Back to the OPO, maybe keeping Nexus 6

[Tig Bitties]

Hands down the best theme for the Nexus 6, and with the newest 3.0 update today, this thing is just amazing. Makes the Nexus 6 ten times cooler

TimberWolf - Layers Theme
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=bitsykolayers.TimberWolfFree&hl=en

This is a work of art, just beautiful. Not cheesy or silly looking, but very classy and done with perfection.

 

[Lloydbm41]

I have to admit, I am still liking my OnePlus One a ton.

This past year, these are the smartphones I have owned, in order;

- Galaxy S4
- HTC One M8
- OnePlus One
- iPhone 6 Plus
- Nexus 6
- OnePlus One again

- Nexus 6 = Wow, I mean wow. HUGE phone, but what a beast of a device. Great AMOLED display, warp speed fast. The ROM development is bar none amazing. But it is a large smartphone, border line ridiculous, I mean it's very wide, thick, and heavy. Just a beast. And the battery life is average, not bad with 5.1.1 but nowhere near the OnePlus One or iPhone 6 Plus battery. But the Nexus 6 is a very nice smartphone mini computer device.

How did you get Android 5.1.1? There isn't even a factory image available for any Nexus LTE device with this build to even create a ROM from. Did you mean 5.1.0?

 

[Tig Bitties]

How did you get Android 5.1.1? There isn't even a factory image available for any Nexus LTE device with this build to even create a ROM from. Did you mean 5.1.0?

I am running ASOiP which is based off Android 5.1.1

 

[Lloydbm41]

I am running ASOiP which is based off Android 5.1.1

Those are modified Nexus 7 (WiFi only, no LTE) ROM's with modified kernel's (or you are using another kernel). I wouldn't base battery life on a modified ROM taken from a WiFi build. It isn't really fair to say you are running 5.1.1, because it is a hacked build by some guy living in his mom's basement.

For all we know, the actual factory image for the Nexus 6 from Google could vastly improve everything. But we won't know until it actually arrives.

 

[Stooby Mcdoobie]

How did you get Android 5.1.1? There isn't even a factory image available for any Nexus LTE device with this build to even create a ROM from. Did you mean 5.1.0?

That's not how it works; AOSP ROMs aren't built from factory images. AOSP is always ahead of the "official" builds and has commits that haven't been pushed to OEM ROMs (Nexus images included) yet.

Give this a look.

https://source.android.com/source/code-lines.html

 

[Lloydbm41]

That's not how it works; AOSP ROMs aren't built from factory images. AOSP is always ahead of the "official" builds and has commits that haven't been pushed to OEM ROMs (Nexus images included) yet.

Give this a look.

https://source.android.com/source/code-lines.html

again, let me reiterate, there is no build for LTE variants of any Nexus device. It is a hacked build. And it isn't really fair to base battery life on a hacked build. (That was my point.)

P.S. Do you have a repo with a completed build from Google for the Nexus 6? Link?

 

[Stooby Mcdoobie]

again, let me reiterate, there is no build for LTE variants of any Nexus device. It is a hacked build. And it isn't really fair to base battery life on a hacked build. (That was my point.)

It's not a hacked build... 5.1.1_r1 was released to AOSP a few weeks ago.

P.S. Do you have a repo with a completed build from Google for the Nexus 6? Link?

That table is official Nexus images and completely indepent from AOSP.

 

[gotluck]

So in the case of this 5.1.1 build, are they using hardware drivers from the latest official 5.1 build? I can't imagine aosp covers them.

 

[Lloydbm41]

It's not a hacked build... 5.1.1_r1 was released to AOSP a few weeks ago.



That table is official Nexus images and completely indepent from AOSP.

If Google has not released code specific for the Nexus 6 (even if it was released for the AOSP alliance), it is still a hack job.

You do realize that AOSP doesn't have the proprietary binary code or drivers? And considering this is the only Motorola built Nexus device, which code did the ROM use? Binaries for the touch screen and sensors are Motorola proprietary as far as I know??? And there is no 5.1.1 build for the Moto X to pull from either.

And yes, we are getting way into the weeds here.

 

[Stooby Mcdoobie]

If Google has not released code specific for the Nexus 6 (even if it was released for the AOSP alliance), it is still a hack job.

I think the issue I'm having is with your use of the word "hack" - these ROMs are not using drivers or code that has been piecemealed together from other devices - they're built directly from the source (same source Google uses to build the Nexus images) to run on the Nexus 6.

You do realize that AOSP doesn't have the proprietary binary code or drivers? And considering this is the only Motorola built Nexus device, which code did the ROM use? Binaries for the touch screen and sensors are Motorola proprietary as far as I know??? And there is no 5.1.1 build for the Moto X to pull from either.

Not sure why that was brought up. The binaries for the drivers have never been packaged with AOSP ROMs, for the same reason Google's apps aren't. Since the binaries are often just renamed with each release (not always updated with new versions), newer builds of Android can usually run without needing to update them. Hell, my device must still be on the 5.0 modem/radio as I haven't flashed a system image or taken an OTA from Google since owning the device.

And yes, we are getting way into the weeds here.

Haha, we are indeed.

 

[Lloydbm41]

I think the issue I'm having is with your use of the word "hack" - these ROMs are not using drivers or code that has been piecemealed together from other devices - they're built directly from the source (same source Google uses to build the Nexus images) to run on the Nexus 6.

Not sure why that was brought up. The binaries for the drivers have never been packaged with AOSP ROMs, for the same reason Google's apps aren't. Since the binaries are often just renamed with each release (not always updated with new versions), newer builds of Android can usually run without needing to update them. Hell, my device must still be on the 5.0 modem/radio as I haven't flashed a system image or taken an OTA from Google since owning the device.

I only brought this point up because this particular Nexus device was built by Motorola. It has unique and proprietary drivers and binaries, which hasn't been released (that I know of). So, there is no previous OS updates to pull code from prior to 5.0.x. And this is why I pointed out that it isn't really fair to say you are on 5.1.1, nor fair to judge battery life on a 'piecemeal' ROM.

Terminology may be an issue in our posts. In my view, if you are pulling a kernel from one place, binaries and drivers from another and then a ROM from yet another place to combine them all, it is a hackjob or piecemealed together. Even a ROM that is built on the newest AOSP release code, that then uses old binaries and a kernel from a previous build (because that code hasn't been released yet), even if it is specific to a particular phone/tablet, is still a hackjob IMO. I say this because code gets updated for the modem/radio/touch screen/sensors to make them better and squash bugs. How does old code mixed with new code react on the battery life? Better, worse, same? No one knows without the new code to compare.

Also, please don't take my post as being sarcastic/mean/beligerant. I'm trying to add emoji's to "emote" that.

 

[Stooby Mcdoobie]

I only brought this point up because this particular Nexus device was built by Motorola. It has unique and proprietary drivers and binaries, which hasn't been released (that I know of). So, there is no previous OS updates to pull code from prior to 5.0.x. And this is why I pointed out that it isn't really fair to say you are on 5.1.1, nor fair to judge battery life on a 'piecemeal' ROM.

Terminology may be an issue in our posts. In my view, if you are pulling a kernel from one place, binaries and drivers from another and then a ROM from yet another place to combine them all, it is a hackjob or piecemealed together. Even a ROM that is built on the newest AOSP release code, that then uses old binaries and a kernel from a previous build (because that code hasn't been released yet), even if it is specific to a particular phone/tablet, is still a hackjob IMO. I say this because code gets updated for the modem/radio/touch screen/sensors to make them better and squash bugs. How does old code mixed with new code react on the battery life? Better, worse, same? No one knows without the new code to compare.

I agree that it is unfair to say things along the lines of "battery life in 5.1.1 is so much better than 5.0" (which I believe was your original point above) when you're running a custom kernel and ROM, but I don't think there is anything wrong with saying that you're running the latest version of Android - because technically, it is.

I was talking about the OS itself - you were talking about the whole package, so I think we are on the same page now.

Re the drivers: Google does package them separately from its factory images; but, to your point, it's the same ones that go into the factory images so it will always be behind AOSP. So, yes, all Nexus 6 5.1.1 ROMs are currently running on 5.1.0 (or older) drivers.

https://developers.google.com/android/nexus/drivers

Also, please don't take my post as being sarcastic/mean/beligerant. I'm trying to add emoji's to "emote" that.

Not at all - it's only a discussion afterall.

 

[Tig Bitties]

Those are modified Nexus 7 (WiFi only, no LTE) ROM's with modified kernel's (or you are using another kernel). I wouldn't base battery life on a modified ROM taken from a WiFi build. It isn't really fair to say you are running 5.1.1, because it is a hacked build by some guy living in his mom's basement.

For all we know, the actual factory image for the Nexus 6 from Google could vastly improve everything. But we won't know until it actually arrives.

This rom is from AOSP source doesn't matter what the factory images are.

You don't need a factory image, android 5.1.1 (LMY47V) is a build that's in the aosp repository.

Depending on what device you own, some devices on the 5.1.1 change doesn't even have any changes made to the kernel. I don't remember the changelog but you can look it up, I believe the only one with kernel changes was manta (nexus 10).

Also, the Lte tablet devices use the same proprietary binaries as the wifi only. The only difference is the ril /data connection portion. If talking about aosp and non nexus then it's hacked, otherwise aosp and Nexus is perfectly compatible as nexus devices ( phones + tabs ) are supported by aosp.

 

[rugmankc]

@OP

Good old XDA, I still check in on occasion. $droyd$ is a good dev. Pretty sure I ran one of his roms on my One S. I was lucky to have the original S4, so no rooting issues and could run all the roms. You must have had a later model and stuck with Safestrap. No CyanogenMod--

I too used Nova a lot, liked the way it backed up my HomeScreens.

I just got tired of always rooting and dealing with the inevitable hiccups that went with it. Very happy with my 6+ and more free time--

Still miss the folks on XDA though and occasionally here from them on XDA and Twitter.

 

[Tig Bitties]

@OP

Good old XDA, I still check in on occasion. $droyd$ is a good dev. Pretty sure I ran one of his roms on my One S. I was lucky to have the original S4, so no rooting issues and could run all the roms. You must have had a later model and stuck with Safestrap. No CyanogenMod--

I too used Nova a lot, liked the way it backed up my HomeScreens.

I just got tired of always rooting and dealing with the inevitable hiccups that went with it. Very happy with my 6+ and more free time--

Still miss the folks on XDA though and occasionally here from them on XDA and Twitter.

LOL $droyd$

He makes IMO the best Nexus 6 ROM right now
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/rom-aosip-apr-10-t3078629

And yes when I had the Galaxy S4 on ATT it was after they locked it down, not even rooted.

 

[rugmankc]

LOL $droyd$

He makes IMO the best Nexus 6 ROM right now
http://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6/development/rom-aosip-apr-10-t3078629

And yes when I had the Galaxy S4 on ATT it was after they locked it down, not even rooted.

Yeah, an S4 not rooted is kinda boring and overly bloated--

 

[Tig Bitties]

Yeah, an S4 not rooted is kinda boring and overly bloated--

Yep, if I could have rooted it, and made the S4 a GPE phone, I would've loved it.

And the 6 Plus really is a nice phone, with amazing battery stamina. But for me, iOS8 just doesn't cut it, even Jailbreak isn't enough. I had the iPhone 6 Plus at the new year for a few months, but I just couldn't do iOS8, and came back to Android with the Nexus 6 last month.

 

[rugmankc]

My first rootable phone was the early Nexus One. Bought from Google when they first came out. Not the power houses of today. But, fun and a challenge to put the newer OSs on a 512mb ram phone. Had to actually adjust partition sizes to get some to work. I believe Ice Cream Sndwich was the one. Had the Tri-Color Trackball. #

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I thought I would miss the customization. But, I haven't. Guess because most of the family is on iPhone/Apple and I like the "EcoSystem". Just nice to have all the choices. #