ARM mac turning into iOS?

[UBS28]

On PC, so many people run mobile apps on their PC that some developers decide to release their mobile apps on PC now.

On Mac, Apple doesn’t give you the freedom to run all mobile apps.

Is this the future of Mac, with Apple acting as a Gatekeeper?

 

[jav6454]

You can download apps without the Mac AppStore unto a Mac. I have done so with several apps like Coconut battery. This thread is just troll-baiting.

 

[Funny Apple Man]

Apple is not gatekeeping, the iOS devs were given a choice and most decided to opt out from letting their apps run on M1 Macs.

 

[UBS28]

You can download apps without the Mac AppStore unto a Mac. I have done so with several apps like Coconut battery. This thread is just troll-baiting.

How you get access to all mobile apps on M1 Mac?

If it involves disabling some stuff on your Mac and downloading the files from the community, that is not a good option. I have seen that method and that is a big security risk.

 

[leman]

How you get access to all mobile apps on M1 Mac?

You don’t.

What are you ranting about anyway? Macs turning into iOS because you can’t run iOS apps in them? Like… what?

Also, you might want to look up the definition of “gatekeeping” in a dictionary or something. If I dint serve steak at my pizza joint I’m not gatekeeping. I just don’t serve steak. Not to mention that the decision of whether an iOS app runs on a Mac is made by the developer, not Apple.

 

[UBS28]

You don’t.

What are you ranting about anyway? Macs turning into iOS because you can’t run iOS apps in them? Like… what?

Also, you might want to look up the definition of “gatekeeping” in a dictionary or something. If I dint serve steak at my pizza joint I’m not gatekeeping. I just don’t serve steak. Not to mention that the decision of whether an iOS app runs on a Mac is made by the developer, not Apple.

I can’t run the iOS apps that I want to run, a feature that Apple was promoting with the M1 Mac’s.

Apple likes to hide behind “it’s the developers choice”, but it is non-sense. Apple simply could have made all iOS that we paid for also available for Mac.

I can decide for myself if a mobile app is of sufficient quality to run on a Mac.

People on PC also make the decision for themselves if a mobile app is good enough to run on their PC.

 

[T'hain Esh Kelch]

So because you say so, Apple should just steal software from developers?

WTF, Gatekeeping and macOS turning into iOS?

 

[Leon1das]

There is another angle of people who just like Macs and MacOS for what they are. Clean, fast and productive.

If you need to copy your phone app to Mac - consider Android phones.. they are "unlocked" as M1 Macs are (bootloader and system partition locked, but user partition is free to any app you install), they have USB-C, and their apps/games can be sideloaded to M1 Macs via emulators...

So you DO have alternatives... or you can also mirror your iPhone screen to Mac.

 

[Boil]

I can’t run the iOS apps that I want to run, a feature that Apple was promoting with the M1 Mac’s.

Apple likes to hide behind “it’s the developers choice”, but it is non-sense. Apple simply could have made all iOS that we paid for also available for Mac.

I can decide for myself if a mobile app is of sufficient quality to run on a Mac.

People on PC also make the decision for themselves if a mobile app is good enough to run on their PC.

But it IS up to the developer to decide whether or not they want to offer their iOS/iPadOS apps on macOS as well, not Apple...

 

[porte9]

Allowing your iOS app to run on Mac means that you risk getting support requests and 1 stars from Mac users when your app doesn't work well with a keyboard and mouse.

 

[gimmesomemo]

I can’t run the iOS apps that I want to run, a feature that Apple was promoting with the M1 Mac’s.

Apple likes to hide behind “it’s the developers choice”, but it is non-sense. Apple simply could have made all iOS that we paid for also available for Mac.

I can decide for myself if a mobile app is of sufficient quality to run on a Mac.

People on PC also make the decision for themselves if a mobile app is good enough to run on their PC.

When it was possible to download any iOS app - they were mostly really bad - not optimised for Mac. Impossible to click or scroll certain things.
While it is completely possible to run any swiftUI app on iPhone and Mac - you need to spend a lot of time optimising and creating different views for each if you want the experience to be acceptable. That's why most developers won't ship it to run on M1 Mac, unless they either don't care about the experience or have put the time in to make it work.

It's definitely not Apple hiding behind anything - code isn't magic - if you want it to work it has to be written to work.

 

[Bug-Creator]

So because you say so, Apple should just steal software from developers?

Let the battle of the extremely bad takes commence!!!

 

[Makosuke]

But it IS up to the developer to decide whether or not they want to offer their iOS/iPadOS apps on macOS as well, not Apple...

This.

There are a vast number of iOS and iPadOS apps in the Mac app store that you can download and run just fine on an Apple Silicon Mac. Some just run as-is, some have developer adjustments to make them work better with a mouse and keyboard.

But app developers do have the option to opt-out of their apps appearing on the Mac app store. It's their choice, not Apple's.

In Apple's own words to developers on the page linked above, there are a number of reasons they might opt-out: The app needs hardware that doesn't exist on a Mac (magnetometer, GPS, LIDAR), it uses software frameworks (like ARKit) that don't exist on macOS, it doesn't function without a touchscreen, you already have a Mac-specific version, or you just don't want to let people poke and prod the app package.

Apple actively encourages devs to make their iOS apps work well on a Mac, but in the end it's up to developers.

 

[Sn0wLe0pard]

You can download apps without the Mac AppStore unto a Mac. I have done so with several apps like Coconut battery. This thread is just troll-baiting.

You can still do it. Still. He talks about the trend, about where everything is going.

 

[Freeangel1]

Just buy a Lenovo or Dell Laptop with Windows 11 and an Android phone

Enjoy both worlds

I always use both.

Apple could stop producing Macs at any time. Then there goes your Apple world.

Lots of manufactures support Windows and Android. So chances of that coming to an end are slim. Tons of Techs would lose their jobs.

 

[leman]

You can still do it. Still. He talks about the trend, about where everything is going.

He talks about not being able to run any iOS app he wants, no matter whether the original developer approved of the idea.

And regarding trends... folks started predicting "the lockdown" and "iOSification" of the Mac somewhere around 2010. Twelve years and a major hardware transition later, and we are still not any closer to being locked down. This "where everything is going" got old years ago.

 

[exoticSpice]

Apple could stop producing Macs at any time. Then there goes your Apple world.

Why would Apple stop producing Macs. All Apple dev work for Apple Watch, iPhone, iPad is done on Macs by developers and by Apple themselves.

 

[Love-hate 🍏 relationship]

apple would rather you get nothing than a half baked product.

this philosophy has its pros and cons .

for example ipads don't have -or at least haven't had - calculator app for a long time

now ,allowing any iOS app to work on a Mac would 100% lead to some disgusting **** , visually and practically.apple thus deemed good to let the développer manually allow it...or not

mind you ,I'm against that philosophy ,I'd rather a half baked but necessary working product than none

 

[PsykX]

On Mac, Apple doesn’t give you the freedom to run all mobile apps.

As a developer, this is not true.

Apple gives developers the freedom to opt out from the Mac App Store if you make an iOS app. So, it's on the store by default.

Why would a dev do that ? Well, the experience can really be subpar in macOS because of two reasons :
1. The way you interact with iOS (touch) vs macOS (keyboard and mouse)
2. The design of iOS apps vs macOS apps can really create a "break" when you're in front of macOS and you suddenly open an iOS app that wasn't thought for macOS.

 

[yabeweb]

I can’t run the iOS apps that I want to run, a feature that Apple was promoting with the M1 Mac’s.

They promoted it is possible, and it is!

Apple likes to hide behind “it’s the developers choice”

But it is, it's their (Developers) software, they are allowed to decide what to support.

Apple simply could have made all iOS that we paid for also available for Mac.

You bought an iOS version not a Mac version.

I can decide for myself if a mobile app is of sufficient quality to run on a Mac.

Yes you can decide that, what you can't decide is what developer support or don't, so ask developer of the app you want to make it compatible and hear their reply.

People on PC also make the decision for themselves if a mobile app is good enough to run on their PC.

Too bad we are on a Mac right?

Why would Apple stop producing Macs. All Apple dev work for Apple Watch, iPhone, iPad is done on Macs by developers and by Apple themselves.

While it's true now, there's no reason they might not do the same on an iPad hence not requiring a Mac at all if they wanted to.
Will they? maybe not, could they? Yes

 

[MayaUser]

ARM mac turning into iOS?​

or the ipad is turning into macOS?
some people is seeing your way others the other way around...
so..?! ) for now you are chasing the OS , i choose to have them both

 

[Macative]

How you get access to all mobile apps on M1 Mac?

If it involves disabling some stuff on your Mac and downloading the files from the community, that is not a good option. I have seen that method and that is a big security risk.

You have no idea what you're talking about. Quit while you're behind.

 

[jonblatho]

As a developer, this is not true.

Apple gives developers the freedom to opt out from the Mac App Store if you make an iOS app. So, it's on the store by default.

Why would a dev do that ? Well, the experience can really be subpar in macOS because of two reasons :
1. The way you interact with iOS (touch) vs macOS (keyboard and mouse)
2. The design of iOS apps vs macOS apps can really create a "break" when you're in front of macOS and you suddenly open an iOS app that wasn't thought for macOS.

Some iOS apps will lose substantial functionality — and therefore just not be viable apps — when run on macOS, too. Good luck running an ARKit-heavy iOS app on macOS, for example

And of course, some developers don't have an Apple silicon-based Mac laying around so that they can assist users on those devices who run into problems, develop Mac-specific UI tweaks or bug fixes, etc.

Apple simply could have made all iOS that we paid for also available for Mac.

You paid for an iOS app that will continue to run on iOS as it always has. A developer willing to support their app on Apple silicon-based Macs is a bonus. If you're concerned about new iOS app purchases being able to run on macOS, you can verify compatibility in the app page's compatibility section, where it specifies the devices and OS versions it can run on.

If you bought an Apple silicon-based Mac without verifying that your software's compatibility lined up with your expectations, that is completely on you.

 

[MacHiavelli]

‘Code one, code all’ mailers. More or ALL apps to be available on all platforms with no opt-out for developers?

 

[MayaUser]

Apple likes to hide behind “it’s the developers choice”, but it is non-sense. Apple simply could have made all iOS that we paid for also available for Mac.

stop it...dont you see everyone makes fun of you?
you payed for an app that runs on a platform...until now when you paid for an windows 10 app you cried why the developer doesnt make it for all platforms?? linux, windows, mac, ios, ipados, android? because hey, i paid for it ))))
again its not apples fault, this time...Apple provided the architecture, so the app developers must turn the switch, not apple because they dont have the rights to do so, legally. Of course we all want to have all our apps cross platforms, even i am willing to pay for it twice just to have it on my mac and ipados, but not all developers wants that
Ive seen you around forums with all of these topics and replies...how old are you? do you even know how the laws work at 101 level at least?