO8 ROM. I suppose I could test this by flashing my firmware to the Mac Pro 2,1 firmware with the tool found on netkas.org. I could just put the card in temporarily now that I know how to safely remove the SAS connector from its port (it's a REALLY tight fit and has to be shoved in pretty hard to even connect). I just hope I didn't flatten any pins on the card's connector when I tried pulling out the cable.
Quite possible.

But the best way to find out quickly (since you have a limited window of time before you must return the existing card), is to test it in an entirely different machine (PC or 2008+ MP).

Honestly though, I think it's best that I just return this one first. I have a feeling this card was already a return, as the packaging did not have any shrinkwrap around it when I got it, and most packaging of sensitive materials has such (unless it's whitebox/refurbished). The fact it came with three SAS cables instead of any breakout cables is another indication of a possible return/alteration.
None of the Areca's I've ever ordered came in shrink wrapped plastic. But you could tell if the package had been opened, as the sticker covered both the box and cardboard sleeve (you had to cut it along the fold in order to remove the sleeve, and open the box). Cables through the ARC-1680 series were SFF-8087 * 4i SAS/SATA breakouts, but the 1880 series are using SFF-8087 to SFF-8087's from what I'm seeing.

So you may not have gotten an open box. But if there was no sticker, or it was already cut, then you did.

However, if it was an open box when you got it, then that should be grounds for a return without incurring any restocking fees (possible that a 3rd party vendor did pull this stunt on Amazon).

Definitely worth pursuing if it was in fact opened before you got it IMO.

So first thing's first, this one goes back and I'll try hitting up Newegg.com for a new one. Hopefully the ones they have in stock are the newer batch that has the unified heatsink - that really did help cool the card a lot even up against my HD bays.
Try superbiiz.com as they tend to have really good pricing and service in my experiences. Provantage too, but currently, they don't have a listing for the model you're using (they do have both an internal and external 8 port model; ARC-1880X and ARC-1880ixl8 respectively).
 
So you may not have gotten an open box. But if there was no sticker, or it was already cut, then you did.

No sticker covering any of the corners, even on the box inside the slide-off shell. So it very likely was a return that was repackaged by Computer Brain. The serial numbers match on the S/N sticker on the outside of the box, but that's easy enough to fake/put on.

This one's going back. Newegg's ratings feedback for this model (the 12) show at least one Mac Pro user, but like half the people that use Macs, they didn't bother to list their machine identifier. I suspect they were using at least a 3,1 Mac Pro (2008).

I may very well just drop the Areca for now, and get an 09 Mac Pro if I can find one and flash it to the 2010 firmware (for my HDMI audio juiciness). Otherwise I'll get a 2010 Mac Pro and slap Snow Leopard on it since I know those models can run it. I hate Lion with a passion.

If I'm lucky, Amazon won't charge me a restock fee on this, especially once I detail the issues involved with the card.

I really wish they made short extension cables for SFF-8087. That would eliminate any need for an adapter if I wanted to use my internal bays on the card (I'm NOT going through that blasted DIY bay swap mod again to put the connector in reach of the card).

So I have two returns to deal with: The Areca card (easy), and the MaxUpgrades SAS/SATA Link adapter (a bit harder). Oh the joys of being a guinea pig.

Edit: Oh, and my sticker on the box identifies the model number as "ARC-1880DIX-12". Not sure what that extra D is for, but there ya go. This is going back.
 
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No sticker covering any of the corners, even on the box inside the slide-off shell. So it very likely was a return that was repackaged by Computer Brain. The serial numbers match on the S/N sticker on the outside of the box, but that's easy enough to fake/put on.
Sounds like it was an open box, they didn't bother to send it back to Areca's Distribution Center here in the US, and just re-sold it without mention it was previously opened.

That should be grounds for a return without restocking fees, and you'd only be out the return shipping.

Then I'd buy one from another vendor, not through Amazon.

I may very well just drop the Areca for now, and get an 09 Mac Pro if I can find one and flash it to the 2010 firmware (for my HDMI audio juiciness). Otherwise I'll get a 2010 Mac Pro and slap Snow Leopard on it since I know those models can run it. I hate Lion with a passion.
Up to you, but I'm under the impression you still want to use your original storage strategy with the newer machine.

Of course, I understand that it may have to wait in order to cover the cost of the new machine initially, as there may not be sufficient funds to do both simultaneously.

I really wish they made short extension cables for SFF-8087. That would eliminate any need for an adapter if I wanted to use my internal bays on the card (I'm NOT going through that blasted DIY bay swap mod again to put the connector in reach of the card).
MaxUpgrades makes something that will work (MiniSAS to MiniSAS, both Female ends that allow you to connect one end to a break-out cable, and the other to an included SFF-8087 to SFF8087, with the remaining SFF-8087 end to connect to the card). Here's their page.

Please note however, you may not need this with a newer machine (HDD bays need a different kit, as the newer systems no longer use a break-out cable to the HDD bays - uses PCB traces instead). That kit is here.

Edit: Oh, and my sticker on the box identifies the model number as "ARC-1880DIX-12". Not sure what that extra D is for, but there ya go. This is going back.
I don't know for sure, but I suspect its a reference to a change from the original model, such as signifies that the heatsink is the larger one, rather than the pair of small ones.
 
I already have a MaxUpgrades cable (it's a two piece kit: M-M SFF-8087 cable, 0.5m, and a coupler in a machined plastic housing). That adapter is what made the Areca not see any drives - the pins in the housing were flat instead of bent upward and made zero contact with most of the pins on the SAS cable.

That's one of the returns I'm going to be dealing with, which will be a bitch as there is NO customer support other than "sales@maxupgrades.com". And at a total cost of $70 after shipping I'm not going to be pleased if they refuse to RMA me.

What I'm likely to do is just have the internal bays for a bootable OS setup, which doesn't need 6Gbps as I rarely do heavy reads from the OS drive except during bootup and that's all of 7 seconds from a cold boot. I'll use my 4 bay enclosure in the optical bay for four Vertex 3s (once funds permit), and a DX4 attachment for four more Vertex 3s.

Oh, and after all this finagling, my OWC SSD is now somehow only getting 67 MB/sec reads. Remember my Finder crash at 67 MB with the Areca? Yeah...that's some coincidence there. Only I don't believe in coincidences. I get 250 MB/sec reads, but a pitiful 67 MB/sec writes off an SF-1200 SSD.

This just ain't my month.
 
I already have a MaxUpgrades cable (it's a two piece kit: M-M SFF-8087 cable, 0.5m, and a coupler in a machined plastic housing). That adapter is what made the Areca not see any drives - the pins in the housing were flat instead of bent upward and made zero contact with most of the pins on the SAS cable.

That's one of the returns I'm going to be dealing with, which will be a bitch as there is NO customer support other than "sales@maxupgrades.com". And at a total cost of $70 after shipping I'm not going to be pleased if they refuse to RMA me.
I suspect you just got a bad one. But if you get the newer machine (2009 or 2010), you won't need this one again anyway, as there is no break-out cable in it for the HDD bays (backplane connectors = data + power, are soldered directly to the backplane board, and signals routed over PCB traces in 2009/10 systems).

Hence the link for the other kit (many have used it, all successfully from what I recall).

Oh, and after all this finagling, my OWC SSD is now somehow only getting 67 MB/sec reads. Remember my Finder crash at 67 MB with the Areca? Yeah...that's some coincidence there. Only I don't believe in coincidences. I get 250 MB/sec reads, but a pitiful 67 MB/sec writes off an SF-1200 SSD.

This just ain't my month.
Bit confusing here (67MB/s listed twice, once as reads, another as writes). :confused: Not quite sure what's going on.

But you could try zeroing out the drive, and see if that helps, and even re-flash the firmware (may have newer firmware out). Past that, I'd recommend contacting OWC, and see if they'll send you a replacement.
 
Bit confusing here (67MB/s listed twice, once as reads, another as writes). Not quite sure what's going on.

Feh. That's what I get for typing this after having hardly any sleep for three days straight. My reads are fine (225-250 MB/sec, which is what I expect from the SATA2 chipset on the Mac Pros), but the writes are 67 MB/sec exactly. Each jump in the Finder's copy progress bar is exactly 67 MB, at one second intervals.

I've already zeroed the drive three times. Still no go. I did copies from my HD -> OWC, OCZ Summit -> OWC, Intel 80 GB -> OWC, and Vertex 3 -> OWC, each resulting in 67 MB/sec writes. The test file used is the 3.76 GB InstallESD.dmg file inside the Mac OS X Lion installer package (saved so I don't have to re-download that POS installer that Apple just loves to delete when you install Lion), so this is a sequential write operation, not a random one. The OWC SSD should be writing in the 180-200 MB/sec range sequentially on a Mac Pro of any spec (more really, but at least that).

I can't flash the firmware on this as I have no access to a PC here at home that can run any modern OS, and the Mac Pro 1,1 , 2,1 , and 3,1 are all incompatible with OWC's Windows flasher utility, almost certainly because that flasher requires running in AHCI mode, which the first three revisions of Mac Pro do not do in Windows (without serious effort to get it working, which I couldn't get going last night).

Hopefully OWC will replace the drive. Sure would be nice, and hopefully not with a refurb with who knows how many write cycles to it already.
 
nanofrog, need solution for power ssd w/ 1880ix

I have no problems getting my 1880ix 12 (2 SAS x internal, 1 SAS x external) to boot with beta firmware & bootloader from 07/12/2011. I added drivers to LION USB installer i made with Pacifist. Then use external to boot OSX to re-install drivers & refit to EFI after installation.

My system:
- Mac Pro Quad-Core x 2 early 2009
- 8 x SSD mounted internal (4 x optical bay, 4 HD bay's)
- 8 HD in RAID tower external SAS

I need to figure way to get power to 4 in HD bay. I'm using extra SATA
in optical bay to power 4 there. I need way to power 2 molex for Internal mini-SAS to SAS/SATA Highpoint cable. I look for cable that would work with 6 pin on mobo that powers GPU, i'm only using 1 of those with Quadro 4000.

nanofrog it loos like you would be man to ask, please help!!!
 
Eww. Highpoint.

Your best bet is actually to use an SFF-8087 -> 4xSATA fanout cable and get a power splitter (SATA 15pin -> 2 or 3 SATA 15pin) and do that instead. It's a hell of a lot cleaner than going SATA 15pin -> molex into those bulky (and hard to place) SFF-8482 backplanes receptacles.

I would strongly suggest an IcyDock 4 Bay SAS/SATA enclosure to go along with the method I outlined above. It's cleaner, and the chassis of that enclosure acts as a very nice heatsink.

You can remove the fans from the enclosure for silent running operation in a Mac Pro - the chassis of the enclosure will provide the cooling necessary for four SSDs, as they create very little heat.
 
Eww. Highpoint.

Your best bet is actually to use an SFF-8087 -> 4xSATA fanout cable and get a power splitter (SATA 15pin -> 2 or 3 SATA 15pin) and do that instead. It's a hell of a lot cleaner than going SATA 15pin -> molex into those bulky (and hard to place) SFF-8482 backplanes receptacles.

I would strongly suggest an IcyDock 4 Bay SAS/SATA enclosure to go along with the method I outlined above. It's cleaner, and the chassis of that enclosure acts as a very nice heatsink.

You can remove the fans from the enclosure for silent running operation in a Mac Pro - the chassis of the enclosure will provide the cooling necessary for four SSDs, as they create very little heat.

I need internal solution for 4 x main HD bay. I already using optical bay with 4 x ssd. my external mini-SAS is use with 8 Bay RAID HD 3.5" enclosure. I've got it rig with rubber band, i took off notches on both sides eSATA contector and back of SSD applying pressure.
 
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I can't flash the firmware on this as I have no access to a PC here at home that can run any modern OS...
You'll need to bribe a friend to let you run it off of their system (pizza and beer should be more than sufficient ;)).

Eww. Highpoint.
It's just a cable, and they order out of the same factories as anyone else. So not that big a deal.

Their cards OTOH, are another matter... :rolleyes: ;)

I need internal solution for 4 x main HD bay. I already using optical bay with 4 x ssd. my external mini-SAS is use with 8 Bay RAID HD 3.5" enclosure. I've got it rig with rubber band, i took off notches on both sides eSATA connector and back of SSD applying pressure.
You need more than cables, as the original trays are too deep (can't get access to the connectors on the logic board in order to draw power, as well as fit on the separate DATA connectors).

MaxUpgrades makes a kit for precisely this purpose (make sure you get the 4 bay kit for the 2009; includes new trays that add distance between the backplane board and back of drive <makes room to fit the cables to the back of the disk and backplane board>, and all cables for both power and data <data side = SFF-8087 * 4i SATA/SAS break-out cable>).

Not exactly cheap, but it's what you need and it works. Welcome to upgrading a MP for RAID.... :eek: :p

Here's the page for the kit.
 
Re. the MaxUpgrade kit's cabling - the difference is which disks I'd use internally - SAS or SATA?
 
You'll need to bribe a friend to let you run it off of their system (pizza and beer should be more than sufficient ;)).


It's just a cable, and they order out of the same factories as anyone else. So not that big a deal.

Their cards OTOH, are another matter... :rolleyes: ;)


You need more than cables, as the original trays are too deep (can't get access to the connectors on the logic board in order to draw power, as well as fit on the separate DATA connectors).

MaxUpgrades makes a kit for precisely this purpose (make sure you get the 4 bay kit for the 2009; includes new trays that add distance between the backplane board and back of drive <makes room to fit the cables to the back of the disk and backplane board>, and all cables for both power and data <data side = SFF-8087 * 4i SATA/SAS break-out cable>).

Not exactly cheap, but it's what you need and it works. Welcome to upgrading a MP for RAID.... :eek: :p

Here's the page for the kit.

thanks, i already have this. Drive's backplane board in main bay do not use controller. This set up basically bridge for 4 x sata ports from optical bay to controller. i have 8 x SATA 3 6Gbps SSD need to use controller.
 
Re. the MaxUpgrade kit's cabling - the difference is which disks I'd use internally - SAS or SATA?
It won't matter to the kit.

SAS cards can run both SATA and SAS drives, but you do have to pay attention to the cable lengths (SATA has a max specification of 1.0 meters, while SAS has a 10 meter limit).

As per the drives themselves, you'll have to figure that one out based on your specific requirements (just keep in mind, that SAS is more expensive than SATA).

thanks, i already have this. Drive's backplane board in main bay do not use controller. This set up basically bridge for 4 x sata ports from optical bay to controller. i have 8 x SATA 3 6Gbps SSD need to use controller.
OK, so you've 8x disks total, 4x using the MaxUpgrades kit to attach them to the card, and need to get the remaining 4x disks in the empty optical bay (as shipped by Apple) on the card as well.

Is this correct, and you now need power to the 4x disks in the optical bay?

If so, use a Male SATA to Female Molex to get power off of the backplane cable that was originally found in the empty optical bay you're using. Then get splitters for the Molex ends (to produce a total of 4x Molex ends to attach to the Highpoint cable you're trying to use). Here's one that will do, and is actually overkill (7x Female ends for disks)

I wouldn't have used that particular Highpoint cable, as stuffing all of that into the optical bay will be messy, and may not even fit.

I'd have gone with a standard SFF-8087 * 4i breakout cable, the Male SATA to Female Molex (first cable linked), and a Molex to 4 way SATA splitter (assumes you wouldn't make your own cables out of cables you can buy as a means of cleaning things up).
 
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It won't matter to the kit.

SAS cards can run both SATA and SAS drives, but you do have to pay attention to the cable lengths (SATA has a max specification of 1.0 meters, while SAS has a 10 meter limit).

As per the drives themselves, you'll have to figure that one out based on your specific requirements (just keep in mind, that SAS is more expensive than SATA).


.

What I mean is, that on lhe MaxUpgrade page for this kit for 2010 Mac Pro 4 disk version, there are two different products: with miniSAS cavling and with SATA cabling. So that do I have to choose based on which disks (SAS or SATA) will be used internally?
 
OK, so you've 8x disks total, 4x using the MaxUpgrades kit to attach them to the card, and need to get the remaining 4x disks in the empty optical bay (as shipped by Apple) on the card as well.

Is this correct, and you now need power to the 4x disks in the optical bay?

If so, use a Male SATA to Female Molex to get power off of the backplane cable that was originally found in the empty optical bay you're using. Then get splitters for the Molex ends (to produce a total of 4x Molex ends to attach to the Highpoint cable you're trying to use). Here's one that will do, and is actually overkill (7x Female ends for disks)

I wouldn't have used that particular Highpoint cable, as stuffing all of that into the optical bay will be messy, and may not even fit.

I'd have gone with a standard SFF-8087 * 4i breakout cable, the Male SATA to Female Molex (first cable linked), and a Molex to 4 way SATA splitter (assumes you wouldn't make your own cables out of cables you can buy as a means of cleaning things up).

I think i got ever thing i need, i already have it set up the way you describe in optical bay. I was thinking the backpain work differently, i havenb't use it in last 6 months. Didn't even try it with Areca Card. I'm going to test it tonight.

thx for help
 
What I mean is, that on lhe MaxUpgrade page for this kit for 2010 Mac Pro 4 disk version, there are two different products: with miniSAS cavling and with SATA cabling. So that do I have to choose based on which disks (SAS or SATA) will be used internally?
Ah, OK.

In your case, the RAID card uses SFF-8087 ports, so you need the MiniSAS variant.

The SATA variant is just standard SATA cables (1 separate port connector per disk). There are some cards that work this way, including a couple by Areca (example). Not as clean, easy, or stable as MiniSAS/SFF-8087 (particularly with latched SFF-8087 ends).
 
Heh. As I figured I'm getting the runaround with regard to returning the Areca card. This is gonna get nasty soon if I don't get any cooperation from the vendor.
 
Heh. As I figured I'm getting the runaround with regard to returning the Areca card. This is gonna get nasty soon if I don't get any cooperation from the vendor.
From Amazon, or the actual vendor it came from?

Either way isn't good, but if Amazon won't step in to assist you, then it could get really nasty. :(
 
From Amazon, or the actual vendor it came from?

Either way isn't good, but if Amazon won't step in to assist you, then it could get really nasty. :(

Amazon was the POS, Computer Brain was the actual vendor. CB is the one giving me the runaround. Almost like they're trying to force me to wait out any 14/15/30 day return grace period.

I've kept my correspondence and they're dated so Amazon will have a reasonable account of what transpired should things go south.

I knew I should have gotten this from somewhere else instead. Live and learn (and then get Luvs!) [Yes I hate that commercial - sue me].
 
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