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I've only seen the 3D version of the film, and if i am being perfectly honest I'm not sure at this given stage if what impressed me was 'the film', 'the 3D' or both ? and therefore I am reserving full judgment until the BluRay comes out and I can soak in the HD experience in my own home.

At this current stage I'm not sure it's a 'classic' in the sense of The Abyss or Aliens or Terminator 2, but it was very good.
 
I've only seen the 3D version of the film, and if i am being perfectly honest I'm not sure at this given stage if what impressed me was 'the film', 'the 3D' or both ? and therefore I am reserving full judgment until the BluRay comes out and I can soak in the HD experience in my own home.

At this current stage I'm not sure it's a 'classic' in the sense of The Abyss or Aliens or Terminator 2, but it was very good.

LOL. This is pretty much how I felt and exactly what I was planning on doing. Well, except not at your home. :D

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I have my gripes about this flick, but that's not to say I didn't really enjoy this movie and I also thought that overall is was very good.

The 3D screen I saw this on wasn't an iMax -- which I thought I was buying a ticket to see it on -- and it wasn't even the largest screen available at the Spectrum theater near me, so it detracted from my experience of this movie. Mainly because when it was dark, the 3D became somewhat fuzzy for my eyes.
 
I feel sad for nerds who cannot enjoy this landmark film because of something they read on the internet. It seems like everyone is stuck on 'Unobtanium' and the originality of the story. You know, all the stories you have ever heard are variations of a few other stories; it is how a story gets told that makes it impressive or not and how the story in Avatar is told is worth the price of a movie ticket and three hours of your lives. This is not gimmicky 3D; it is the film that is making 3D cinema mainstream. Stop trying to look smart by pooping on an epic movie that most reviewers and cinema audiences are raving about and just go enjoy yourselves.

I really did enjoy the film - but the only thing 'landmark' about it is a technical presentation that will become dated very quickly. That is my only point - not that the film isn't enjoyable as a stunning spectacle of visual eye-candy, just that when the novelty of that is stripped away, all that will be left is a derivative action romp.

Which is why I say to go see it now - because it *is* very enjoyable, but best enjoyed with your eyes open and brain disengaged.

And sorry, but it is really hard to pretend that Unobtanium isn't the new 'flux capacitor' ... :)
 
Avatar movie is great, although the game is not so interesting.

Actually the movie is so good that everyone has expected same from its game too and which doesn't fit into criteria of all.
 
i saw avatar on imax 3d. i thought it was "okay". everything fit well together, but was so mind-numbingly linear. i heard that the graphics were incredible, but it was pretty much what i expected of imax. the story was a rehash of colonialism and a copy of dances with wolves.

guess i went in with my expectations set too high
 
I just watched District 9 and I have to say the Mech in District 9 puts the Avatar Mechs to shame. :cool:

District 9 is probably the most miserable modern science fiction movie made so far. Everything in it was ugly, the story did not have one likable character and the documentary style was pretentious to say the least. It just goes to show how originality is not necessarily a good thing in mass-market entertainment like big-budget science fiction films.

As for Avatar, when the Colonel jumped out of his exploding aircraft in a mech-suit near the end of the film, I for one had a grin on my face. Anyone familiar with the ending in Aliens would know at that moment how badass the fight scene that follows would be.
 
...it is really hard to pretend that Unobtanium isn't the new 'flux capacitor' ... :)

"Flux capacitor?" You have no idea how glad I am to not know what you are talking about.

As for Avatar being brainless entertainment, I think you underestimate James Cameron's filmmaking skills. Behind the spectacular visuals you will find an expert story teller who knows how to build anticipation, mislead and surprise his audience. For example look at how the avatars are first introduced in the film; in the lab we first see Norm's (young bookish scientist) easily identifiable avatar and then we see Jake's more impressive avatar. A lesser filmmaker would not divert our attention with Norm's avatar first but Cameron knows how to build anticipation and make the main character seem impressive in comparison to another (this alpha-male perspective of Jake is later reflected in Norm's jealousy towards him). The point I am trying to make is that from a filmmaker's point of view James Cameron's Avatar is not as brainless as it might seem on the surface and the deeper you look into it the more you will appreciate it.
 
"Flux capacitor?" You have no idea how glad I am to not know what you are talking about.

As for Avatar being brainless entertainment, I think you underestimate James Cameron's filmmaking skills. Behind the spectacular visuals you will find an expert story teller who knows how to build anticipation, mislead and surprise his audience. For example look at how the avatars are first introduced in the film; in the lab we first see Norm's (young bookish scientist) easily identifiable avatar and then we see Jake's more impressive avatar. A lesser filmmaker would not divert our attention with Norm's avatar first but Cameron knows how to build anticipation and make the main character seem impressive in comparison to another (this alpha-male perspective of Jake is later reflected in Norm's jealousy towards him). The point I am trying to make is that from a filmmaker's point of view James Cameron's Avatar is not as brainless as it might seem on the surface and the deeper you look into it the more you will appreciate it.

haha you almost got me. i was about to write up a point for point rebuttal to your post when i realized it was sarcasm :p
 
District 9 is probably the most miserable modern science fiction movie made so far. Everything in it was ugly, the story did not have one likable character and the documentary style was pretentious to say the least. It just goes to show how originality is not necessarily a good thing in mass-market entertainment like big-budget science fiction films.

As for Avatar, when the Colonel jumped out of his exploding aircraft in a mech-suit near the end of the film, I for one had a grin on my face. Anyone familiar with the ending in Aliens would know at that moment how badass the fight scene that follows would be.

I was comparing the animation of the two mechs and District 9s is superior, imo. :) Definitely not Star Trek pretty. It was mostly ugly because the aliens were living in a shack slum?

I am not a fan of documentary or home movie style of film making (such as Blair Witch or Cloverfield). In fact I groaned when I discovered Cloverfield was executed as a home movie documentary. Otherwise I liked it. Therefore I was very happy when the District 9 story slid into cinematic mode.
 
PC Gamer Rating: 42%

"It's took James Cameron 10 years after Titanic to make Avatar- couldn't Ubisoft have spent a little more time on the tie-in prequel game?"

"A remarkable poor attempt at an open-world action game, clumsily realized in pretty much every possible way besides graphics."

"This sagging cloud of awfulness fails to present a single coherent idea."
 
District 9 is probably the most miserable modern science fiction movie made so far. Everything in it was ugly, the story did not have one likable character and the documentary style was pretentious to say the least. It just goes to show how originality is not necessarily a good thing in mass-market entertainment like big-budget science fiction films.

As for Avatar, when the Colonel jumped out of his exploding aircraft in a mech-suit near the end of the film, I for one had a grin on my face. Anyone familiar with the ending in Aliens would know at that moment how badass the fight scene that follows would be.

Respectfully, cant agree about District 9 or Avatar.

Behind the scenes, there is nothing special I found about Avatar. The storytelling is cringe worthy, the characters shallow as a pothole, and if you can look past the awesome visual fest that I will wholeheartedly agree with, the movie offers very little in terms of cranium exercise.

You are never left in doubt about what is going to happen and the 'build up' is at times so in your face I was surprised Cam didnt jump on the screen and yell 'DO YOU SEE WHATS GOING TO HAPPEN?!!' :p

But I definitely found the characters' purely clinched traits the worst. You have your bad guy, no he's definitely the bad guy....no, no, he's not going to change, he IS the bad guy. See that? He did something bad. I can understand having antagonists but come on...

District 9, I found on the other hand, to be surprisingly moving. Going in, I was expecting an action fest of Alien V Human, a struggle over common ground. Which, in a way, did happen. But what was really surprised me was the emotion of which this story is told. How the main character of Wikus is presented is very refreshing. Your not meant to like him, you groan at his obvious flaws, and it makes you uncomfortable thinking about the repercussions his actions have on the likable Johnson, and not only that, but it cast doubt on your mind as to how it will all turn out. It is rare that the 'outsider' is presenter as the noble one, with ourselves the petty, self driven narrow minded specimen.

The journey that you are taken on with Wikus is the highlight of this movie (ok ok, the battle suit scene is up there but I digress) As he starts out from a self centered human, to manipulating the very beings he brutalized for his own gain (Johnson) The scene where Wikus smacks him over the head with the bar to take the ship makes you want to scream in rage and frustration.

Yet he does redeem himself. But rather then follow the tried and tested script of rewarding the 'angel' you are left to make up your own mind as to what his faith is, either to suffer in his current state, or to be rescued by the very people he used. The final scene of him leaving the metal flower outside his finance's house, who is one of the main reason for his entire motivation, is very poignant.

Yes, it is ugly, yes it is brutal, but it takes you out of your zone, and sets you in a very realistic environment that probably exists right now, very odd for a sci-fi movie.
 
You have your bad guy, no he's definitely the bad guy....no, no, he's not going to change, he IS the bad guy. See that? He did something bad. I can understand having antagonists but come on...

Not so different from the bad guy in District 9 then.

I know what you mean about District 9 making the viewer emotionally invested in the fate of the main character and it does leave a lasting impression in a similar way to a film like The Piano. I just don't think it is a movie that people can enjoy as much as Avatar due to it being uncomfortably closer to reality (in style and setting) and a lot less entertaining in tone (because it is so heavy and serious all the way through). Personally would watch a movie like District 9 once and enjoy it but never again. Avatar on the other hand is simply fun to re-watch, like most James Cameron movies.
 
District 9 is probably the most miserable modern science fiction movie made so far. Everything in it was ugly, the story did not have one likable character and the documentary style was pretentious to say the least. It just goes to show how originality is not necessarily a good thing in mass-market entertainment like big-budget science fiction films.

Not sure that I'd call it miserable, I rather enjoyed it. And I'm not sure where you're deriving the fact that District 9 had originality (unique nonetheless), but not original per-say. Neill Blomkamp bought the rights to the ever-fabled Halo movie, paying Peter Jackson $30 million for the failed idea that never came to fruition from that concept of a Halo 'movie.'
 
Not sure that I'd call it miserable, I rather enjoyed it. And I'm not sure where you're deriving the fact that District 9 had originality (unique nonetheless), but not original per-say. Neill Blomkamp bought the rights to the ever-fabled Halo movie, paying Peter Jackson $30 million for the failed idea that never came to fruition from that concept of a Halo 'movie.'

You have to admit the idea of a documentary-style movie set in and around a refugee camp for aliens is somewhat original. You could say this was a science fiction film re-telling of Franz Kafka's 'Metamorphosis' but it was a unique mix of influences and relatively (to other sci-fi films) original.
 
if you take a step back, district 9 and avatar have a pretty similar plots. they're both human-ethnocentric explorations into an alien culture, with the protagonists going native. though district 9 deals with an individual being outcast from human society and avatar is a spiel on colonialism (small scale vs large scale).

the thing that made district 9 so good was the grittiness and details. the aliens had the pejorative nickname "prawn", prawn eggs were casually aborted, and prawns were butchered by the nigerians for their superstitions. AWESOME. these things just felt so real and interesting

avatar on the other hand introduced a new ecosystem with its creatures and environment. they really didn't focus on too many cultural nuances. basically they ripped off dances with wolves for a well crafted but boring production. i would have liked to see humans call the na'vi smurfs or something. the na'vi were just very stereotypical and primitive native americans without any personality at all

avatar was ok. the technical aspects were amazing, but the storyline was bland. district 9 ROCKED
 
Warning: Spoiler in this post.

Respectfully, cant agree about District 9 or Avatar.

Behind the scenes, there is nothing special I found about Avatar. The storytelling is cringe worthy, the characters shallow as a pothole, and if you can look past the awesome visual fest that I will wholeheartedly agree with, the movie offers very little in terms of cranium exercise.

You are never left in doubt about what is going to happen

Because of the stupid trailers flying around, I knew there was going to be conflict. For me that was a giant spoiler. If not for the trailer, I can't say I knew from the start there was going to be a war.

This critique of shallow characters- why are they more shallow in this story than any action flick? Lets pick any of Cameron's movies- Abyss, Terminator, Aliens2. You observe a group of people acting and reacting to a set of events. Admittedly the story did not have a lot of depth, but how much depth does this kind of a story need? In general, what is the focus of action films, in depth character studies or outstanding action surrounding some kind of conflict? What it could have used was intrigue, twists in the story and basically there were none.

As far as you knew the bad guy was the bad guy, I consider the Colonel as someone who has staked out his moral position and was too set in his ways to change his views. He is focused on the objective, his job being to clear the way so mining could continue uninterrupted. As to the determent to the story telling, I don't consider this a detractor. But in the intrigue category, maybe a reason for him to change his mind would have been better. ;)

The journey that you are taken on with Wikus is the highlight of this movie (ok ok, the battle suit scene is up there but I digress) As he starts out from a self centered human, to manipulating the very beings he brutalized for his own gain (Johnson) The scene where Wikus smacks him over the head with the bar to take the ship makes you want to scream in rage and frustration.

Yet he does redeem himself.

I never really felt Wikus redeemed himself spoiler>but he became resigned to his fate.<spoiler Most of his motivations seemed to be based on his survival. I need to see this film again so I can think about it. This movie edges Avatar out when it comes to story, but here again, it's a set of events- Wikus is in charge of clearing out the alien getto, spoiler>he gets infected and starts changing and tries to save himself.<spoiler The action takes precedence over character development imo.

if you take a step back, district 9 and avatar have a pretty similar plots. they're both human-ethnocentric explorations into an alien culture, with the protagonists going native. though district 9 deals with an individual being outcast from human society and avatar is a spiel on colonialism (small scale vs large scale).

the thing that made district 9 so good was the grittiness and details. the aliens had the pejorative nickname "prawn", prawn eggs were casually aborted, and prawns were butchered by the nigerians for their superstitions. AWESOME. these things just felt so real and interesting

avatar on the other hand introduced a new ecosystem with its creatures and environment. they really didn't focus on too many cultural nuances. basically they ripped off dances with wolves for a well crafted but boring production. i would have liked to see humans call the na'vi smurfs or something. the na'vi were just very stereotypical and primitive native americans without any personality at all

avatar was ok. the technical aspects were amazing, but the storyline was bland. district 9 ROCKED

Mosty I agree with you, but I was never bored with Avatar. It met my standards for an action movie, wowed me with technical detail, visual beauty, stunning cinematography, and the story moved right along with solid action. If anything, the story came up short on intrigue, there was'nt any. No surprises (in the story).
 
Yes he does, but how big is the movie really going to be? My thoughts are based on pure speculation of course, but I have a friend who works for one of the largest movie theaters in the Dallas area and they sold all of 15 tickets to the midnight showing Wednesday night. Of course many will argue that it was because it's in the middle of the week, but truth-be-told movies are generally only released midweek instead of on Fridays when they think they need a couple extra days to make enough money to sound successful.

From what I heard, this movie had a budget of approximately $500 million, give or take a little. I seriously doubt it will make close to that much back, no matter how successful Titanic was.

Nice call! :D
 
I have seen this movie 6 times and plan to see it 4 more times. It is absolutely amazing. Just running out of friends to take with me. :p
 
I have seen this movie 6 times and plan to see it 4 more times. It is absolutely amazing. Just running out of friends to take with me. :p

Gee, I've only seen it twice. First time in 2D, then I had to see it out at the iMax. iMax was outstanding.

From what I've read the game is not worthy of the Mac. ;)
 
Gee, I've only seen it twice. First time in 2D, then I had to see it out at the iMax. iMax was outstanding.

From what I've read the game is not worthy of the Mac. ;)

I've only played the Wii version, and while I have been critical of the trite/derivative/shallow/stolen plot ... I have to agree that the game makes the movie look like genius ...
 
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