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ARM Mac Pro - WWDC 2023
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Would make sense, yeah.
Just as a preview I feel.
Just as a preview I feel.
No clue, but I'm itching to know if it will be expandable, and how.
If it's not at WWDC, we might as well consider the Mac Pro silently cancelled. The thing was supposed to have been announced last year. It is the last Mac that has not been moved over to Intel yet, and a Mac Studio that is a 1/3 of the price is outperforming it in everyway, in such a small form factor no less. The longer we go, the more the Mac Pro becomes redundant.
Honestly they might as well just rebrand the Mac Studio as the Mac Pro, because it's a Mac Pro at this point in everyway except expandability.
Honestly they might as well just rebrand the Mac Studio as the Mac Pro, because it's a Mac Pro at this point in everyway except expandability.
ROTFLMAO ... Just several weeks ago Gurman said the Studio was going to skip M2 and wait for M3 to carve a wide path around the Mac Pro. (they are two different product so that was almost entirely unnecessary ) It is a coin toss. ( The iMac passed its 25 anniversary with almost complete radio silence from Apple for a major milestone. ). He is just doing a sawed offed, shotgun blast at the broad side of a barn at this point.
Just wait and see ... and don't hyperventilate over anything he is saying for next several days.
Assuming for the sake of the argument that Gurman is correct, what new Mac options would make sense? Not MacBook Pro, that just got refreshed. A 15" MacBook Air has been rumoured for a while, so it's a likely candidate. Maybe even with a new M3 chip, although I personally find it less likely. The other Macs in need of the upgrade are the iMacs and the Mac Studio, but they don't need more than a few minutes of the keynote time.
Mac Pro though? That's a coin toss. A Mac Pro with just an M2 Ultra would make no sense for its target users and Apple would literally get booed. If they go Mac Pro, it would likely feature some impressive or at least fancy-looking tech. I really don't know. I suppose it's a 50-50 from me.
Mac Pro though? That's a coin toss. A Mac Pro with just an M2 Ultra would make no sense for its target users and Apple would literally get booed. If they go Mac Pro, it would likely feature some impressive or at least fancy-looking tech. I really don't know. I suppose it's a 50-50 from me.
with few days in advance ...Gurman is always right thanks to his inside sources
So the Mba is for sure...the other one probably like you said...an iMac or the base line Macbook pro, ditching the touchbar but again...these in 5-10minutes should be done....
Probably 30min at bare minimum will be for the headset and its OS
But i do hope Apple will at least present the Mac Pro for fall release
- ASi Mac Pro
- M3 Ultra SoC
- M3 Extreme SoC
- Possible ASi (GP)GPU(s)
- WWDC 2023 preview
- Fall 2023 release
- ???
- ;^p
Well I will say this. If not then they don’t need to bother. Every one will have gone to something else.
My predictions :
1. It will be announced at WWDC
2. It will be released between September and December
3. It will sport an M3-based processor
4. It will steal the current number 1 position hands down in the multi-core Geekbench 6 benchmarks in the page here
5. It will be modular to some degree - you will be able to swap it with newer Apple Silicon SoCs in the future. Of course the entire SoC will have to be swapped, not just the RAM, CPU or GPU.
6. It will support armv9
Will it be an M3-Ultra (which should IMO be named Max Duo) or M3-Something-we've-never-heard-yet (Extreme?) (which should IMO be named Max Quattro), I don't know.
As for the argument of TSMC having a bad output of 3nm tech, it won't matter with the Mac Pro. Apple will not sell billions of Mac Pros, considering the price. So it makes perfect sense to start with this product - especially because the current Mac Pro offer is completely ridiculous price/performance-wise.
1. It will be announced at WWDC
2. It will be released between September and December
3. It will sport an M3-based processor
4. It will steal the current number 1 position hands down in the multi-core Geekbench 6 benchmarks in the page here
5. It will be modular to some degree - you will be able to swap it with newer Apple Silicon SoCs in the future. Of course the entire SoC will have to be swapped, not just the RAM, CPU or GPU.
6. It will support armv9
Will it be an M3-Ultra (which should IMO be named Max Duo) or M3-Something-we've-never-heard-yet (Extreme?) (which should IMO be named Max Quattro), I don't know.
As for the argument of TSMC having a bad output of 3nm tech, it won't matter with the Mac Pro. Apple will not sell billions of Mac Pros, considering the price. So it makes perfect sense to start with this product - especially because the current Mac Pro offer is completely ridiculous price/performance-wise.
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who knows? actually Apple knows but not Gurman ...
looking at the various responses above, we should see next week: MacPro, M3 and then folks are expecting 15" MBA, updated Studio - why is this a developer event?
I seriously doubt we'll see any new HW announcement beyond the goggles, otherwise all the thunder is going to be taken away from the goggles...
looking at the various responses above, we should see next week: MacPro, M3 and then folks are expecting 15" MBA, updated Studio - why is this a developer event?
I seriously doubt we'll see any new HW announcement beyond the goggles, otherwise all the thunder is going to be taken away from the goggles...
You could say similar for their spending a decent chunk of time on the M2 and MacBook Air during last year’s WWDC keynote.
While you might be right anyway, I don’t think Apple’s worried about that.
Could say the same about a 27" or greater iMac. Apple now offers MBA/MBP/Mac Mini/Studio to go with their Apple display. Knock yourself out, you don't need a larger iMac with all those options.
They are a year late. I expect them to announce it but it probably won't be released until September or October.
I think that the wait for 3-nano chips will determine the presentation of the Mac Pro. Apple has bought 90% of what is available. When that chip finishes testing we should see a Pro model. How long? I don't know. In the past Apple was supposed to introduce the Extreme chip. I would assume that it involved 4 Max chips combined. The Mac Pro needs a stand out chip like this to really give a reason for the high price that is expected.
So, for the new Mac Pro, waiting for the 3-nano chips, combining 4 Max chips to give us an Extreme chip would seem workable for the professionals. I don't think that Apple will allow pluggable PCI-E cards and user memory upgrades. So, as Batman says..."get over it". I'm looking forward to seeing this machine by next year. The specs will or should double the numbers for the Mac Studio.
A line has to be drawn above the Studio's Ultra power and we start from there.
So, for the new Mac Pro, waiting for the 3-nano chips, combining 4 Max chips to give us an Extreme chip would seem workable for the professionals. I don't think that Apple will allow pluggable PCI-E cards and user memory upgrades. So, as Batman says..."get over it". I'm looking forward to seeing this machine by next year. The specs will or should double the numbers for the Mac Studio.
A line has to be drawn above the Studio's Ultra power and we start from there.
Cannot say the same about any iMac greater than 27", because there never was an iMac greater than 27"...
3nm went into high-volume production end of 2022, so engineering samples would have been available before that...
Why would Apple not allow PCIe cards...? The PCIe slot is used for more than just GPUs...
The chip went into production that late? That was yesterday. This is why I see next year. That Mac Pro chip (Extreme?) will take awhile to get the thumbs up. As far as the PCI-E cards...now you're asking them to change their chips' architecture.
It's not like Apple had TSMC go into high-volume production and then said "hey, let's test these chips now"; all the testing and whatnot was done with assorted engineering samples months before HVP started...
And what architecture to change for PCIe...? Apple already supports 50+ PCIe cards on Apple silicon, via third-party TB-to-PCIe bridge chassis'...
I get it. I have a Thunderbolt chassis for my NVME Raid set which holds all my movies. That is attached to my Studio. Apple has a "what's the point" attitude with all the connections it supports. What's the point of allowing PCI-E storage when you can daisy chain Thunderbolt. When they decide to allow an external enclosure with a graphics card that will probably be the way to go. And also, given the Studio supports 6 Thunderbolt ports...the Mac Pro will probably double that with an Extreme card. I really don't think Apple is open to fiddling with its machines. Look how locked down silicon is. I think they would rather give us a **** load of GPU cores to compete with external cards.
GPUs, NVMe RAID, 8K video I/O; all these want more bandwidth than TB4 can provide...?
M1 Ultra Mac Studio could theoretically support eight TB ports, Apple just has six enabled...?
RE: GPUs... Apple does not seem to want to (re)introduce third-party (AMD/Intel/Nvidia) GPUs; they need to really boost the "iGPU" in the assorted SoCs, and if they would introduce an ASi (GP)GPU, that would be great...
I want to see a Mac Pro (Cube) with:
- 64-core CPU
- 768-core GPU
- 256-core Neural Engine
- 2TB ECC LPDDR5X RAM
- 32TB SSD
Why would they need to change the chip architecture? All Apple Silicon chips come with PCIe 4 out of the box. The MP just needs more of them.
Current Mac Pro allows internal storage expansion with MPX RAID modules. I see no reason to assume the upcoming Mac Pro wouldn’t have the same capability.
GPU expansion is a completely different problem from storage expansion.